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RBFs Final 2017 Mock

Postby real bucs fan » Mon Apr 03, 2017 10:47 am

1. Dalvin Cook, RB, Florida State

-I just am getting a sense that the Bucs view Cook as their top target round 1. Can't you just imagine Jason Licht talking about a Winston reunion after drafting him? On the field, I think Cook has the potential to have a Zeke like impact right away, as he can run inside, outside, and be a weapon on third downs as a true franchise RB capable of getting the tough yards when needed as well as having home run hitting ability. Forget the concerns about his athleticism, he clearly has elite athleticism as it relates to running the football. In terms of the off the field, I think it could be overblown. While he was charged with domestic battery those charges were dropped after witnesses came forward. The dog abuse thing could be overblow too, he wasn't fighting dogs, he wasn't beating dogs, he just had them improperly chained up in a yard and paid a small fine. With Jameis here, I think Licht can gamble on him, and by all reports Cook is a guy who's going to work his tail off. Cooks stock appears to be in a tailspin, but I don't think that fall gets by us.

2. Dorian Johnson, OG, Pitt

-Johnson is a former 5 star recruit, who's been a 4 year standout at LG for Pitt. Standing 6'5" and weighing in at a lean and mean 300lbs with the frame to add more weight, Johnson is just a tremendous all around lineman. He's a bulldozer in the run game and shuts his guy down in pass protection. If Johnson is off the board, Dion Dawkins would be a nice consolation prize, but regardless I think pick 50 is a great spot to target an olineman as that is where the depth of this oline class is strongest. In an effort to get the best 5 guys on the field, I think we'd follow through with the Marpet to center talk here. If that fails, Johnson would provide excellent insurance for Sweezy though I don't see a scenario where a guy like this isn't starting for us. In fact, I believe Johnson would become our best olineman very quickly. One of the few olineman who has met with the Bucs, he's clearly on our radar.

3. George Kittle, TE, Iowa

-What if I told you we could get an Njoku level athlete at TE in the 3rd round? And that the guy also happens to be a big time blocker in the run game? At 6'4" 247lbs, Kittle would be an excellent fit beside Brate, as not only is he a physical and tenacious blocker, Kittle is also an elite athlete at the position with field stretching ability. Kittle ran a 4.52 and posted a 132" broad jump at the combine, both top 3 marks. At his Pro Day? Just a 38.5" vertical and an absurd 6.78 time in the 3 cone. Raw in his overall skills as a receiver, Kittle still has shown good hands and has the speed to stretch the field deep as he refines his game. His blocking ability should have him seeing the field plenty though early on. This might seem early for him, but he's a risin' and he should land somewhere late on Day 2.

4. Isaiah Ford, WR, Virginia Tech

Fords stock took a major hit when the deep threat ran in the 4.6s at the combine. He got that down to about a 4.5 at his Pro Day, but regardless, the 6'1" 195lbs Ford has big time game speed. He reminds me of Antonio Brown in alot of ways, and I think he's going to be a steal- maybe not Brown level but give him a couple of years and I think he can be a top tier #2 WR. The timing and value here seems perfect, as I think Ford would be able to replace Jackson when Deseans deal is done and provide excellent depth in the mean time.

5. Jeremiah Ledbetter, DL, Arkansas

Besides giving you the urge to bust out your old Pearl Jam tapes, Jeremy Ledbetter is a versatile and experienced player. An inside/outside guy, Ledbetter has tremendous length with his 34"+ arms and excellent athleticism for an interior player, and should be able to join the d-line rotation quickly in some capacity. A tweener, Ledbetter does offer some upside here as he could eventually fill the Robert Ayers role on this defence. He brings a little bit of everything, and while he might never be a star, he's a guy coaches will love. He's also the son of a former Buccaneer pick Weldon Ledbetter.

6. David Jones, S, Richmond

Jones is a big time sleeper in this draft for me, and I think I've had him in every single one of my mocks. He's just the perfect late round developmental safety, having had injury issues at a small program, but possessing big time talent. At 6'1" 205lbs with freaky long arms, Jones ran a 4.4 at his Pro Day after not being invited to the combine. With Tandy, Wilcox, and Conte here, he won't need to be rushed, but I see him being an impactful starter in the league not too far down the line. The Bucs have met with him, so he's on our radar.

7. Brendan Langley, CB, Lamar

-A 4.4 speedster with good size (6', 200lbs) who has moved between schools and positions, Langley has settled in as a CB and returner prospect. Confident, high character guy who can be a special teamer, but also has the ability to develop into something more than that if coached up.
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Re: RBFs Final 2017 Mock

Postby Naismith » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:33 pm

real bucs fan wrote:-What if I told you we could get an Njoku level athlete at TE in the 3rd round?


You could get an even more athletic one later in the draft in Jonnu Smith. :)
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Re: RBFs Final 2017 Mock

Postby real bucs fan » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:45 pm

Naismith wrote:
real bucs fan wrote:-What if I told you we could get an Njoku level athlete at TE in the 3rd round?


You could get an even more athletic one later in the draft in Jonnu Smith. :)

Can Jonnu block?
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Re: RBFs Final 2017 Mock

Postby Naismith » Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:04 pm

I don't know much about him, just saw that he was the most athletic tight end according to 3sigmaathlete.com.

This is from Dane Brugler's awesome draft guide (http://www.myfootballnews.com/product/2017-Guide). He has Smith as the 6th rated TE, 3-4 rounder, and Kittle at 11 and a 5th rounder.

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Matt Waldman's guide has Kittle as the better blocker and both of them as bad blockers.
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Re: RBFs Final 2017 Mock

Postby Bucs N Beers » Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:12 pm

I'm a big fan of Isaiah Ford, especially in the 4th (Go Hokies). I'd be fine with Dalvin Cook, fine with OG in the 2nd. Don't know much about Kittle but he has had some good measurables.

I don't know that I like a safety in round 6 as I think we have more of a need there, but theres only so many picks to go around. Hopefully we move around a bit and pick up an extra mid rounder. I'd prefer a LB in round 7 as I think a 7th round LB has more special teams ability than a CB.

Overall I like it.
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Re: RBFs Final 2017 Mock

Postby Super K » Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:56 pm

Nothing personal RBF, but I don't like it..At all..

My favorite pick was our 2nd round guard..Blech..

Now, that's not saying it isn't realistic, I just don't like it..
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Re: RBFs Final 2017 Mock

Postby real bucs fan » Mon Apr 03, 2017 3:40 pm

Super K wrote:Nothing personal RBF, but I don't like it..At all..

My favorite pick was our 2nd round guard..Blech..

Now, that's not saying it isn't realistic, I just don't like it..


For me priority #1 this draft has to be finding a running game. I think the first 3 picks do a great job of that- plus Kittle, and Ford add some juice. Ledbetter will be a nice add to the dline rotation, while Jones and Langley offer big time developmental upside in the secondary late.
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Re: RBFs Final 2017 Mock

Postby Super K » Mon Apr 03, 2017 3:47 pm

real bucs fan wrote:
Super K wrote:Nothing personal RBF, but I don't like it..At all..

My favorite pick was our 2nd round guard..Blech..

Now, that's not saying it isn't realistic, I just don't like it..


For me priority #1 this draft has to be finding a running game. I think the first 3 picks do a great job of that- plus Kittle, and Ford add some juice. Ledbetter will be a nice add to the dline rotation, while Jones and Langley offer big time developmental upside in the secondary late.


Oh I get ya..

Just not a fan of Cook for us, even though I'd put money on us selecting him..

Not a Ford fan either..IMO, he's much more Ike Hilliard than AB..and I think that late in the draft we'd have more explosive options at WR, albeit they'd be more open to not work out..

Add in the Iowa TE whom is a JAG in my eyes..

Again, nothing personal..You just see these guys differently than I do..It could damn well be a home run draft..
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Re: RBFs Final 2017 Mock

Postby Bootz2004 » Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:16 pm

We can and will do better.
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Re: RBFs Final 2017 Mock

Postby real bucs fan » Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:24 pm

Bootz2004 wrote:We can and will do better.


I could have just done what you did and select everyone a round later than they'll go, but decided against it :)
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Re: RBFs Final 2017 Mock

Postby Bootz2004 » Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:52 pm

real bucs fan wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:We can and will do better.


I could have just done what you did and select everyone a round later than they'll go, but decided against it :)


No instead you selected everyone a round early :)
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Re: RBFs Final 2017 Mock

Postby real bucs fan » Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:03 pm

Bootz2004 wrote:
real bucs fan wrote:
I could have just done what you did and select everyone a round later than they'll go, but decided against it :)


No instead you selected everyone a round early :)


Who, besides perhaps Kittle, would you say goes a round later than where I took em?
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Re: RBFs Final 2017 Mock

Postby theBKwhopper » Mon Apr 03, 2017 8:28 pm

I like it. I also agree that Cook seems like our guy this year. Just like with Evans, Winston and VH3. I honestly prefer several other players, but I'd be content with this draft.
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Re: RBFs Final 2017 Mock

Postby Nano » Mon Apr 03, 2017 8:30 pm

Naismith wrote:I don't know much about him, just saw that he was the most athletic tight end according to 3sigmaathlete.com.

This is from Dane Brugler's awesome draft guide (http://www.myfootballnews.com/product/2017-Guide). He has Smith as the 6th rated TE, 3-4 rounder, and Kittle at 11 and a 5th rounder.

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Matt Waldman's guide has Kittle as the better blocker and both of them as bad blockers.

Isn't he the guy who had his gf pour boiling water on him because they didn't spend enough time together?
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Re: RBFs Final 2017 Mock

Postby Cheb » Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:08 pm

Assuming his off the field issues don't come back to haunt him, I would support Cook's selection. He has some very positive traits to his game. While I think adding a runner in the first round when the run blocking is still poor is treating a symptom instead of the disease, I can understand the pick.

I am of two minds with Dorian Johnson. He's safe, in that he probably won't bust. He has choppy feet and good hands, which makes him a sticky blocker, especially on the love and in the run game. But he's a bit too finesse for an interior lineman for my taste. He's not very strong or powerful, and he plays kinda high; especially at his height, that can burn him against NFL tackles. He plays like a finesse tackle playing guard, which is exactly what he is. Given that Licht seems to prefer linemen with more power to their games (Marpet, Smith, Sweezy), I don't know if Johnson is a good fit. He's a zone guard in a shotgun fury scheme, and we are neither of those things. Don't get me wrong, I think he has a chance to be pretty good on the right team. I just don't know if that team is ours.

Kittle is a name you don't see here often. He's a poor man's OJ Howard, and he would the the heir apparent to Stocker. Do you ask him to add ten pounds to be a full-time blocking specialist? Not a bad idea. You don't always see his athleticism come out as a route runner, and I wouldn't want him taking a large share of the offense early in his career, but I that's okay. I wouldn't mind the selection at all. Perhaps he's a round early? Who can say.

I've mocked Ford and Ledbetter to the Bucs myself. I like them both quite a bit. Ford is criminally underrated, and Ledbetter has a chance to be a good swing lineman if he gets more consistent.

Jones and Langley seem alright. I mean, what can you say, it's late in the draft, and those two are rolls of the dice. Hope they hit.

All in all, I like it. Definite pros and cons with this draft, with Johnson being my head scratcher.

Well played, good sir.
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Re: RBFs Final 2017 Mock

Postby real bucs fan » Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:58 pm

Cheb wrote:Assuming his off the field issues don't come back to haunt him, I would support Cook's selection. He has some very positive traits to his game. While I think adding a runner in the first round when the run blocking is still poor is treating a symptom instead of the disease, I can understand the pick.

I am of two minds with Dorian Johnson. He's safe, in that he probably won't bust. He has choppy feet and good hands, which makes him a sticky blocker, especially on the love and in the run game. But he's a bit too finesse for an interior lineman for my taste. He's not very strong or powerful, and he plays kinda high; especially at his height, that can burn him against NFL tackles. He plays like a finesse tackle playing guard, which is exactly what he is. Given that Licht seems to prefer linemen with more power to their games (Marpet, Smith, Sweezy), I don't know if Johnson is a good fit. He's a zone guard in a shotgun fury scheme, and we are neither of those things. Don't get me wrong, I think he has a chance to be pretty good on the right team. I just don't know if that team is ours.

Kittle is a name you don't see here often. He's a poor man's OJ Howard, and he would the the heir apparent to Stocker. Do you ask him to add ten pounds to be a full-time blocking specialist? Not a bad idea. You don't always see his athleticism come out as a route runner, and I wouldn't want him taking a large share of the offense early in his career, but I that's okay. I wouldn't mind the selection at all. Perhaps he's a round early? Who can say.

I've mocked Ford and Ledbetter to the Bucs myself. I like them both quite a bit. Ford is criminally underrated, and Ledbetter has a chance to be a good swing lineman if he gets more consistent.

Jones and Langley seem alright. I mean, what can you say, it's late in the draft, and those two are rolls of the dice. Hope they hit.

All in all, I like it. Definite pros and cons with this draft, with Johnson being my head scratcher.

Well played, good sir.


Glad you are on board with Cook, and agree that after selecting him it would be crasy not to improve our run blocking in front of him- which brings me to the next 2 picks.

I will never claim to be an expert on olineman. As far as I can tell there is a clump of excellent guards who will go in the second round. I actually slightly prefer Dion Dawkins myself, but went with Johnson because the Bucs have met with him so he seemed like a more likely target. I know he's a bit "light" for what we could be looking for, but when you look at his frame, he could add 15 pounds of pure fat and still be in better shape than any of the others. And I know he only put up 22 reps on the bench, but on tape I saw a road grader. And there's no questioning that he's fantastic in pass protection where his 5 star OT pedigree really shines. I think he's going to be an excellent player and future Pro Bowler, but I'll defer to you, as I admittedly know little about offensive line play other than traits that I look for. How do you rank the Day 2 interior lineman? I really do think it's an underrated group in this draft.

Kittle is interesting, and your poor mans Howard comp could be right on the money. I've kind of fallen for him, I mean, how can you not love his blocking? But not only is he a fantastic blocker, he's a fantastic athlete, he just was criminally under utilized by his college team (like OJ). I don't think he needs to add 10 pounds though, he weighed in at 247lbs at the combine which is fine, and from what I understand that was about 10 pounds heavier than what he was playing at so he might have already done it. I think Kittle complements Brate beautifully. Kittle as the blocker, Brate the receiver, but Kittles athleticism can be used to stretch the field adding juice to the offence at the same. Having Kittle and Brate on the field in 2 TE sets, with Evans and Jackson outside, and Cook in the backfield... that's a damn dangerous grouping of weapons to work with.
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