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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby Kress » Fri Jan 05, 2018 8:14 am

Having watched every Clemson game this year, no on Ferrell unless for some reason he's hanging around in the later rounds. He plays high, and has no burst to speak of. He is a decent end, but not any sort of elite rusher. He's a backup rotational guy, in my opinion.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby mdb1958 » Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:22 am

Tyquan Lewis, getting zero hype from Buczone! What are the negatives?
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby mdb1958 » Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:23 am

Same with Jaylon Ferguson!
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby Air-Buc-Pirate » Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:09 am

mdb1958 wrote:Same with Jaylon Ferguson!


I'd be cool with that.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby LavonteDavid54 » Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:16 pm

Do most of you guys think Marpet is best suited at center? Just curious what we could do if a pretty good center was available , say top center in the draft is there early 2nd in which we could take him and move Ali back to guard.Thats another option to bolster the guard play as well. Especially with some of his snaps from shotgun. He built his stock n garnered a look as an early find at guard .He graded pretty good at guard as well. I know why we made the move, but it doesn't mean we need to stay in that box of thinking if a top notch center was to come along.Just looking at scenarios in case we miss on Chubb don't grab Nelson and draft a DE other than Chubb chasing need instead of value. Passing on the two top secondary guys in Fitzpatrick or Derwin James.I only say this because I don't need my 10th DE in 10 yrs who can't rush a passer never panning out, meanwhile the two secondary guys are studs on other teams n Nelson is somewhere else. Atleast grabbing the top center or #2 center n moving Ali is a maneuver we shouldn't over look. Rather have combo of 1,2 center in draft + Marpet over Marpet and 6th best guard ( 4,5th rounder).If Chubb is gone I'm good with Nelson but that leaves us needing pass d help all over again n a nice RB to make Nelson that much more of a value.We need FA for one of our needs , there's no way around it.Not just some " filler" who also is overpriced.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby mdb1958 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:58 am

Is the value of Harold Landry getting lost as a 3rd rushing specialist? Who else do you have that might fit that bill
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby Brazen331 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:41 pm

LavonteDavid54 wrote:Do most of you guys think Marpet is best suited at center? Just curious what we could do if a pretty good center was available , say top center in the draft is there early 2nd in which we could take him and move Ali back to guard.Thats another option to bolster the guard play as well. Especially with some of his snaps from shotgun. He built his stock n garnered a look as an early find at guard .He graded pretty good at guard as well. I know why we made the move, but it doesn't mean we need to stay in that box of thinking if a top notch center was to come along.Just looking at scenarios in case we miss on Chubb don't grab Nelson and draft a DE other than Chubb chasing need instead of value. Passing on the two top secondary guys in Fitzpatrick or Derwin James.I only say this because I don't need my 10th DE in 10 yrs who can't rush a passer never panning out, meanwhile the two secondary guys are studs on other teams n Nelson is somewhere else. Atleast grabbing the top center or #2 center n moving Ali is a maneuver we shouldn't over look. Rather have combo of 1,2 center in draft + Marpet over Marpet and 6th best guard ( 4,5th rounder).If Chubb is gone I'm good with Nelson but that leaves us needing pass d help all over again n a nice RB to make Nelson that much more of a value.We need FA for one of our needs , there's no way around it.Not just some " filler" who also is overpriced.


I was thinking if Chubb does not end up being the best DE in the class, who will claim that mantle? The most likely candidate IMO is Taven Bryan. Maybe not the best all-around pass rusher but he is pretty damn solid vs. run and pass and is very versatile, a guy you can move about the line.

So I'm down with Nelson, James or Fitzpatrick at 7 then a trade up back into the 1st to get Bryan similar to what we did with Doug Martin cuz he ain't falling to us in the 2nd. Not a popular move probably, but if we end day 1 with say Fitzpatrick and Bryan that would be quite a score. You get 2 young studs that you can plug right in to where we're currently playing the aging Grimes and Ayers.

I really, really love Bryan and I'm a Nole. I think he would be a perfect compliment to Spence; he can hold the edge and you can move him inside to rush on 3rd down and do pretty much all the things that Ayers is really no longer capable of doing all that well.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby mdb1958 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:26 pm

Can Ogbonnia Okoronkwo be a DE?
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby real bucs fan » Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:19 pm

mdb1958 wrote:Can Ogbonnia Okoronkwo be a DE?

Naw he's an LB through and through. Makes Spence look like Strahan
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby Jason Bourne » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:14 pm

Key could slide on draft day ...

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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby real bucs fan » Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:40 pm

I thought Key would have to have a flawless offseason in order to be worthy of a top 7 pick... doesn't look like he's off to a great start.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby Jason Bourne » Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:21 am

Keep an eye on this guy at the Senior Bowl , if he last until the 2nd , we need to draft this guy

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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby Jason Bourne » Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:24 am

DreadNaught wrote:Marcus Davenport - UTSA

I think this guy will have alot of hype come Feb-Mar and see his value increase on draft boards. Small school prospect, but NFL size and athleticism.


Yep this , he is going to impress at the senior bowl
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby mdb1958 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:31 am

Jason Bourne wrote:
DreadNaught wrote:Marcus Davenport - UTSA

I think this guy will have alot of hype come Feb-Mar and see his value increase on draft boards. Small school prospect, but NFL size and athleticism.


Yep this , he is going to impress at the senior bowl


He'd have to be our first pick, dont think he will be around at thirty eight. I dont look down into the far reaches of the draft for nothing, its always looking for a player we can get because the one I wanted got picked by someone else. Its either that or DWO.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby Jason Bourne » Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:48 am

mdb1958 wrote:
Jason Bourne wrote:
Yep this , he is going to impress at the senior bowl


He'd have to be our first pick, dont think he will be around at thirty eight. I dont look down into the far reaches of the draft for nothing, its always looking for a player we can get because the one I wanted got picked by someone else. Its either that or DWO.


We need 2 DE’s and we should double dip 1st and 2nd . Dorance or Davenport would be a welcome addition to Chubb , in a perfect scenario .
Senior bowl in 2 weeks will be interesting .
Davenport is big and fast .
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby Jason Bourne » Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:52 am

If Chubb is gone I’m not opposed to trading #7 to buffalo for #21 and #22 , then getting Dorance and Davenport depending on how they look at the senior bowl. It works out close on the draft trade chart and buffalo needs a Qb
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby Sammich » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:27 am

Jason Bourne wrote:
DreadNaught wrote:Marcus Davenport - UTSA

I think this guy will have alot of hype come Feb-Mar and see his value increase on draft boards. Small school prospect, but NFL size and athleticism.


Yep this , he is going to impress at the senior bowl


He has all the tools. On the other hand he is as raw as doughy pizza and played where he had no equal physically. He actually scares me a little. He is very boom/bust. I see no in between with this guy. He is definitely a project and I'm not sure I would spend a first or second on him.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby Bootz2004 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:40 am

I love Davenport's tape. I wasn't familiar with him but after watching some tape the guy just doesn't go away. Every snap I saw was full out. He does get overly aggressive at times and can wash himself out of a play. Also he uses his hands extremely well, which is arguably the most vital attribute for a pass rusher but he often gets too much into the facemask area, which at the NFL level will lead to more hands to the face calls. But being 6'7 it'll happen from time to time. I'd be thrilled with him in the 2nd but like mdb said he's not making it to 38. He is a guy to keep an eye on though.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby Bootz2004 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:51 am

Sammich wrote:
Jason Bourne wrote:
Yep this , he is going to impress at the senior bowl


He has all the tools. On the other hand he is as raw as doughy pizza and played where he had no equal physically. He actually scares me a little. He is very boom/bust. I see no in between with this guy. He is definitely a project and I'm not sure I would spend a first or second on him.


It's not like he played at Hobarts or some random D3 school in the woods. UTSA is an FBS D1 school. Just because its not a Power 5 team doesn't mean the guys from those schools cant play. It's like saying guys from schools like UCF, USF, Boise State can't hang with big competition.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby mdb1958 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:03 am

I think all of them will have to work real hard to get to where they want to be - even Chubb.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby Bootz2004 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:21 am

mdb1958 wrote:I think all of them will have to work real hard to get to where they want to be - even Chubb.


Name me a player that this concept doesn't apply to....I'll wait *****.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby mdb1958 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:22 pm

Bootz2004 wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:I think all of them will have to work real hard to get to where they want to be - even Chubb.


Name me a player that this concept doesn't apply to....I'll wait *****.


I dont think becoming a sack artist has a high success rate. We still have a bunch of players trying to get there.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby DreadNaught » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:27 pm

I don't think Davenport makes it out of the first round either even though pretty much every "draft board" has him on day 2.

He played for a small school, but has plenty of tape vs P5 opponents so it won't be a knock.

Great size, athleticism, hand usage, and motor. EDGE rushers like him don't slide.

Both Davenport and Taven Bryan will go in round 1 imo, maybe top 15.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby Sammich » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:30 pm

Bootz2004 wrote:
Sammich wrote:
He has all the tools. On the other hand he is as raw as doughy pizza and played where he had no equal physically. He actually scares me a little. He is very boom/bust. I see no in between with this guy. He is definitely a project and I'm not sure I would spend a first or second on him.


It's not like he played at Hobarts or some random D3 school in the woods. UTSA is an FBS D1 school. Just because its not a Power 5 team doesn't mean the guys from those schools cant play. It's like saying guys from schools like UCF, USF, Boise State can't hang with big competition.


He may end up being the most prolific end to ever play the game. He may flop. Neither outcome changes the fact that players from lower levels of competition carry some risk.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby DreadNaught » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:33 pm

Jason Bourne wrote:Key could slide on draft day ...

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I think he's definitely a day 2 guy based on risk. Teams are more willing to take a chance there.

Just way too many questions/red flags. Injuries, weight, questionable motor/effort, why did he leave the team during the spring?

Top of round 2 is where we see these high talent-high risk picks.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby DreadNaught » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:37 pm

Sammich wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:
It's not like he played at Hobarts or some random D3 school in the woods. UTSA is an FBS D1 school. Just because its not a Power 5 team doesn't mean the guys from those schools cant play. It's like saying guys from schools like UCF, USF, Boise State can't hang with big competition.


He may end up being the most prolific end to ever play the game. He may flop. Neither outcome changes the fact that players from lower levels of competition carry some risk.


I think Bootz's point was Davenport has plenty of tape vs P5 opponents as a response to the "no physical equal" comment. He played against plenty of equal talent unlike an actual lower division school would.

I don't see him playing for UTSA as a knock on his draft value at all.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby Kress » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:03 pm

Bootz2004 wrote:I love Davenport's tape. I wasn't familiar with him but after watching some tape the guy just doesn't go away. Every snap I saw was full out. He does get overly aggressive at times and can wash himself out of a play. Also he uses his hands extremely well, which is arguably the most vital attribute for a pass rusher but he often gets too much into the facemask area, which at the NFL level will lead to more hands to the face calls. But being 6'7 it'll happen from time to time. I'd be thrilled with him in the 2nd but like mdb said he's not making it to 38. He is a guy to keep an eye on though.


This. He has all of the talent, but needs discipline.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby Bootz2004 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:25 pm

DreadNaught wrote:
Sammich wrote:
He may end up being the most prolific end to ever play the game. He may flop. Neither outcome changes the fact that players from lower levels of competition carry some risk.


I think Bootz's point was Davenport has plenty of tape vs P5 opponents as a response to the "no physical equal" comment. He played against plenty of equal talent unlike an actual lower division school would.

I don't see him playing for UTSA as a knock on his draft value at all.


It won't be a knock. Plenty of 5,4 and 3 star recruits go to non P5 teams in D1. And like you stated he specifically has plenty of tape vs P5 schools. Arizona State, Texas A&M, Baylor. But honestly that much doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby Bootz2004 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:16 pm

Clelin Ferrell & Austin Bryant returning to Clemson.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby real bucs fan » Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:39 pm

Bootz2004 wrote:Clelin Ferrell & Austin Bryant returning to Clemson.

They weren't ready.
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