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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby Naismith » Thu Mar 30, 2017 8:12 am

I love the players acquired. I'd bet good money that Howard, Willis and Davenport won't be available at those spots and I don't think Mack will be, either, but if it fell this way, I'd say it was a home run.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby Bootz2004 » Thu Mar 30, 2017 10:55 am

Good mock and players selected. No reaches at all. And I love your explanations of how they fit our team.

Only gripe I have is Mack. 5 star recruit he was not.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby Alpha » Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:23 am

Teitan wrote:
real bucs fan wrote:
I would say not. At this point I think the money is on him to be the 2nd skill guy off the board after Fournette.



I lean towards it not happening but you never know with the draft. If it's heavy defense, the 3 RBs go and at least 2 QBs go we may get a shot. There's always that surprise wtf pick thrown in there too.

I'd be happy with Njoku though.



Rush DE's (LB's) and QB's are almost always over-drafted.

What's really screwing everyone up is...where do the QB's start to come off the board? Being that there are no Mariotta's or Winston's this year...are there team(s) that like the QB's enough to take them early...or do you see them going in the late 1st/early 2nd? I think nearly every amateur GM sees them going late...but it only takes one QB needy team to take the plunge. If ONE goes in the top 10, you could easily see 2 or 3 going earlier than you might otherwise think.

If a QB or three go early, that definitely helps the Bucs. And that's gonna piss a lot of people off because there will be 2 or 3 guys to choose from that many of us would like to see taken.

It'll be interesting to watch this play out.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby Kress » Sat Apr 01, 2017 2:08 am

Watson is going to go early, and way earlier than he should. Probably the same with Kizer. It will be interesting.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby Watchout4Bucs » Sat Apr 01, 2017 7:55 am

I think this is a pretty realistic mock based on our visits. My only wish is that a safety or DE falls in the first instead.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby Four Verticals » Sat Apr 01, 2017 10:18 am

Kress wrote:Watson is going to go early, and way earlier than he should. Probably the same with Kizer. It will be interesting.


Which QB it will be I'm not sure but Cleveland's 2nd pick in RD 1 (#12) makes the most sense to me.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby Doctor » Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:31 am

How often does JL actually draft players we visit? I often feel a lot of visits are to see if we take a player off our board rather than move them up it. Like, I would have loved to have heard that Mack interview, especially when asked about fumbles. Did he own up? Is he working on it? Did he make excuses?

Goodwin is a nice pick in the second. I've had my eye on him, but I've been giving all my love to JuJu at that spot if we were to go WR. He could very well end up being BPA, depending on how the draft falls, but I can't help feeling he won't be. To me he's a guy, much like say Baker, who I have pegged in that void between two of our selections, where waiting a round will likely mean he's gone and drafting him a round earlier will mean leaving some more talented players on the board.

Mack is on more people's radar here because he's been heavily on OBP radar recently. To me he's still part of the Day 3 "we missed out on Cook" group along with Foreman, Perine, and Hunt, and probably fourth in that group.

I've been beating the drum for Roberts, so nothing more needs to be said there.

Overall I really like the draft. I cringe at the thought of who we possibly left on the board. Did we leave Cook, Taco, or Harris on the board for David? Did we leave Teez, JuJu, Adoree' Jackson or Sidney Jones on the board for Goodwin? Given I don't know any of that, I have to take it in a vacuum and it looks like it's a draft that can really help out the team.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby Cheb » Wed Apr 05, 2017 2:19 pm

Licht has historically drafted two or three visit players every year. Here's the list as of today:

Rodney Adams, WR, South Florida (LOC)
Isaac Asiata, G/C, Utah (WOR)
Josh Augusta, DT/NT, Missouri (PRO)
Daniel Awoleke, DT, South Florida (LOC)
Budda Baker, S, Washington (WOR)
Derek Barnett, DE/3-4OLB, Tennessee (PRI)
Garett Bolles, OT, Utah (WOR)
Tyus Bowser, OLB, Houston (SR)
Caleb Brantley, DT/NT, Florida (COM)
Taco Charlton, DE/3-4OLB, Michigan (PRI)
Bryan Cox, DE, Florida (PRO)
Antonio Craword, CB, West Virginia (LOC)
Julie'n Davenport^, OT, Bucknell (PRO, WOR)
Samson Ebukam, OLB, Eastern Washington (WOR)
Evan Engram, TE, Ole Miss (COM)
Kyle Fuller, C, Baylor (SR)
Avery Gennesy, G, Texas A&M (WOR)
Chris Godwin^, WR, Penn State (WOR, PRI, PRO)
Karel Hamilton, WR, Samford (LOC)
Nigel Harris, OLB, South Florida (LOC)
Trey Hendrickson, DE, Florida Atlantic (EW)
Brian Hill, RB, Wyoming (PRO)
Delano Hill, FS, Michigan (PRO)
Brandon Holloway, WR, Mississippi (LOC)
O.J. Howard^, TE, Alabama (PRI, COM)
Kareem Hunt, RB, Toledo (WOR)
Adoree' Jackson, CB, USC (PRI)
Rayshawn Jenkins, S, Miami (LOC)
Dorian Johnson, G, Pittsburgh (WOR)
David Jones, FS, Richmond (LOC)
Javancy Jones, OLB, Jacksonville State (EW)
Tanoh Kpassagnon, DE/3-4DE, Villanova (COM)
Marlon Mack^, RB, South Florida (COM, STM, LOC)
Obi Melifonwu^, S, Connecticut (PRO%, WOR)
David Njoku^, TE, Miami (COM, PRI, WOR)
Larry Ogunjobi, DT, Charlotte (SR)
James Onwualu, OLB, Notre Dame (EW)
Tyler Orlosky, C, West Virginia (WOR)
Jabrill Peppers, S, Michigan (PRO)
Dayon Pratt, OLB, East Carolina (PRO)
Michael Roberts^, TE, Toledo (COM, WOR)
Martin Ruiz^, RB, Youngstown State (LOC, WOR)
Curtis Samuel^, WR, Ohio State (COM, PRI)
JuJu Smith-Schuster, WR, USC (COM)
Grover Stewart, DT, Albany State (STM)
Sam Tevi, OT, Utah (WOR)
Tedric Thompson, SS, Colorado (WOR)
Dominique Threatt, G, South Florida (LOC)
Jack Tocho, CB, N.C. State (EW)
Alek Torgersen, QB, Pennsylvania (EW)
Josh Tupou, DT, Colorado (PRO)
Jordan Willis^, DE/3-4OLB/OLB, Kansas State (PRI, WOR)
Eric Wilson, ILB, Cincinnati (PRO)
Mason Zandi, OT, South Carolina (PRO)

The key to the symbols:

SR - Senior Bowl meeting.
EW - East-West Shrine meeting.
COM - Combine meeting.
INT - Interested.
VINT - Very Interested.
PRO - Pro Day or campus meeting/workout.
LOC - Local visit. Prospect making a local visit.
PRI - Private visit. Prospect making an official 30 visit.
WOR - Private Workout. Members of an organization working out a player in private.
STM - Some Type of Meeting.
% - indicates more than one meeting at an event.
^ - has met with team at more than one event.
# - indicates meeting set up outside of the 2017 Senior Bowl or the 2017 East-West Shrine Game
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby Bootz2004 » Wed Apr 05, 2017 2:25 pm

The lack of CBs is interesting
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby theBKwhopper » Wed Apr 05, 2017 2:58 pm

Doctor wrote:How often does JL actually draft players we visit? I often feel a lot of visits are to see if we take a player off our board rather than move them up it. Like, I would have loved to have heard that Mack interview, especially when asked about fumbles. Did he own up? Is he working on it? Did he make excuses?

Goodwin is a nice pick in the second. I've had my eye on him, but I've been giving all my love to JuJu at that spot if we were to go WR. He could very well end up being BPA, depending on how the draft falls, but I can't help feeling he won't be. To me he's a guy, much like say Baker, who I have pegged in that void between two of our selections, where waiting a round will likely mean he's gone and drafting him a round earlier will mean leaving some more talented players on the board.

Mack is on more people's radar here because he's been heavily on OBP radar recently. To me he's still part of the Day 3 "we missed out on Cook" group along with Foreman, Perine, and Hunt, and probably fourth in that group.

I've been beating the drum for Roberts, so nothing more needs to be said there.

Overall I really like the draft. I cringe at the thought of who we possibly left on the board. Did we leave Cook, Taco, or Harris on the board for David? Did we leave Teez, JuJu, Adoree' Jackson or Sidney Jones on the board for Goodwin? Given I don't know any of that, I have to take it in a vacuum and it looks like it's a draft that can really help out the team.

What do you think about Zay Jones?
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby threadkiller » Wed Apr 05, 2017 7:12 pm

Very pleased to see we worked out Bolles. Love that guy and hope he is there at 19.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby mdb1958 » Wed Apr 05, 2017 8:04 pm

Go Big Grove!
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby mdb1958 » Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:53 am

mdb1958 wrote:Go Big Grove!



They have the meeting listed as STM - some type of meeting - what the heck would that be?

Note, they are looking at a few big defensive tackles.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby Brazen331 » Sun Apr 09, 2017 3:40 am

Cheb wrote:Licht has historically drafted two or three visit players every year. Here's the list as of today:

Rodney Adams, WR, South Florida (LOC)
Isaac Asiata, G/C, Utah (WOR)
Josh Augusta, DT/NT, Missouri (PRO)
Daniel Awoleke, DT, South Florida (LOC)
Budda Baker, S, Washington (WOR)
Derek Barnett, DE/3-4OLB, Tennessee (PRI)
Garett Bolles, OT, Utah (WOR)
Tyus Bowser, OLB, Houston (SR)
Caleb Brantley, DT/NT, Florida (COM)
Taco Charlton, DE/3-4OLB, Michigan (PRI)
Bryan Cox, DE, Florida (PRO)
Antonio Craword, CB, West Virginia (LOC)
Julie'n Davenport^, OT, Bucknell (PRO, WOR)
Samson Ebukam, OLB, Eastern Washington (WOR)
Evan Engram, TE, Ole Miss (COM)
Kyle Fuller, C, Baylor (SR)
Avery Gennesy, G, Texas A&M (WOR)
Chris Godwin^, WR, Penn State (WOR, PRI, PRO)
Karel Hamilton, WR, Samford (LOC)
Nigel Harris, OLB, South Florida (LOC)
Trey Hendrickson, DE, Florida Atlantic (EW)
Brian Hill, RB, Wyoming (PRO)
Delano Hill, FS, Michigan (PRO)
Brandon Holloway, WR, Mississippi (LOC)
O.J. Howard^, TE, Alabama (PRI, COM)
Kareem Hunt, RB, Toledo (WOR)
Adoree' Jackson, CB, USC (PRI)
Rayshawn Jenkins, S, Miami (LOC)
Dorian Johnson, G, Pittsburgh (WOR)
David Jones, FS, Richmond (LOC)
Javancy Jones, OLB, Jacksonville State (EW)
Tanoh Kpassagnon, DE/3-4DE, Villanova (COM)
Marlon Mack^, RB, South Florida (COM, STM, LOC)
Obi Melifonwu^, S, Connecticut (PRO%, WOR)
David Njoku^, TE, Miami (COM, PRI, WOR)
Larry Ogunjobi, DT, Charlotte (SR)
James Onwualu, OLB, Notre Dame (EW)
Tyler Orlosky, C, West Virginia (WOR)
Jabrill Peppers, S, Michigan (PRO)
Dayon Pratt, OLB, East Carolina (PRO)
Michael Roberts^, TE, Toledo (COM, WOR)
Martin Ruiz^, RB, Youngstown State (LOC, WOR)
Curtis Samuel^, WR, Ohio State (COM, PRI)
JuJu Smith-Schuster, WR, USC (COM)
Grover Stewart, DT, Albany State (STM)
Sam Tevi, OT, Utah (WOR)
Tedric Thompson, SS, Colorado (WOR)
Dominique Threatt, G, South Florida (LOC)
Jack Tocho, CB, N.C. State (EW)
Alek Torgersen, QB, Pennsylvania (EW)
Josh Tupou, DT, Colorado (PRO)
Jordan Willis^, DE/3-4OLB/OLB, Kansas State (PRI, WOR)
Eric Wilson, ILB, Cincinnati (PRO)
Mason Zandi, OT, South Carolina (PRO)

The key to the symbols:

SR - Senior Bowl meeting.
EW - East-West Shrine meeting.
COM - Combine meeting.
INT - Interested.
VINT - Very Interested.
PRO - Pro Day or campus meeting/workout.
LOC - Local visit. Prospect making a local visit.
PRI - Private visit. Prospect making an official 30 visit.
WOR - Private Workout. Members of an organization working out a player in private.
STM - Some Type of Meeting.
% - indicates more than one meeting at an event.
^ - has met with team at more than one event.
# - indicates meeting set up outside of the 2017 Senior Bowl or the 2017 East-West Shrine Game


If we assume that this is the case, and remove players who will most likely be gone by 19, namely Howard, Barnett and Njoku, and also eliminate players who look to be reachesfor the pick at this point like Samuel and Engram, then this looks like wok will be in play from this list:

Garrett Bolles
Caleb Brantley
Jabrill Peppers
Taco Charlton
Buddha Baker reach?
Adoree Jackson reach?

So from these guys give me Bolles all day. It won't happen but if this team actually invested a 1st in a mean, mauling Tackle I would bust a nut.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby Naismith » Sun Apr 09, 2017 7:11 am

Brazen331 wrote:If we assume that this is the case, and remove players who will most likely be gone by 19, namely Howard, Barnett and Njoku, and also eliminate players who look to be reachesfor the pick at this point like Samuel and Engram, then this looks like wok will be in play from this list:

Garrett Bolles
Caleb Brantley
Jabrill Peppers
Taco Charlton
Buddha Baker reach?
Adoree Jackson reach?

So from these guys give me Bolles all day. It won't happen but if this team actually invested a 1st in a mean, mauling Tackle I would bust a nut.


I don't think either Barnett or Njoku are remove-from-the-list likely to be gone at 19.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby Brazen331 » Sun Apr 09, 2017 8:24 am

Naismith wrote:
Brazen331 wrote:If we assume that this is the case, and remove players who will most likely be gone by 19, namely Howard, Barnett and Njoku, and also eliminate players who look to be reachesfor the pick at this point like Samuel and Engram, then this looks like wok will be in play from this list:

Garrett Bolles
Caleb Brantley
Jabrill Peppers
Taco Charlton
Buddha Baker reach?
Adoree Jackson reach?

So from these guys give me Bolles all day. It won't happen but if this team actually invested a 1st in a mean, mauling Tackle I would bust a nut.


I don't think either Barnett or Njoku are remove-from-the-list likely to be gone at 19.


I hope you are right. Looking at this list again, Adoree Jackson might be the top CB on our board and the RBs that we have shown the most interest in are Marlon Mack and Martin Ruiz from Youngstown State. I know nothing about Ruiz. His measurables are average.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Sun Apr 09, 2017 11:38 am

IMO, it's never a reach if the guy is going to be gone by the time you get to pick again.

Can you trade back a bit and maximize value? Absolutely. But if you have no trade partners and the guy you want is there, grab him.

Easier to take him now for one pick than trade up with multiple picks for the same guy.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby Super K » Sun Apr 09, 2017 11:46 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:IMO, it's never a reach if the guy is going to be gone by the time you get to pick again.

Can you trade back a bit and maximize value? Absolutely. But if you have no trade partners and the guy you want is there, grab him.

Easier to take him now for one pick than trade up with multiple picks for the same guy.


That's an excellent philosophy/thought process in regards to the draft..
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Sun Apr 09, 2017 12:02 pm

Super K wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:IMO, it's never a reach if the guy is going to be gone by the time you get to pick again.

Can you trade back a bit and maximize value? Absolutely. But if you have no trade partners and the guy you want is there, grab him.

Easier to take him now for one pick than trade up with multiple picks for the same guy.


That's an excellent philosophy/thought process in regards to the draft..


One example being Budda Baker. If the Bucs have the guy targeted because they know Adams and Hooker will be gone, and Baker is #33 on the big board. They can do one of three things.

Trade back and get Baker plus a pick or two (ideal)
Grab him now (not ideal, but we got our guy)
Draft a different position and look for safety help later (Okay if you like the value in later rounds)

You go "Pure BPA" and you'll let the draft dictate to you what you get. I favor targeting guys you can get and then go get them.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Sun Apr 09, 2017 12:47 pm

Brazen331 wrote:
Cheb wrote:Licht has historically drafted two or three visit players every year. Here's the list as of today:

Rodney Adams, WR, South Florida (LOC)
Isaac Asiata, G/C, Utah (WOR)
Josh Augusta, DT/NT, Missouri (PRO)
Daniel Awoleke, DT, South Florida (LOC)
Budda Baker, S, Washington (WOR)
Derek Barnett, DE/3-4OLB, Tennessee (PRI)
Garett Bolles, OT, Utah (WOR)
Tyus Bowser, OLB, Houston (SR)
Caleb Brantley, DT/NT, Florida (COM)
Taco Charlton, DE/3-4OLB, Michigan (PRI)
Bryan Cox, DE, Florida (PRO)
Antonio Craword, CB, West Virginia (LOC)
Julie'n Davenport^, OT, Bucknell (PRO, WOR)
Samson Ebukam, OLB, Eastern Washington (WOR)
Evan Engram, TE, Ole Miss (COM)
Kyle Fuller, C, Baylor (SR)
Avery Gennesy, G, Texas A&M (WOR)
Chris Godwin^, WR, Penn State (WOR, PRI, PRO)
Karel Hamilton, WR, Samford (LOC)
Nigel Harris, OLB, South Florida (LOC)
Trey Hendrickson, DE, Florida Atlantic (EW)
Brian Hill, RB, Wyoming (PRO)
Delano Hill, FS, Michigan (PRO)
Brandon Holloway, WR, Mississippi (LOC)
O.J. Howard^, TE, Alabama (PRI, COM)
Kareem Hunt, RB, Toledo (WOR)
Adoree' Jackson, CB, USC (PRI)
Rayshawn Jenkins, S, Miami (LOC)
Dorian Johnson, G, Pittsburgh (WOR)
David Jones, FS, Richmond (LOC)
Javancy Jones, OLB, Jacksonville State (EW)
Tanoh Kpassagnon, DE/3-4DE, Villanova (COM)
Marlon Mack^, RB, South Florida (COM, STM, LOC)
Obi Melifonwu^, S, Connecticut (PRO%, WOR)
David Njoku^, TE, Miami (COM, PRI, WOR)
Larry Ogunjobi, DT, Charlotte (SR)
James Onwualu, OLB, Notre Dame (EW)
Tyler Orlosky, C, West Virginia (WOR)
Jabrill Peppers, S, Michigan (PRO)
Dayon Pratt, OLB, East Carolina (PRO)
Michael Roberts^, TE, Toledo (COM, WOR)
Martin Ruiz^, RB, Youngstown State (LOC, WOR)
Curtis Samuel^, WR, Ohio State (COM, PRI)
JuJu Smith-Schuster, WR, USC (COM)
Grover Stewart, DT, Albany State (STM)
Sam Tevi, OT, Utah (WOR)
Tedric Thompson, SS, Colorado (WOR)
Dominique Threatt, G, South Florida (LOC)
Jack Tocho, CB, N.C. State (EW)
Alek Torgersen, QB, Pennsylvania (EW)
Josh Tupou, DT, Colorado (PRO)
Jordan Willis^, DE/3-4OLB/OLB, Kansas State (PRI, WOR)
Eric Wilson, ILB, Cincinnati (PRO)
Mason Zandi, OT, South Carolina (PRO)

The key to the symbols:

SR - Senior Bowl meeting.
EW - East-West Shrine meeting.
COM - Combine meeting.
INT - Interested.
VINT - Very Interested.
PRO - Pro Day or campus meeting/workout.
LOC - Local visit. Prospect making a local visit.
PRI - Private visit. Prospect making an official 30 visit.
WOR - Private Workout. Members of an organization working out a player in private.
STM - Some Type of Meeting.
% - indicates more than one meeting at an event.
^ - has met with team at more than one event.
# - indicates meeting set up outside of the 2017 Senior Bowl or the 2017 East-West Shrine Game


If we assume that this is the case, and remove players who will most likely be gone by 19, namely Howard, Barnett and Njoku, and also eliminate players who look to be reachesfor the pick at this point like Samuel and Engram, then this looks like wok will be in play from this list:

Garrett Bolles
Caleb Brantley
Jabrill Peppers
Taco Charlton
Buddha Baker reach?
Adoree Jackson reach?

So from these guys give me Bolles all day. It won't happen but if this team actually invested a 1st in a mean, mauling Tackle I would bust a nut.

With all due respect to your nuts, I have to agree.

It seems like the team is really looking at the middle rounds of the draft to clean up because the number of first round guys is rather small. (Bolles, Peppers, Njoku, Taco, OJ) I am thinking that Baker, Jackson, Brantley are guys that may be trade up/down targets since they are upper 2nd round guys.

They are at least considering moving back from 19 I think.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby Brazen331 » Sun Apr 09, 2017 9:22 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
Brazen331 wrote:

If we assume that this is the case, and remove players who will most likely be gone by 19, namely Howard, Barnett and Njoku, and also eliminate players who look to be reachesfor the pick at this point like Samuel and Engram, then this looks like wok will be in play from this list:

Garrett Bolles
Caleb Brantley
Jabrill Peppers
Taco Charlton
Buddha Baker reach?
Adoree Jackson reach?

So from these guys give me Bolles all day. It won't happen but if this team actually invested a 1st in a mean, mauling Tackle I would bust a nut.

With all due respect to your nuts, I have to agree.

It seems like the team is really looking at the middle rounds of the draft to clean up because the number of first round guys is rather small. (Bolles, Peppers, Njoku, Taco, OJ) I am thinking that Baker, Jackson, Brantley are guys that may be trade up/down targets since they are upper 2nd round guys.

They are at least considering moving back from 19 I think.


It's sort of easy to agree on a budding Kyle Turley. I'd love to infuse this guy's attitude into our line.

Given the attention we are showing to Howard and Njoku I can see a situation where we start burning up the phone lines once they are both off the board.

Factoring in all the CB talent that will be available when we pick makes Adoree Jackson really stand out since he is the only CB with a private visit. I'm getting the feeling he is in play at 19.

Maybe the team is infatuated with what he can do on STs and offense to boot. The problem with adding Jackson or Baker to VHIII and Grimes is that it would give us a Smurf Secondary.

But when you look at some of the diminutive WRs that have entered and are thriving in the league like ODB, Brandin Cooks, Tyreek Hill, add in John Ross...this makes me think Adoree Jackson will be more desired than some might think.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby Doctor » Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:05 am

theBKwhopper wrote:
Doctor wrote:How often does JL actually draft players we visit? I often feel a lot of visits are to see if we take a player off our board rather than move them up it. Like, I would have loved to have heard that Mack interview, especially when asked about fumbles. Did he own up? Is he working on it? Did he make excuses?

Goodwin is a nice pick in the second. I've had my eye on him, but I've been giving all my love to JuJu at that spot if we were to go WR. He could very well end up being BPA, depending on how the draft falls, but I can't help feeling he won't be. To me he's a guy, much like say Baker, who I have pegged in that void between two of our selections, where waiting a round will likely mean he's gone and drafting him a round earlier will mean leaving some more talented players on the board.

Mack is on more people's radar here because he's been heavily on OBP radar recently. To me he's still part of the Day 3 "we missed out on Cook" group along with Foreman, Perine, and Hunt, and probably fourth in that group.

I've been beating the drum for Roberts, so nothing more needs to be said there.

Overall I really like the draft. I cringe at the thought of who we possibly left on the board. Did we leave Cook, Taco, or Harris on the board for David? Did we leave Teez, JuJu, Adoree' Jackson or Sidney Jones on the board for Goodwin? Given I don't know any of that, I have to take it in a vacuum and it looks like it's a draft that can really help out the team.

What do you think about Zay Jones?


Don't really catch East Carolina games. All I know is what the talking heads say and they seem to like him. A productive guy. A popular name going up boards. Good, not great, ceiling and a high floor.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby mdb1958 » Mon Apr 10, 2017 10:05 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
Super K wrote:
That's an excellent philosophy/thought process in regards to the draft..


One example being Budda Baker. If the Bucs have the guy targeted because they know Adams and Hooker will be gone, and Baker is #33 on the big board. They can do one of three things.

Trade back and get Baker plus a pick or two (ideal)
Grab him now (not ideal, but we got our guy)
Draft a different position and look for safety help later (Okay if you like the value in later rounds)

You go "Pure BPA" and you'll let the draft dictate to you what you get. I favor targeting guys you can get and then go get them.



They seem to have shown a greater interest in Melifonwu, just say no to the midget safety who is about where he will be looking talent wise right now for his whole career. Obi has a much greater ceiling, heck this guy could morph into a linebacker and I wouldnt be surprised. Why is it only Peppers can be thought of being able to do it.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Mon Apr 10, 2017 10:51 am

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Mountaineer Buc wrote:
One example being Budda Baker. If the Bucs have the guy targeted because they know Adams and Hooker will be gone, and Baker is #33 on the big board. They can do one of three things.

Trade back and get Baker plus a pick or two (ideal)
Grab him now (not ideal, but we got our guy)
Draft a different position and look for safety help later (Okay if you like the value in later rounds)

You go "Pure BPA" and you'll let the draft dictate to you what you get. I favor targeting guys you can get and then go get them.



They seem to have shown a greater interest in Melifonwu, just say no to the midget safety who is about where he will be looking talent wise right now for his whole career. Obi has a much greater ceiling, heck this guy could morph into a linebacker and I wouldnt be surprised. Why is it only Peppers can be thought of being able to do it.

Baker was just an example. I don't think we will be drafting him unless something unexpected happens.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby Doctor » Mon Apr 10, 2017 3:01 pm

Brazen331 wrote:If we assume that this is the case, and remove players who will most likely be gone by 19, namely Howard, Barnett and Njoku, and also eliminate players who look to be reachesfor the pick at this point like Samuel and Engram, then this looks like wok will be in play from this list:

Garrett Bolles
Caleb Brantley
Jabrill Peppers
Taco Charlton
Buddha Baker reach?
Adoree Jackson reach?

So from these guys give me Bolles all day. It won't happen but if this team actually invested a 1st in a mean, mauling Tackle I would bust a nut.


I'd do Taco, Peppers, Bolles in that order. I also wouldn't scratch off Samuel as a reach. I have it on good authority that he's near the top of Litch's board. I also don't really practice medicine so take whatever you read online from strangers on a message board with a grain of salt.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby Brazen331 » Tue Apr 11, 2017 7:30 am

Doctor wrote:
Brazen331 wrote:If we assume that this is the case, and remove players who will most likely be gone by 19, namely Howard, Barnett and Njoku, and also eliminate players who look to be reachesfor the pick at this point like Samuel and Engram, then this looks like wok will be in play from this list:

Garrett Bolles
Caleb Brantley
Jabrill Peppers
Taco Charlton
Buddha Baker reach?
Adoree Jackson reach?

So from these guys give me Bolles all day. It won't happen but if this team actually invested a 1st in a mean, mauling Tackle I would bust a nut.


I'd do Taco, Peppers, Bolles in that order. I also wouldn't scratch off Samuel as a reach. I have it on good authority that he's near the top of Litch's board. I also don't really practice medicine so take whatever you read online from strangers on a message board with a grain of salt.


I'll give you something to take with a grain of salt. I think Njoku is the target and feel that the team might have him rated higher than Howard. It would not surprise to see us do something similar to what we did to get Freeman, give up up a 4th or 5th to move up a few spots to make sure he is secured.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Tue Apr 11, 2017 11:40 am

Brazen331 wrote:
Doctor wrote:
I'd do Taco, Peppers, Bolles in that order. I also wouldn't scratch off Samuel as a reach. I have it on good authority that he's near the top of Litch's board. I also don't really practice medicine so take whatever you read online from strangers on a message board with a grain of salt.


I'll give you something to take with a grain of salt. I think Njoku is the target and feel that the team might have him rated higher than Howard. It would not surprise to see us do something similar to what we did to get Freeman, give up up a 4th or 5th to move up a few spots to make sure he is secured.

I hope not.

If Njoku falls to us, then great. I would be pleased with the pick.

I would prefer us to not do much trading up this year because they have a great shot at adding some good depth this year.

Get the roster more complete this year and maybe start moving around after that.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby Doctor » Tue Apr 11, 2017 5:55 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
Brazen331 wrote:
I'll give you something to take with a grain of salt. I think Njoku is the target and feel that the team might have him rated higher than Howard. It would not surprise to see us do something similar to what we did to get Freeman, give up up a 4th or 5th to move up a few spots to make sure he is secured.

I hope not.

If Njoku falls to us, then great. I would be pleased with the pick.

I would prefer us to not do much trading up this year because they have a great shot at adding some good depth this year.

Get the roster more complete this year and maybe start moving around after that.

I find myself agree with Mountaineer.... :o
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Tue Apr 11, 2017 8:46 pm

Doctor wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:I hope not.

If Njoku falls to us, then great. I would be pleased with the pick.

I would prefer us to not do much trading up this year because they have a great shot at adding some good depth this year.

Get the roster more complete this year and maybe start moving around after that.

I find myself agree with Mountaineer.... :o

I didn't just walk in here from the cotton field.

But yeah, this is a GREAT draft to add depth. The rich are going to get richer this year and we get to be a part of it!

If I could figure out what Licht is going to do, I would have a leg up, but he's going to be very tough to figure out this year.

2 months to pick apart his draft this year. Gonna be a lot of fun.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby Brazen331 » Tue Apr 11, 2017 9:13 pm

Maybe I agree with MB too. What I was trying to convey with the potential trade up idea is that I think Njoku might be who were are targeting. This team hit the jackpot with a 20 year old receiver a few years ago and here is another 20 year old receiving phenom. This might give them confidence they can turn the same trick twice.

He also looks like he has had as much if not the most contact from the team compared to any other player in the draft. And, he is from one of the big 3 state schools. Winston, VHIII, Aguayo...we seem to draft in-state high as of late.
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