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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby Super K » Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:04 am

I like Armstrong too..and fwiw, the same thing happened to him (Armstrong)...GREAT 2016, crappy 2017...there are reasons/excuses for his lack of production too, but unlike Landry, Armstrong is being talked about in round 2/3...not 1..

If we take Landry in round 2, I'm good with it...

Sweat had a GREAT combine...but, again, he has very little production at the college level..guy tested/measured out on par with Clowney, yet was consistently outplayed by freshman (Burns) or high motor/low physical traits guys (D Walker)...
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby Deja Entendu » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:37 pm

No way Landry drops to the second round.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby mdb1958 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:26 pm

Posted by Jacob Carlson on November 17, 2017 in Football, Sports, Top Stories.


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Junior defensive lineman Zach Sieler prepares to terrorize in the trenches. Sieler has been garnering attention from the NFL after a very productive three-season stretch with the Bulldogs.
A lot of uncertainty surrounds Ferris junior defensive lineman Zach Sieler as the off-season nears within the upcoming weeks.

Sieler, a 6-foot-6-inch Pinckney native, has garnished some recognition for his outstanding play throughout the past two seasons and has many wondering if the NFL is calling his name.

Currently, the Bulldogs are preparing for what is becoming their annual trip to the playoffs after finishing the season with a 9-1 record but fans may be concerned that it will be the last playoff trip that Sieler is part of.

“There’s a lot of talk of me leaving this year and obviously that’s a big question. For me, I’m trying not to look ahead. I’m trying to just play game by game and just see where I end up after the season,” Sieler said. “I’m not trying to get entangled in all the thoughts and get my mind wrapped up in it. Instead, I’m just trying to perform each week.”

Sieler was awarded for his hard work and dominant play at the end of last season, when he was named National Defensive Player of the Year, GLIAC Defensive Lineman of the Year and earned consensus All-American and All-Region honors.

Sieler was among the top in the nation with 29.5 tackles for loss and 19.5 sacks. The 19.5 sacks smashed the previous Ferris record of 13 set by former teammate and current member of the Canadian Football League’s Montreal Alouettes, Justin Zimmer.

“He’s made himself a dominant, physical player. It was one of those situations when he came in, nobody could have expected it,” Head Coach Tony Annese said. “What’s great about him is his motor never stops. To have great physical attributes and then to be so driven to make every play, it’s a full package.”

Heading into the playoffs, Sieler has 51 tackles and leads the team with six sacks and 16.5 tackles for loss. He also has a forced fumble and has recovered two fumbles on the season. Though this year’s numbers don’t quite compare to those of last season, Sieler has looked as dominant as ever while facing offensive lines geared to focus on stopping him.

Not only has Sieler looked strong going up against double and sometimes triple-team coverages, the shifted focus from offenses has made jobs for the entire defense much easier.

“You know from a game plan standpoint, the opposition has to try to figure out how to stay away from him. We can move our schemes around to play off his strengths and also kind of give a sense of what the offense wants to do,” Annese said.

If Sieler did decide to head for the pros this off-season, he would be joining the ranks of some Bulldogs who have recently continued playing professionally in Jason Vander Laan, Jake Lampman and Justin Zimmer.

Though none of those players have received any significant playing time in the NFL, knowing that is possible from a Division II player provides a bit of hope for Sieler’s dream to one day be chasing quarterbacks on Sundays.

“It’s really nice talking to them because it shows it can be done and it’s been done recently and it’s possible. I can ask them questions and they can help me with the process and they’ve been so helpful,” Sieler said.

For now, Sieler and the Bulldogs look to take a step further than last year and bring a national championship home to Big Rapids.

“We got a taste of it last year, making it to the semi-finals and playing a team that ended up winning it all. We know what it takes now since we’ve been so close. Our goal is to definitely go all the way this year,” Sieler said.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby theBKwhopper » Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:37 pm

Ogbonnia Okoronkwo. 6'2" 250lbs.

I don't know if this guy has been mentioned, but the Bucs have apparently showed a lot of interest in him. Could pick him as high as our 2nd pick. He's a pass rush specialist and he's built like a rock.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby mdb1958 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 4:29 pm

theBKwhopper wrote:Ogbonnia Okoronkwo. 6'2" 250lbs.

I don't know if this guy has been mentioned, but the Bucs have apparently showed a lot of interest in him. Could pick him as high as our 2nd pick. He's a pass rush specialist and he's built like a rock.



Zach Sieler 6'6" 290
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Fri Mar 16, 2018 4:56 pm

mdb1958 wrote:
theBKwhopper wrote:Ogbonnia Okoronkwo. 6'2" 250lbs.

I don't know if this guy has been mentioned, but the Bucs have apparently showed a lot of interest in him. Could pick him as high as our 2nd pick. He's a pass rush specialist and he's built like a rock.



Zach Sieler 6'6" 290

Big Show 7' 500
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby mdb1958 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:21 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:

Zach Sieler 6'6" 290

Big Show 7' 500

NFL football/priority free agent
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby Nano » Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:29 pm

mdb1958 wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:Big Show 7' 500

NFL football/priority free agent

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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby Deja Entendu » Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:32 pm

theBKwhopper wrote:Ogbonnia Okoronkwo. 6'2" 250lbs.

I don't know if this guy has been mentioned, but the Bucs have apparently showed a lot of interest in him. Could pick him as high as our 2nd pick. He's a pass rush specialist and he's built like a rock.


I like what little I've seen of him, but I'll have to watch more.

I still like Landry the best after Chubb. If we could trade back and grab him and Guice, I'd be ecstatic.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby mdb1958 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:34 pm

theBKwhopper wrote:Ogbonnia Okoronkwo. 6'2" 250lbs.

I don't know if this guy has been mentioned, but the Bucs have apparently showed a lot of interest in him. Could pick him as high as our 2nd pick. He's a pass rush specialist and he's built like a rock.



He ran a 4.89 and a 4.77.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby mdb1958 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:44 pm

He's basically a poor man's Marcus Martin.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby Deja Entendu » Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:52 pm

mdb1958 wrote:He's basically a poor man's Marcus Martin.


Um?
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:45 pm

Nano wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:NFL football/priority free agent

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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby MJW » Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:58 pm

We don't need a "pass rush specialist." How often does that actually work out like it should on paper? Never.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:00 pm

MJW wrote:We don't need a "pass rush specialist." How often does that actually work out like it should on paper? Never.

I picture you as the redhead in total recall who slaps the **** out of the intern and shouts "because we haven't implanted it yet!"
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby MJW » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:39 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
MJW wrote:We don't need a "pass rush specialist." How often does that actually work out like it should on paper? Never.

I picture you as the redhead in total recall who slaps the **** out of the intern and shouts "because we haven't implanted it yet!"


You'll do just fine with two hands, MB.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:32 am

MJW wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:I picture you as the redhead in total recall who slaps the **** out of the intern and shouts "because we haven't implanted it yet!"


You'll do just fine with two hands, MB.

Was a bit of a drunk post. Sorry.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby Deja Entendu » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:55 am

I have them:

Chubb
Landry
Key
Okoronkwo

I'm still not sold on Davenport, and need to see more of the other guys.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby mdb1958 » Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:45 am

Davenport and Hubbard are both going to be bad ass.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby real bucs fan » Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:06 pm

For me the first tier is Chubb, second tier is Davenport and Landry. After those 3, the 3rd tier is wide open and depends on what you're looking for.

For the Bucs, I'd gamble on Carter next.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby mdb1958 » Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:14 am

Has anyone uttered a word about this guy - DUKE EJIOFOR
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby mdb1958 » Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:21 am

real bucs fan wrote:For me the first tier is Chubb, second tier is Davenport and Landry. After those 3, the 3rd tier is wide open and depends on what you're looking for.

For the Bucs, I'd gamble on Carter next.



Carter is? Can we make him into something he hasnt been so far. Lots of times I look at some of these prospects and I ask myself - is it because of scheme or that they are just doing what the coaching staffs are expecting from them.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby Jason Bourne » Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:29 am

Dorance Armstrong is going to be good , and I think the Bucs will draft him or Guice in the 2nd
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby mdb1958 » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:27 pm

Look into your crystal ball --- just how good is Marcus Davenport going to be?

I mean really, have we ever drafted any DE with the numbers he put up? As in never reachable...
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby mdb1958 » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:29 pm

Jason Bourne wrote:Dorance Armstrong is going to be good , and I think the Bucs will draft him or Guice in the 2nd



I wonder if he went all out. Lets see if he goes to a playoff team...
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby Cheb » Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:39 pm

mdb1958 wrote:Look into your crystal ball --- just how good is Marcus Davenport going to be?

I mean really, have we ever drafted any DE with the numbers he put up? As in never reachable...


Davenport is a big project with horrid fundamentals, a guy whose athleticism and potential will get him overdrafted. He's a player who despite often being the best athlete on the field against inferior competition did not produce much as a pass rusher. When a player can't get double digits sacks in Conference USA play, I'm skeptical that they can do it in the NFC South.

With proper coaching and dedication, he could be quite good, but there are several dozen ifs he would need to put to bed to be worthy of a first round draft status, much less a top ten pick. I don't think he's first round material. I think he's a situational rusher out the gate, and Davenport would benefit greatly from a strong position coach, preferrably paired with an established pass rusher to show him what the **** to do with himself down by down. A team drafting him to save their pass rush by himself is asking for heartache.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby Nano » Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:57 pm

Cheb wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:Look into your crystal ball --- just how good is Marcus Davenport going to be?

I mean really, have we ever drafted any DE with the numbers he put up? As in never reachable...


Davenport is a big project with horrid fundamentals, a guy whose athleticism and potential will get him overdrafted. He's a player who despite often being the best athlete on the field against inferior competition did not produce much as a pass rusher. When a player can't get double digits sacks in Conference USA play, I'm skeptical that they can do it in the NFL South.

With proper coaching and dedication, he could be quite good, but there are several dozen ifs he would need to put to bed to be worthy of a first round draft status, much less a top ten pick. I don't think he's first round material. I think he's a situational rusher out the gate, and Davenport would benefit greatly from a strong position coach, preferrably paired with an established pass rusher to show him what the **** to do with himself down by down. A team drafting him to save their pass rush by himself is asking for heartache.

Tbh...that kind of sounds like us now. We have a good(from all accounts) Dline coach that is respected, we have an established pass rusher who plays on every down who can teach him the ropes, and we wouldn't be drafting him just to save our pass rush by himself.

Not that I'm saying take him at 7 though lol
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby mdb1958 » Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:27 pm

Nano wrote:
Cheb wrote:
Davenport is a big project with horrid fundamentals, a guy whose athleticism and potential will get him overdrafted. He's a player who despite often being the best athlete on the field against inferior competition did not produce much as a pass rusher. When a player can't get double digits sacks in Conference USA play, I'm skeptical that they can do it in the NFL South.

With proper coaching and dedication, he could be quite good, but there are several dozen ifs he would need to put to bed to be worthy of a first round draft status, much less a top ten pick. I don't think he's first round material. I think he's a situational rusher out the gate, and Davenport would benefit greatly from a strong position coach, preferrably paired with an established pass rusher to show him what the **** to do with himself down by down. A team drafting him to save their pass rush by himself is asking for heartache.

Tbh...that kind of sounds like us now. We have a good(from all accounts) Dline coach that is respected, we have an established pass rusher who plays on every down who can teach him the ropes, and we wouldn't be drafting him just to save our pass rush by himself.

Not that I'm saying take him at 7 though lol


You take a defensive end when you can take him or you end up like Tampa Bay!

#2 in the world is not good enough for us?
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby real bucs fan » Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:52 am

Arden Key just ran a 4.85 40 at his pro day at 235lbs.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby Cheb » Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:53 am

real bucs fan wrote:Arden Key just ran a 4.85 40 at his pro day at 235lbs.


He's looking like a worse option by the day.

What's the over/under he falls to the third? Or later? He's falling down my board further and further.
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