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Your "Too Early" Bucs Big Board*

Postby Doctor » Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:53 pm

Eh, why the hell not. Don't worry, no one will hold you to what you say in December, we'll put an asterisk next to it. *

Who are the top ten players, in order, you hope the Bucs draft in the first?

1. Minkah Fitzpatrick, DB, Alabama- Corner or safety, I don't care this kid is a baller. The fact that this is a huge team need is a bonus.
2. Quenton Nelson, OG, Notre Dame- A guard this early? What if we're drafting #5 overall, Doc? I don't care. This guy is an elite as you can get. Plug and forget.
3. Saquon Barkley, RB, Penn State- Arguably even more blue chip than Gurley, Elliot, and Fournette. The workhorse RB has made it's return to the NFL and if you're still in RBBC denial, you better wake up.
4. Bradley Chubb, EDGE, N.C. State- While he isn't Elite, imo, he is as close as you get and the best DE in this class.
5. Derrius Guice, RB, LSU- Last year I had Cook just outside my top Elites, this year I have Guice, who (like Cook) I actually personally like better than the top RB.
6. Derwin James, S, Florida State- It really doesn't get any better than James, he's going to blow the doors off the Combine. He is all over the field and is a true stud. Though there are questions about his heart and motor.
7. Arden Key, DE/OLB, LSU- Some have him rated even higher then Chubb. When he's on he's the best pass rusher in this class.
8. Denzel Ward, CB, Ohio State- Ward isn't elite, but he has great tools that an DC would love to work with. Knows how to get his hands up and break up passes.
9. Da'Ron Payne, DT, Alabama- What, a DT? Yup. After selecting Marcus Stroud top 15 in 2001 Jags turned around and selected John Henderson top 10 the next year. Who was the DC? Mike Smith. Baker has been meh, turning 31, and can in fact be cut with no cap penalty. Or we can keep him on for a healthy rotation.
10. Christian Wilkins, DT, Clemson- For a lot of the same reasons listed for Payne. Lots of DT's to love in this draft, enough with these journeymen busts.
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Re: Your "Too Early" Bucs Big Board*

Postby DreadNaught » Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:17 pm

Bradley Chubb no matter what!!
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Re: Your "Too Early" Bucs Big Board*

Postby real bucs fan » Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:24 pm

Damn this is early, very hard to say since I haven't even looked at all the top guys yet. But to give it a shot:

1. Bradley Chubb, DE
2. Quenton Nelson, LG
3. Saquan Barkley, RB
4. Derrius Guice, RB
5. Minkah Fitzpatrick, CB
6. Arden Key, DE
7. Derwin James, S
8. Joshua Jackson, CB
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Re: Your "Too Early" Bucs Big Board*

Postby Cheb » Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:51 pm

DreadNaught wrote:Bradley Chubb no matter what!!


If only it were this easy.

Where's Kevin Costner when you need him?
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Re: Your "Too Early" Bucs Big Board*

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Re: Your "Too Early" Bucs Big Board*

Postby Cheb » Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:58 am

1) Bradley Chubb, DE, North Carolina State. He's the best player at our position of highest need. If teams at the top of the draft weren't so QB hungry, Chubb would be in contention for number 1 overall. He's got great film, good stats, high football and personal character, is healthy, productive against top competition, a team captain, consensus All-American, and possesses a large toolbox of rush moves that he can finish with. I mean, what else could you ask for, outside of Myles Garrett measurables? He immediately challenges for a starting position, and would offer quality pass rushing snaps for a defense that sorely needs them. I only can hope that other teams pass on him.

2) Minkah Fitzpatrick, Secondary, Alabama. He can run, cover, and tackle. He has great hands, is very consistent both snap-to-snap and game to game, has good stats, and was twice a consensus all-American. He doesn't make mistakes. He can play outside corner, safety, and nickle. He's a really, really good football player. Comparing him to last year's safeties, he's like Jabrill Peppers in his versatility and Jamal Adams in his physicality, but he's a better cover man than both. What's his home in the secondary? For me, I'd try him out at corner to match up on the other team's number one. Given that our current staff doesn't shift their coverage shell or get cute with their substitutions, I don't think that we would be creative enough to use his many talents, but I still think that we'd be better off for selecting him. Yes, I know that corner and safety aren't our biggest needs... but Minkah is just that good.

3) Quenton Nelson, Guard, Notre Dame. I ****ing love this guy. He is the best collegiate guard I've scouted in fifteen years of following the draft. He's powerful, has excellent technique, great feet, and can block on the move. When he gets his hands on you, you aren't making the play, period. I've heard it said that he would immediately be in the top ten NFL guards the minute he's drafted. It isn't hyperbole to say that his ceiling is Larry Allen. He's that good. Plug him in at left guard, and he would immediately kick some serious ass. I would not be surprised if he is an All-Pro as a rookie. Normally I wouldn't advocate that a guard be in the top 3, but this guy breaks the mold. Oh yeah, he also started every game at left tackle for Notre Dame last season, so he has positional versatility as well. If you love offensive line play, this guy's film is practically porn.

4) Arden Key, DE, LSU. He has his issues. He left the team for personal reasons this spring. He has injury problems, three injuries in the past year that have caused him to miss time. When he got injured, he gained alot of weight and had to trim down. His production this year was down from last year's excellent season. But when he's on, he is amazingly good. Indeed, if he were healthy, and replicated his season last year, I would have no hesitation putting him at number 1 on my big board. Arden Key has plenty of risks to him, but I think that his potential is so high that you just have to take the risk. I know you shouldn't draft for need, but we have a powerful need for pass rushers, and Key has the potential to be great if he can stay healthy and be a professional.

That's my big board right now. As of today, we pick seventh, and my board is just four names long. For one of them to be left over at seven, we would need at least three quarterbacks and/or Saquons to go ahead of our selection. I'm hoping that someone above us is desperate for quarterback or running back help. However, there is a distinct possibility that none of my top four guys are there when we pick. In that case, I don't know who I would put at number 5 on my big board.

I'm just hoping for any of those four.
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Re: Your "Too Early" Bucs Big Board*

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:08 am

I'll give my top positionals, that's the best I can do right now.

QB- Baker Mayfield. Oklahoma
RB- Saquan Barkley, Penn State
WR- James Washington, Oklahoma State
TE- Mark Andrews, Oklahoma
OT- Orlando Brown Jr. Oklahoma
OG- Quentin Nelson, Notre Dame
OC- Billy Price, Ohio state

DE- Bradley Chubb, NC State
DT- Maurice Hearst, Michigan
ILB- Josey Jewell, Iowa
OLB- Roquan Smith, Georgia
S- Minkah Fitzpatrick, Alabama
CB- Josh Jackson, Iowa

I know there's no big surprises here, but that's what I got.
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Re: Your "Too Early" Bucs Big Board*

Postby DreadNaught » Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:33 am

I've been watching a bit of Nelson and he is certainly a beast of a LG. I wouldn't hate the pick but I really don't see how we pass on Chubb or Key given the state of our pass rush.

I think this will be good class for Oline with some good options in rounds 2-3.
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Re: Your "Too Early" Bucs Big Board*

Postby real bucs fan » Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:44 am

real bucs fan wrote:Damn this is early, very hard to say since I haven't even looked at all the top guys yet. But to give it a shot:

1. Bradley Chubb, DE
2. Quenton Nelson, LG
3. Saquan Barkley, RB
4. Derrius Guice, RB
5. Minkah Fitzpatrick, CB
6. Arden Key, DE
7. Derwin James, S
8. Joshua Jackson, CB

Those are my top 8, but taking position into account from a Bucs perspective, I think I'd currently put it

1. Chubb
2. Key
3. Barkley
4. Nelson
5. Guice
6. Fitzpatrick
7. James
8. Jackson
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Re: Your "Too Early" Bucs Big Board*

Postby Truck-a-Saurus » Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:05 am

Bradley Chubb - I don't think he has Key's upside, but he is a complete DE that could provide good-to-very-good production for years to come at our biggest position of need. I also don't think he's at Bosa's level, let alone Garrett's, so there's a decent chance he's on the board assuming we pick in the neighborhood of #5. I don't think he's the best prospect of 2018, but sheer need puts him at the top. It also doesn't help that everyone behind him is a complete crapshoot, and anyone we take in rounds 2 or beyond may end up being a complete waste of a draft pick. But make no mistake: even if need wasn't the prime factor, he'd be well worth a top 10 pick.

Quenton Nelson - The LG position has been actual hot garbage this year, and Nelson is one of the few prospects head-and-shoulders above the others at his position. Drafting a guard so high seems out of place, but if you can get a blue chip guy at a position of need (not K or P, Licht!), you take them no matter the Jimmy Johnson Arbitrary Number Value.

Minkah Fitzpatrick - Whether he ends up at CB or S, he's a straight upgrade to any DB we have. Whoever is running this defense next year, so long as they aren't a former Atlanta HC, will be very, very happy to have him in the backfield. I think there's little chance he's on the board, though, because a lot of other DCs who are also not Mike Smith will feel the same way.

Saquon Barkley - As bad as the line has been at times, it does bear mentioning that anyone not named Doug Martin has actually looked quite good behind it at times this year, even as injuries mount up and 3rd-string guys take the field. Peyton Barber is a fine complimentary back, but the NFL is seesawing away from RB by committee, and Barkley is at least in the conversation with guys like Gurley and Zeke as a prospect. That said, there are plenty of guys in the next couple rounds that could carry the load, and might end up being a far better value.

Derwin James - Phenomenal athlete, good football player. He and Evans could make for a really fearsome safety tandem with range for days, ability to man cover, and take on the running game head on and make stops. Even though he hasn't quite lived up to all the expectations following his freshman season, I'd have no problem with him being the pick here.

Connor Williams - I'm not sure what to think about Donovan Smith, but I know I don't think he's an elite LT in the NFL. Williams has a strong chance to be one, and that alone makes him at least worth thinking about when the Bucs are on the clock. Theoretically, this pick could both improve the LT position and fix the LG spot by sliding Smith over.

Vita Vea - This is probably way too high for him, right? **** that noise, a 6-6 340 pound monster in the middle of the D is nothing but a good thing for this team, or any team, really. It's not like he's strictly a runstuffing 0-tech, either. He can push the pocket and put pressure on the QB, and it would be something to see opposing offenses have to choose which freak of nature they're going to give a one-on-one matchup to, with only a couple steps between their franchise QB and certain doom. If you love Gerald McCoy (and hate Cam Newton, Drew Brees, and Matt Ryan) this is the surprise top-5 pick for you.
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Re: Your "Too Early" Bucs Big Board*

Postby Naismith » Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:22 pm

I don't watch college football so I don't know enough to make a big board yet but I'll just bump this from last year...

Naismith wrote:Unless [fill in player name] can rush the passer or protect Jameis, he definitely doesn't fill our biggest need. Not even close.
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Re: Your "Too Early" Bucs Big Board*

Postby Doctor » Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:44 pm

Naismith wrote:I don't watch college football so I don't know enough to make a big board yet but I'll just bump this from last year...

Naismith wrote:Unless [fill in player name] can rush the passer or protect Jameis, he definitely doesn't fill our biggest need. Not even close.

Lucky for us JL doesn't draft for need.
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Re: Your "Too Early" Bucs Big Board*

Postby bahamian:bucfan » Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:59 pm

I do not follow college football that closely so I do not know much about prospects.

In saying that, is Quenton Nelson, OG, Notre Dame as good as advertised?

Do you guys think that he can be as good as Carl Nicks was for us?

Nicks only played maybe 4 games for us 110% healthy, but my God what he did in that short time he played fully healthy was beyond words. I am 210% certain that if Nicks did not get injured; the entire complexity of this team would be different. Nicks was that transcending imho!

So again I ask, do you guys think Quenton Nelson can be as good as Carl Nicks was?

If the answer is yes, and he is graded higher that the edge rushers; then we need to draft him.
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Re: Your "Too Early" Bucs Big Board*

Postby Cheb » Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:42 pm

bahamian:bucfan wrote:I do not follow college football that closely so I do not know much about prospects.

In saying that, is Quenton Nelson, OG, Notre Dame as good as advertised?

Do you guys think that he can be as good as Carl Nicks was for us?

Nicks only played maybe 4 games for us 110% healthy, but my God what he did in that short time he played fully healthy was beyond words. I am 210% certain that if Nicks did not get injured; the entire complexity of this team would be different. Nicks was that transcending imho!

So again I ask, do you guys think Quenton Nelson can be as good as Carl Nicks was?

If the answer is yes, and he is graded higher that the edge rushers; then we need to draft him.


Nelson absolutely can be as good as Nicks. Maybe even better.

Whether or not he's better than Chubb or Key is debatable.
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Re: Your "Too Early" Bucs Big Board*

Postby MJW » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:13 am

Quick and Informal Top Seven:

1) Courtland Sutton. Nope, doesn't fit a need at all. Don't care. The Vikings had Chris Carter and Jake Reed when they drafted Randy Moss. The Cardinals had Anquan Boldin and Bryant Johnson when they drafted Larry Fitzgerald. Needs change over time. Talent does not. Sutton isn't quite as explosive as Moss - nobody is. But his size, hands, body control, awareness, hops...he's a 1,500 yard receiver in the NFL. And he's EXACTLY the kind of threat Winston needs (as Mike Evans continually reminds us.)

That said, I think he'll run poorly in shorts, so he might actually be there for us, which he really shouldn't be.

2) Bradley Chubb. The fact he's this high is a testament to how much I don't love our options. After watching him more recently, I do think he's going to be an very good NFL end, but I think it's going to be more in the mold of Justin Smith (of the Bengals and 49ers) instead of Myles Garrett. And I loved Smith. He played the run like a madman and could get to the passer from time to time, too. He posted ten seasons of 6+ sacks, but topped out at 8.5. I think that's the kind of career Chubb has. Lotta games. Lotta hustle. Lotta tackles. Not a butt-ton of sacks for a top ten end.

3) Denzel Ward. I'll defer to our Ohio State folks, but he's impressed the heck out of me every time I've seen him play. By every indication, he's a shutdown corner and there's no reason he can't have the same impact that Marshon Lattimore did in New Orleans this season.

4) Connor Williams. His medical will be important, but I think he's an actual excellent left tackle, not a guard playing left tackle (cough.) I take him over the overhyped Mike McGlinchey or the oversized Orlando Brown Jr. in a heartbeat.

5) Kolton Miller. Just watch Josh Rosen highlights, and keep track of what Miller's doing. That's all the convincing you should need. He's also a plus run blocker.

6) Arden Key. Ugh, SO MANY QUESTIONS. And so much talent. In a better class, I wouldn't want to take him in the Top Ten. But like I said, this isn't a great class for our needs. So, you roll the dice.

7) Minkah Fitzpatrick. I absolutely hate the idea of drafting an Alabama defender. For every one that works out, there are two or three that don't because Nick Saban makes them look better than they really are. That doesn't mean Fitzpatrick won't make good, of course. At 6'1 205 with cornerback skills and safety aggressiveness, it's another risk worth taking.
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Re: Your "Too Early" Bucs Big Board*

Postby real bucs fan » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:26 am

I like that you aren't afraid to form your opinions, but I'd be genuinely pissed with a bunch of those names.

MJW wrote:Quick and Informal Top Seven:

1) Courtland Sutton. Nope, doesn't fit a need at all. Don't care. The Vikings had Chris Carter and Jake Reed when they drafted Randy Moss. The Cardinals had Anquan Boldin and Bryant Johnson when they drafted Larry Fitzgerald. Needs change over time. Talent does not. Sutton isn't quite as explosive as Moss - nobody is. But his size, hands, body control, awareness, hops...he's a 1,500 yard receiver in the NFL. And he's EXACTLY the kind of threat Winston needs (as Mike Evans continually reminds us.)

That said, I think he'll run poorly in shorts, so he might actually be there for us, which he really shouldn't be.

I know you've been hyping Sutton for a while, but I don't really see it. Sure he's a good big bodied WR, but he's a poor mans Mike Evans. Guess what? We have the actual Mike Evans! And another weapon for Winston is pretty much the last of our needs, and we almost have too many weapons already. Jameis is confused out there!

2) Bradley Chubb. The fact he's this high is a testament to how much I don't love our options. After watching him more recently, I do think he's going to be an very good NFL end, but I think it's going to be more in the mold of Justin Smith (of the Bengals and 49ers) instead of Myles Garrett. And I loved Smith. He played the run like a madman and could get to the passer from time to time, too. He posted ten seasons of 6+ sacks, but topped out at 8.5. I think that's the kind of career Chubb has. Lotta games. Lotta hustle. Lotta tackles. Not a butt-ton of sacks for a top ten end.


My #1 player in the draft for us.

3) Denzel Ward. I'll defer to our Ohio State folks, but he's impressed the heck out of me every time I've seen him play. By every indication, he's a shutdown corner and there's no reason he can't have the same impact that Marshon Lattimore did in New Orleans this season.


If Ward proves to be a blue chip CB prospect, I'd be okay with this. Sucks he's a short corner considering the VHIII pick and our division, but if he can ball, he can ball.
4) Connor Williams. His medical will be important, but I think he's an actual excellent left tackle, not a guard playing left tackle (cough.) I take him over the overhyped Mike McGlinchey or the oversized Orlando Brown Jr. in a heartbeat.


I could see Williams rise, and if he proves to be a blue chip LT, again, I'd be down. That said, I really think you need to just accept Smith is our guy, and we're fine with him there.

5) Kolton Miller. Just watch Josh Rosen highlights, and keep track of what Miller's doing. That's all the convincing you should need. He's also a plus run blocker.


I legit had to google this name. No opinion on the guy, but again, just accept Smith is the LT and you'll be happier.
6) Arden Key. Ugh, SO MANY QUESTIONS. And so much talent. In a better class, I wouldn't want to take him in the Top Ten. But like I said, this isn't a great class for our needs. So, you roll the dice.


If Chubbs off the board, Key is our last chance at finding an impact Day 1 RE in this draft IMO. So if he's close to BPA, you take him.

7) Minkah Fitzpatrick. I absolutely hate the idea of drafting an Alabama defender. For every one that works out, there are two or three that don't because Nick Saban makes them look better than they really are. That doesn't mean Fitzpatrick won't make good, of course. At 6'1 205 with cornerback skills and safety aggressiveness, it's another risk worth taking.

Fitzpatrick is a heck of player, I just don't know where you play him and how much he helps this football team.

Ultimately if the player isn't helping our run game or our pass rush... tough to take him in round 1.
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Re: Your "Too Early" Bucs Big Board*

Postby Doctor » Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:32 pm

So anyone reform their big board now that we're getting closer to the day? Your "not too early" board?
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Re: Your "Too Early" Bucs Big Board*

Postby real bucs fan » Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:29 pm

real bucs fan wrote:Damn this is early, very hard to say since I haven't even looked at all the top guys yet. But to give it a shot:

1. Bradley Chubb, DE
2. Quenton Nelson, LG
3. Saquan Barkley, RB
4. Derrius Guice, RB
5. Minkah Fitzpatrick, CB
6. Arden Key, DE
7. Derwin James, S
8. Joshua Jackson, CB

My top 3 is the same, though I'd have Barkley over Nelson now. Heck I'd have Barkley over Chubb, but you just can't find edge rushers outside of the first. The LSU guys have fallen out, and so has has Jackson who needed to have big combine to fully earn that spot.

Right now I have, in alphabetical order since I haven't quite settled it:

Tier 1:
Barkley
Chubb
Nelson

Tier 2:
Davenport
Fitz
James

Still working on identifying the 7th guy though I don't forsee that player being BPA regardless.

Right now I'm very much warming up to the idea of taking James at 7. He and Evans could be an elite pairing at safety for a decade.
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Re: Your "Too Early" Bucs Big Board*

Postby DreadNaught » Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:40 pm

real bucs fan wrote:My top 3 is the same, though I'd have Barkley #1. Heck I'd have Barkley over Barkley, but you just can't find Barkley outside of the first. The non-Barkley guys have fallen out, and so has has anybody not named Barkley who needed to have big combine to fully earn that spot.

Right now I have, in alphabetical order since I haven't quite settled it:

Tier 1:
Barkley
Barkley
Barkley

Tier 2:
Barkley
Barkley
Barkley

Still working on identifying the 7th guy though I don't forsee that player being BPA regardless. Prolly go Barkley tho. :D

P.S. - Barkley Rulz!!!


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Re: Your "Too Early" Bucs Big Board*

Postby real bucs fan » Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:45 pm

DreadNaught wrote:
real bucs fan wrote:My top 3 is the same, though I'd have Barkley #1. Heck I'd have Barkley over Barkley, but you just can't find Barkley outside of the first. The non-Barkley guys have fallen out, and so has has anybody not named Barkley who needed to have big combine to fully earn that spot.

Right now I have, in alphabetical order since I haven't quite settled it:

Tier 1:
Barkley
Barkley
Barkley

Tier 2:
Barkley
Barkley
Barkley

Still working on identifying the 7th guy though I don't forsee that player being BPA regardless. Prolly go Barkley tho. :D

P.S. - Barkley Rulz!!!


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Re: Your "Too Early" Bucs Big Board*

Postby terrytate » Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:23 pm

real bucs fan wrote:
DreadNaught wrote:
BARKLEY


barkley



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Well, hes big and mean, but might be a bit long in the tooth.
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Re: Your "Too Early" Bucs Big Board*

Postby Naismith » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:42 pm

1. Chubb
2. Vea
3. Nelson

My top option would be to trade back and acquire more picks.
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Re: Your "Too Early" Bucs Big Board*

Postby Bootz2004 » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:52 pm

1. James
2. Nelson
3. Barkley
4. Fitzpatrick
5. Ward
6. Chubb
7. Key
8. Roquan Smith
9. Vea
10. Sutton
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Re: Your "Too Early" Bucs Big Board*

Postby Super K » Fri Mar 16, 2018 5:03 am

I'm not too far off from Naismith...

1. Nelson
2. Vea
3. Chubb


Yes, Vea is now my #2 guy, the "great Chubb" has fallen from the top spot...

Change is in the air...our drafting Chubb is our attempt to stay the same, replicate our past 4 man line success...pray that Chubb is Simeon Rice because we want him to be and NEED him to he because we have no other 4-3 ends worth a ****ing ****...

Not me..those days are over..draft Vea and grab tweeners to terrorize on the outside..
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Re: Your "Too Early" Bucs Big Board*

Postby uscbucsfan » Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:07 am

Super K wrote:I'm not too far off from Naismith...

1. Nelson
2. Vea
3. Chubb


Yes, Vea is now my #2 guy, the "great Chubb" has fallen from the top spot...

Change is in the air...our drafting Chubb is our attempt to stay the same, replicate our past 4 man line success...pray that Chubb is Simeon Rice because we want him to be and NEED him to he because we have no other 4-3 ends worth a ****ing ****...

Not me..those days are over..draft Vea and grab tweeners to terrorize on the outside..


No way would we take Vea over Chubb. I don't know why you are so convinced we are switching to a 3-4.
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Re: Your "Too Early" Bucs Big Board*

Postby Super K » Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:51 am

uscbucsfan wrote:
Super K wrote:I'm not too far off from Naismith...

1. Nelson
2. Vea
3. Chubb


Yes, Vea is now my #2 guy, the "great Chubb" has fallen from the top spot...

Change is in the air...our drafting Chubb is our attempt to stay the same, replicate our past 4 man line success...pray that Chubb is Simeon Rice because we want him to be and NEED him to he because we have no other 4-3 ends worth a ****ing ****...

Not me..those days are over..draft Vea and grab tweeners to terrorize on the outside..


No way would we take Vea over Chubb. I don't know why you are so convinced we are switching to a 3-4.


Well, I mean to honest answer is I want us to (switch to a 3-4) and think we should...

Thus any move made or rumor heard that can be spun that way, I will spin accordingly...

What I will say is, Mike Smith has said/mentioned that he wants to be more versatile and show more 3-4 stuff...

Our new DL coach is very, VERY experienced running a unit that, while they would use a 4-3 look when needed, heavily applied 3-4 concepts..

I wouldn't be surprised if our old DL coach was let go because of his aversion to running 3-4 looks (he was a staple 4-3 guy from Cincy if you remember)...

So we have the general, we have the Sergeant, we just need to add the soldiers...
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Re: Your "Too Early" Bucs Big Board*

Postby theBKwhopper » Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:31 am

Bootz2004 wrote:1. James
2. Nelson
3. Barkley
4. Fitzpatrick
5. Ward
6. Chubb
7. Key
8. Roquan Smith
9. Vea
10. Sutton

What made James your top guy?
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Re: Your "Too Early" Bucs Big Board*

Postby Bootz2004 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:38 am

theBKwhopper wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:1. James
2. Nelson
3. Barkley
4. Fitzpatrick
5. Ward
6. Chubb
7. Key
8. Roquan Smith
9. Vea
10. Sutton

What made James your top guy?


His tape along with his upside and the fit to our defense. The talent is very evident on film. As are his flaws which is a good thing. You can see what he needs to work on. Those flaws can be corrected. Overall I think you're looking at a guy that can help out at all 3 levels and against the pass and run.
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Re: Your "Too Early" Bucs Big Board*

Postby sonofg » Fri Mar 16, 2018 3:43 pm

Bootz2004 wrote:
theBKwhopper wrote:What made James your top guy?


His tape along with his upside and the fit to our defense. The talent is very evident on film. As are his flaws which is a good thing. You can see what he needs to work on. Those flaws can be corrected. Overall I think you're looking at a guy that can help out at all 3 levels and against the pass and run.


I've heard and read that James should be a "culture changer". Anyone have any insight on this? Although safety might not be a value pick at 7, it could easily be worth it if he comes with the added bonus of elevating the play of the rest of the unit.
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Re: Your "Too Early" Bucs Big Board*

Postby BucaRican » Fri Mar 16, 2018 4:01 pm

1)Barkley
2)Bradley Chubb
3)Quenton Nelson
4)Minkah Fitzpatrick
5)Derwin James
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