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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby Super K » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:24 pm

real bucs fan wrote:The things that scare me about Freeman are the amount of punishment he's taken already, and the fact he's a big physical back, and I already like Peyton Barber in that role. I want to add a guy who brings some juice to our backfield.

Mayock released his top 5 RBs post combine, and he's got essentially the same list as me:

1. Barkley
2. Guice
3. Michel
4. Jones
T-5. Penny
T-5. Chubb

Really hoping for 1 of those guys.



Out of that list above my favorites re #2 and #4....

Barkely, while super skilled, will cost WAY too much of a premium pick...
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby mdb1958 » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:54 pm

What I notice about this whole running back draft is they all fumble the ball.
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby mdb1958 » Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:07 pm

I'd like to talk about this rugby player, Jordan Mailata is 6'8" 345 and man can that big sucker run. He just doesnt stop churning those legs. This got me to thinking that while he is learning a position we could actually start a trend with him and incorporate a little rugby into the NFL. We have already started a trend in the NFL where offensive linemen push the pile towards the end of the play. That is exactly how this guy could be used.

If he was to make it to the 2nd level, this guy would punish defenses.
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby Truck-a-Saurus » Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:27 pm

With a 5 second 40? No. Keep him in the OL thread - as unlikely as he already is to make an NFL roster, it's not going to be at running back. The video of him running over 180 lb dudes is not a good indicator of what the NFL will be for him.
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby mdb1958 » Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:58 pm

Average weight of NFL rosters is under 250 lbs, this guy would be close to the biggest guy in the league. He can just push the 300 pounder in front of him till more 300 pounders get behind him and push.

Instead of pushing a 200 lb RB we push a 350 lb running back! He breaks free and drags a linebacker and 2 DB's for 20 yards.
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:22 am

I'm sure his 40 yard dash is measured in calories.
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby mdb1958 » Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:27 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:I'm sure his 40 yard dash is measured in calories.


When another team does this, everyone in here will line up like they were interested all along



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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby beardmcdoug » Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:20 am

mdb1958 wrote:I'd like to talk about this rugby player, Jordan Mailata is 6'8" 345 and man can that big sucker run. He just doesnt stop churning those legs. This got me to thinking that while he is learning a position we could actually start a trend with him and incorporate a little rugby into the NFL. We have already started a trend in the NFL where offensive linemen push the pile towards the end of the play. That is exactly how this guy could be used.

If he was to make it to the 2nd level, this guy would punish defenses.


kids got fuckin terrible vision and doesn't know how to lower a shoulder. would bomb as an RB

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/0ap3000000920697/Jordan-Mailata-rugby-highlights
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby mdb1958 » Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:43 am

Hasnt needed to as of yet!


Lower a shoulder***
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby mdb1958 » Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:55 am

This year

First and goal

Ox plow --------------------------- bank on it...
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby Truck-a-Saurus » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:01 pm

The important question is, will he rotate in with the guards between carries to keep them fresh?

I can't even see him having the success of a Dontari Poe as a goal line back, because at least Poe has the decency to conserve his considerable mass into the shape of a bowling ball - and he actually knows how to keep his center of gravity low when he's pushing for the goal line. Again, this kid looks amazing running over regional league players when they try to wrap him up around the shoulders. That's not who he'll be facing in the NFL, and that's not how they'll be trying to tackle him. They'll have pads, they'll be hurling themselves like heat seeking missiles at his waist, and he's not going to have 15 yards to loop around and get up to speed.

Now having said that, Nick Foles caught a touchdown pass. He will never be used as a primary receiver on the goal line or anywhere else, but can he pull off a trick play every now and then? Sure. Could this kid, if he makes it onto a roster for his potential at another position, pull off a play like that once or twice a year? Sure, why not? Maybe he supermans it over the goal line, or he actually learns how to run low and punches one in. But unless we want to post about every DT, OT, OG, and C in this years draft that could be used for a goal line trick play...

Ok, wait. Wait.

MDB: Do not do that. Forget I said it. Ok?

NO.
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby Jason Bourne » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:02 pm

Derrius Guice has a private workout today with the Bucs
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby Doctor » Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:13 pm

real bucs fan wrote:The things that scare me about Freeman are the amount of punishment he's taken already, and the fact he's a big physical back, and I already like Peyton Barber in that role. I want to add a guy who brings some juice to our backfield.

Mayock released his top 5 RBs post combine, and he's got essentially the same list as me:

1. Barkley
2. Guice
3. Michel
4. Jones
T-5. Penny
T-5. Chubb

Really hoping for 1 of those guys.

Pretty much my list as well. I doubt we get a shot at #1, but if we can land #2 or #3, I'd be just as happy.
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby Phantom Phenom » Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:15 pm

Doctor wrote:
real bucs fan wrote:The things that scare me about Freeman are the amount of punishment he's taken already, and the fact he's a big physical back, and I already like Peyton Barber in that role. I want to add a guy who brings some juice to our backfield.

Mayock released his top 5 RBs post combine, and he's got essentially the same list as me:

1. Barkley
2. Guice
3. Michel
4. Jones
T-5. Penny
T-5. Chubb

Really hoping for 1 of those guys.

Pretty much my list as well. I doubt we get a shot at #1, but if we can land #2 or #3, I'd be just as happy.


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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby Deja Entendu » Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:37 pm

The more I look at the backs this year, the more I hope Guice ends up here.
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby MJW » Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:48 pm

Deja Entendu wrote:The more I look at the backs this year, the more I hope Guice ends up here.


My feelings on drafting a back not withstanding...the guy is going to be a great NFL running back. Great. Multiple rushing titles great.
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby mdb1958 » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:47 pm

Has anybody read anything about what they thought Ronald Jones could have run for the forty?
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby terrytate » Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:18 pm

MJW wrote:
Deja Entendu wrote:The more I look at the backs this year, the more I hope Guice ends up here.


My feelings on drafting a back not withstanding...the guy is going to be a great NFL running back. Great. Multiple rushing titles great.



I like Guice too. Him and Barkley are a clear separate tier from everyone else. There are several backs I would like to see runnijng for us, but none of them look like the 4 down, do everything in the playbook types the Guice and Barkley are.
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby mdb1958 » Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:23 pm

terrytate wrote:
MJW wrote:
My feelings on drafting a back not withstanding...the guy is going to be a great NFL running back. Great. Multiple rushing titles great.



I like Guice too. Him and Barkley are a clear separate tier from everyone else. There are several backs I would like to see runnijng for us, but none of them look like the 4 down, do everything in the playbook types the Guice and Barkley are.



Are you talking about how good he will look in another teams uniform or do you wish we pick him with our first pick.
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby ComingThisFall » Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:19 pm

I keep on seeing/hearing Barkley is falling down draft boards. He could be our OJ Howard this year.

And I gotta say I’m not sure how I feel about that.

We still need so much more talent on the defensive line that it might just be better to let him kerp falling and go with defense instead.
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby real bucs fan » Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:53 pm

mdb1958 wrote:Has anybody read anything about what they thought Ronald Jones could have run for the forty?

If I were to guess... I'd say he'd run it around 4.47. He was flying pretty good at the combine before he pulled up lame. Don't think he's a top 50 guy at this point though. If he were to fall to our 3rd, and we hadn't selected an RB yet, I think he'd be a nice fit here. Perhaps he's not a bellcow, but he'd be a nice complement to Barber IMO.
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby Cheb » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:35 pm

ComingThisFall wrote:I keep on seeing/hearing Barkley is falling down draft boards. He could be our OJ Howard this year.

And I gotta say I’m not sure how I feel about that.

We still need so much more talent on the defensive line that it might just be better to let him kerp falling and go with defense instead.


If Barkley is there, it's safe to say that Chubb is gone, probably the same with Nelson. And if Chubb and Nelson are gone, then he'd be a fine selection. Barkley could be a true three-down threat for us. I'd rather the Bucs select him at seven in that scenario than do something stupid like reach for Landry or Davenport because of positional need. Take the dude who is the obvious BPA.
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby MJW » Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:42 pm

FWIW, I would bet serious money on the Bucs drafting a RB on days one or two. Right now, the only backs on the roster are Barber, Rodgers, and some kid who played at New Hamphshire.

Please note this for posterity: I think there's a VERY strong chance the Bucs pull a 2012 and deal up from the 2nd round for a back in the late first. Guice if he falls, or Michel, or possibly Jones.
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby Naismith » Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:47 pm

MJW wrote:FWIW, I would bet serious money on the Bucs drafting a RB on days one or two.


Unfortunately I think you're right and it's going to be at pick seven.
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby mdb1958 » Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:28 am

Naismith wrote:
MJW wrote:FWIW, I would bet serious money on the Bucs drafting a RB on days one or two.


Unfortunately I think you're right and it's going to be at pick seven.


RBF will be running around like an undocumented national hero! He wont understand its to sell tickets.
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby MJW » Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:32 am

Naismith wrote:
MJW wrote:FWIW, I would bet serious money on the Bucs drafting a RB on days one or two.


Unfortunately I think you're right and it's going to be at pick seven.


It would be both the best way to immediately help Licht/Dirk's chances of surviving 2018, and it would make absolutely no sense in terms of improving our team for the long-term. Which is to say, I fear you're right.

I will cheer when someone ahead of us drafts Barkley and takes that option out of their hands.
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby Deuce » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:32 am

MJW wrote:FWIW, I would bet serious money on the Bucs drafting a RB on days one or two. Right now, the only backs on the roster are Barber, Rodgers, and some kid who played at New Hamphshire.

Please note this for posterity: I think there's a VERY strong chance the Bucs pull a 2012 and deal up from the 2nd round for a back in the late first. Guice if he falls, or Michel, or possibly Jones.


Yeah, the fact that we didn't sign anyone seems to be telling. I know FA isn't over but to have only Barber and Quizz and not even resign Sims, I think we're going RB.
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby real bucs fan » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:29 am

mdb1958 wrote:
Naismith wrote:
Unfortunately I think you're right and it's going to be at pick seven.


RBF will be running around like an undocumented national hero! He wont understand its to sell tickets.

Unless Barkley fell, no way. I'd rather Penny/Michel in round 2 than Guice at 7.
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:49 am

real bucs fan wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:
RBF will be running around like an undocumented national hero! He wont understand its to sell tickets.

Unless Barkley fell, no way. I'd rather Penny/Michel in round 2 than Guice at 7.

Guice is a better prospect than Penny and Michel and I DIG Penny and Michel.
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby real bucs fan » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:57 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
real bucs fan wrote:Unless Barkley fell, no way. I'd rather Penny/Michel in round 2 than Guice at 7.

Guice is a better prospect than Penny and Michel and I DIG Penny and Michel.

Yes, but I'd prefer the value of Penny/Michel round 2 than reaching for Guice at 7.

We could take Ward at 7, and then a RB in round 2 whereas getting a top flight corner in the 2nd seems unlikely.
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