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Postby Cheb » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:40 pm

Official Pre-draft mock. Free agency has largely settled, and the team is starting to come into focus.

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First round - David Njoku or OJ Howard, Tight Ends, Miami or Alabama. (6’4”, 246 or 6’6”, 251lb). The more I think about it, the more I think this is likely to happen. If one of these guys is there at nineteen, he is a Buc. It makes every type of sense. They would help the run game by at least stalemating their defenders, the playaction game becomes deadlier, they can work the middle of the field while DeSean and Evans play on the outside. They can be legit threats with Brate in two tight end sets, especially since the newest Buc could play in tight or split out wide. Since Brate can do the same, that means the same huddle personnel (Evans, Jackson, Brate, and the new guy) is absurdly versatile. They can come out as four wide receivers in the shotgun, two tight ends on the line, three wides and one tight, in the I-formation with a tight end in the backfield as a fullback, or whatever else Koetter dreams up. A defensive coordinator is fucked either way he plays it. He tips his hand with his personnel grouping and he can be beat the other way; play base and get burned against the pass, play nickel or dime and get overpowered against the run. Back to the selection. Either man also would bail out Winston multiple times a game. He would demand safety help, threaten the seam, and have the athleticism to leave linebackers in their dust while boxing out safeties. I prefer one over another, most do, but one thing can't be argued. Either one would be a welcome addition to our team.

David vs Pitt - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yWAS7Q8Phk
David vs Virginia - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyIIv-lpkTo
OJ vs Texas A&M - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1vnP9FFigY
OJ vs Auburn - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2-4KN7V6RU

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Second round - Chris Godwin, WR, Penn State. (6'1", 209lb). The Bucs invited him for an official visit, went to his Pro Day, and had him do private workouts with our receiver coaches. Suffice to say, I think we are interested. And for good reason. Even though his stats are not always stunning, Godwin plays the game of football very well. He has very strong hands, a large catch radius, and is very good at winning contested throws, which helps a young quarterback like ours. He is able to run any route you want from any position on the field. He has excellent football character, a team-first player who gives good effort as a blocker and enjoys doing the dirty work in the middle of the field. He offers YAC ability after the catch, showcasing both power and speed to pick up additional yardage. He isn't the fastest, but he's fast (4.42), he isn't the biggest but he isn't small either (6'1"). He scored in the top half of most of the combine drills for wideouts, showing a well-rounded athleticism. No, he wouldn't win rookie of the year here, but that's okay. He would offer excellent reps as our number three receiver, pushing Hump down to four and deepening the group as a whole. He can line up anywhere on offense as a receiver, giving us more flexibility. Encouragingly, Godwin plays his best on the biggest stages, in his bowl games, with a total of 24 catches for 460 yards and three touchdowns in three career bowl games. Godwin would certainly be a stud on special teams with his speed and general football saavy. All-in-all, I don't think there's a downside to picking Godwin. I can see why we like him.

Chris vs USC - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHCwL5J8jyM
Chris vs Michigan - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roN-T7aKfsg

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Third round - Jordan Willis, DE, Kansas State. (6’4”, 255lb). Depending on where you look online, Willis is rated between the 8th and 12th best edge rusher in the draft. He’s also the only edge that the Bucs have visited with more than once. Willis is a team captain with three years of starting experience who was the Big 12 Defensive Player of the Year this season after getting 52 tackles, 17.5 tackles for a loss, and 11.5 sacks. He can line up everywhere on the defensive line except nose and provide productive pass rushing snaps, although he is probably a bit light in the ass to play on the interior in the NFL. He plays much larger than his listed size, holding his ground in the run game and he doesn’t get pushed around while pass rushing. Willis has a solid motor on run and pass snaps. He tested well athletically at the combine for those of you that care about such things, with respectable scores in the 40-yard dash, vertical jump, 3 cone drill, and 20-yard shuttle. Consistently good first step on the snap of the ball. I love his hands; this man has been well coached. True, he is a bit stiff, which will limit him as an edge rusher in the pros, and true, he does tend to run out of gas far too quickly for my liking, but there’s a lot to like about Jordan Willis. He has a solid repertoire of rush moves and a knack for finishing plays. Not bad for a third rounder.

Jordan vs Stanford - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg4X-8fNx0A
Jordan vs Texas - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWNuD-2Qaz0

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Fourth round - Marlon Mack, RB, South Florida. (5’11”, 213lb). This pick practically writes itself. He’s the career leader for most rushing yards from the university in the same city, a local former five-star prospect who was born just south of the Tampa area. ****, he played his college ball in the same stadium as the Buccaneers! Mack was first-team all-conference every year in college, averaged over 100 rushing yards per game, and had over 1000 yards every season. He has the ability to make explosive plays all over the field, playing much faster than his combine 40-yard dash of 4.50 seconds. He outruns many people with better 40 times than him. Marlon is consistently explosive, with six of his fifteen rushing touchdowns this year being over 40 yards long. He has some sneaky power and wiggle to his game. He has relatively little tread on the proverbial tires. Mack literally jumps off film. I found him accidentally when scouting a defender who Mack made look stupid on more than one occasion. Yes, this prospect has twelve career fumbles, which is very concerning. Sometimes I literally said out loud to myself when watching him “what the **** kind of ball security is that?” He has some serious issues protecting the rock, but I think it’s more between the ears than an uncorrectable issue. And yes, Marlon can be a frustrating hesitant runner at times and yes, he doesn’t really seem to care as much when running between the tackles and yes, he runs high and yes, he isn’t the bellcow you are looking for. But it’s the fourth round sweetheart, no one here is likely to be an impact player, at least early in their careers. Mack would be a great Tampa story that few can resist, and he would make for a solid member of the backfield committee.

Marlon vs Temple - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBGvbL-Wqxo
Marlon vs UConn - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCQ4PF48Qeg

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Fifth round - Julie'n Davenport, OT, Bucknell. (6'7", 318lb). Here’s your small school developmental lineman. This guy is interesting. He was a two-time All-American left tackle at a lower level of competition and he has ideal size for the position. He has very long arms, the longest in the draft (even longer than Mike Evans’ arms, believe it or not). He spent his college career easily winning against people who aren’t very good or big or strong, and like most people in that situation, his technique is crap. Really, really bad. Inconsistent feet, bad hands, a waist-bender, plays high, gets slapped around more than he should, lots of jogging, isn’t very physical. There’s a lot to be desired, for sure. When he does have solid technique, he looks pretty good, but he is a model of inconsistency. Julie’n has ideal size and decent athleticism, which will get him drafted. The Bucs have met with him at least twice, and he’s just the sort of guy that a scouting nerd like Licht would geek over. I wouldn’t expect anything out of Davenport anytime soon, but he could be a nice developmental guy going forward, taking up a roster spot on the 53 but not dressing for game day, developing his strength, and finer points of blocking technique.

Julie’n vs Virginia Military Institute - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi1UzckKRTY&t
Julie’n vs Georgetown - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC_vFCB0uSo

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Six Round - Michael Roberts, TE, Toledo. (6'4", 270lb). Michael Roberts is a pretty popular selection around here, and for good reason. He has great size to him, and he had sixteen receiving touchdowns last year. People see those numbers and think man, he must be a second day selection, no way he drops this low, Cheb you’re drunk! Well, there’s a reason he’s listed most places as a mid and late rounder. Those numbers are a bit deceitful. He doesn’t offer very much vertically, never averaging more than 11 yards per catch. His blocking, while showing good effort, is high and lunging and inconsistent and questionable in every way. As a route runner, I question whether or not he has the moxxy to get open against NFL coverage; dude is SLOW on grass. But he is a load to bring down when he gets the ball, and he would offer a lot to the offense in the red zone. But Cheb, you already drafted a tight end! I know. Even though this mock addressed tight end in the first round, the position still isn’t very strong. We would have Brate, the first-round rookie, old man Stocker, and a gaggle of JAGs. Roberts would add to special teams, which is important for a late rounder to make it on the squad, but he would be the heir apparent to Stocker. He’s a developmental guy, for sure, and I don’t expect him to take on a large role anytime soon. But he’d be a sixth round rookie, let’s be realistic here.

Michael vs Appalachian State - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBt8oWK5DOE

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Seventh Round - Tedrick Thompson, S, Colorado (6'0, 208lb). This guy had 23 passes defensed last year, seven of them were interceptions, sixteen were passes broken up. Those 23 passes defensed were tied for the most in college football last season. He also had 63 tackles and 3.5 for a loss. You read that and think wow, no way this guy is a consensus seventh round selection. And yet he is, and for good reason. He is a finesse guy to a T, a guy who would love to play seven-on-seven every snap, a guy who could be the MVP of your flag football league. Suffice to say, Tedrick Thompson isn’t a natural hitter. His game versus Michigan, especially, led to some cringe-worthy tackling attempts. He’s slow to fill the alley, and that’s because he doesn’t want to be there. Bad angles, worse tackling. Put him fifteen yards or further away from the line of scrimmage in pass coverage, he shines. He reads patterns very well and has a legitimate desire to make plays in the passing game. Sadly, that doesn’t transition against the run. Tedrick may be too soft for the NFL, and since he’s a shitty tackler he probably isn’t going to do anything on special teams either. He could be another guy who washes out in training camp and never plays a meaningful Buccaneers snap. Then again, he could come alive with better coaching, and we could teach him the finer mechanics to tackling and hitting. If he can be a more physical player, he could be the steal of this draft class. But if he can’t, he won’t last long. Maybe we could sit him behind our three established safeties, give him a spot on the 53 but not a jersey on game day, redshirt him and coach him up. Maybe he could be a practice squad guy. But hey man, it’s the seventh round, everybody’s got warts around here.

Tedrick vs Michigan - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irImLQKXQ8A
Tedrick vs Stanford - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to_xZG2-7f0

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The Bucs have met with every prospect on this list, as I mentioned in most of these selections. It isn’t necessarily who I would select if I were them, but I think this has a decent chance of happening.

Thoughts? Opinions? Critiques? Respond below!
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:18 pm

I love how so many of these guys are off the buczone radar.

Licht is going to draft a guy or two that will have all of us scrambling.

Way to dig deep, Cheb.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby real bucs fan » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:22 pm

Great mock. I think the top two picks are the most likely scenario. I have my doubts Willis is there in the third, but wouldn't hate that though I'd be scared to wait that long at RB.

Bucs appear to have interest in Mack. He's intriguing, but man, what a frustrating offense to try and grade a RB. I think he's a big time gamble, and best case scenario there will be an adjustment period IMO, though with Rodgers and Sims we can afford that. Can he get tough yards inside?

Roberts would be a steal in the sixth, but have my doubts he's there as well. Also I think doubling up at TE would be unlikely with Brate and Cross already here.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby real bucs fan » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:24 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:I love how so many of these guys are off the buczone radar.

Licht is going to draft a guy or two that will have all of us scrambling.

Way to dig deep, Cheb.

Not on who's radar? Not familiar with the safety or the tackle, but all those other guys should be on your radar as the Bucs have shown interest.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:26 pm

I wouldn't expect anyone drafted day three or later to see much action this fall unless they crush training camp.

No SAM, Cheb? Are we putting Bond out there?
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:27 pm

real bucs fan wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:I love how so many of these guys are off the buczone radar.

Licht is going to draft a guy or two that will have all of us scrambling.

Way to dig deep, Cheb.

Not on who's radar? Not familiar with the safety or the tackle, but all those other guys should be on your radar as the Bucs have shown interest.

Don't be a douche. Most of these names are not getting tossed around and you know it.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby Super K » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:34 pm

Love it... Absolutely love it..
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby real bucs fan » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:35 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
real bucs fan wrote:Not on who's radar? Not familiar with the safety or the tackle, but all those other guys should be on your radar as the Bucs have shown interest.

Don't be a douche. Most of these names are not getting tossed around and you know it.

Didn't mean it in a **** way, just those top 4 guys at least are very much in the mix for us.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:40 pm

real bucs fan wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:Don't be a douche. Most of these names are not getting tossed around and you know it.

Didn't mean it in a **** way, just those top 4 guys at least are very much in the mix for us.

Okay, no harm done.

But you gotta admit that Cheb isn't recycling the same old names here and that is refreshing.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby Cheb » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:43 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:I wouldn't expect anyone drafted day three or later to see much action this fall unless they crush training camp.

No SAM, Cheb? Are we putting Bond out there?


Bond was drafted by this coaching staff as a SAM linebacker, and I think he is definitely the leading candidate for the job. But he's young and inexperienced. I don't know if adding another developmental young player to the position really fixes the issue, it would be just more of the same.

I will be the first to agree that Bond shouldn't just be handed the job, and a prudent move would be adding a cheaper veteran SAM to compete if we don't like the guys currently on our roster as good competition and/or depth.

I wouldn't put a two down linebacker high on the list of draft needs this year.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:47 pm

Go get em' Devonte!
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby DreadNaught » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:53 pm

Great mock Cheb. Agree on TE in the 1st and doubling up on the position on day 3 is something that makes sense in the mock sims I've been doing.

Like Godwin. RBF had him in his mock also. Good football player like you said. Should be a good pro.

Willis would be great value in rd 3. Fantastic athlete, but a bit too stiff. But he could bend better he would be a first rounder. I like kids from KState, solid program.

Mack in the 4th would be good need/value. Huge upside, if he runs hard and physical in the NFL he's a steal.

Love both Davenport and Roberts. I think there size and potential gets them drafted a round or 2 earlier than where you have them. But day 3 picks are always unpredictable.

Would read again...
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby Konatown » Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:10 pm

Would be stoked if it end up like this, nice mock.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby real bucs fan » Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:34 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
real bucs fan wrote:Didn't mean it in a **** way, just those top 4 guys at least are very much in the mix for us.

Okay, no harm done.

But you gotta admit that Cheb isn't recycling the same old names here and that is refreshing.

Perhaps it has to do with Cheb and myselfs familiarity with Walter footballs list of prospects met by team- something we've both mentioned. I believe every one of these guys is on that list. If you aren't familiar with it, it's a great resource for guessing who teams are actually interested in which is good info for making accurate mocks, which I imagine is what Cheb is attempting here.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby terrytate » Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:58 pm

I like.

I've been firmly on the "draft TE early" bandwagon for some time. A guy like Howard, Njoku or Hodges amplify the terror factor of this offense 1000fold, for all the reasons you said. I fear that Howard and Njoku might actually be gone at 19 though. In which case I'd take Ramczyk and try and get Hodges in the 2nd.

I'd also like to get one of those CB's early. Grimes isn't getting younger and we aren't stacked behind VH3. I'd lean towards Fabian Moreau or Teez in round 2.

Love Mack and would be happy to have him. My only gripe with him is one you mentioned, he doesn't run inside. He and Sims have similar strengths and weaknesses. Neither is particularly good between the tackles and neither provides much threat to our play action. If we punt Martin, that would leave a big hole in our offense that Mack won't solve. If we take a back, I think it will be someone who can fill that role. If we do take Mack, I think that means Sims doesn't come back.

Aside from a difference of opinion on a few things, I love this draft. It is well thought out, hits the right notes and never reaches. We should be so lucky.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby Four Verticals » Wed Mar 29, 2017 11:10 pm

I like the draft but I'm not sure some of these guys are available where projected.

Howard isn't getting to 19. Njoku is a good "plan B". More of a project
Godwin will need to be picked in round 2. He won't be there for the Bucs 3rd round pick.
I like the Willis pick.
Mack I'm not as sold on as some although, oddly, I'll also say he may not make it to the Bucs 4th round pick.
Ya got me on the OT.
Roberts I don't think makes it to the 6th round at all. I can see him going as many as 3 rounds earlier.
Safety is another got me guy.

Positionally I'd take a safety earlier either over Godwin or Mack.
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NuRe: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby Kress » Wed Mar 29, 2017 11:52 pm

I've never really been a fan of mock drafting, but damn that's solid. I would take that every day and twice on Sunday. Throw in a cheerleader pic or two and I'm sold.
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Re: NuRe: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby Kress » Wed Mar 29, 2017 11:55 pm

Kress wrote:I've never really been a fan of mock drafting, because seriously who the heck knows, but damn that's solid. I would take that every day and twice on Sunday. Throw in a cheerleader pic or two and I'm sold.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby theBKwhopper » Wed Mar 29, 2017 11:55 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:I love how so many of these guys are off the buczone radar.

Licht is going to draft a guy or two that will have all of us scrambling.

Way to dig deep, Cheb.

Not really at all, honestly. A lot of these guys are heavy on the Bucs radar. Godwin, Willis, Mack and Davenport have been written about the past few weeks by Bucs journalists.

It is a great draft, though. I'd personally prefer McCaffrey I'm the first, but there's a lot of talent in this mock. Love it!
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby Kress » Wed Mar 29, 2017 11:59 pm

Okay, what just happened? I tried to edit my post, and then it went as a quote, and....
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby Alpha » Thu Mar 30, 2017 12:07 am

Wouldn't be all that upset if the draft fell this way.

The ONE thing that gnaws at me is S.

We don't have any. Yeah...Tandy and Conte and that guy...I just can't shake the feeling we go safety early. Maybe not the first...but in the first 3.

Jesus...now I get pissed all over again that we drafted Arugula instead of Vonn Bell last year.

**** you, Cheb.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby theBKwhopper » Thu Mar 30, 2017 12:30 am

Alpha wrote:Wouldn't be all that upset if the draft fell this way.

The ONE thing that gnaws at me is S.

We don't have any. Yeah...Tandy and Conte and that guy...I just can't shake the feeling we go safety early. Maybe not the first...but in the first 3.

Jesus...now I get pissed all over again that we drafted Arugula instead of Vonn Bell last year.

**** you, Cheb.

For real.. I really wish we would've re-signed McDougald. At least over Conte.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby Alpha » Thu Mar 30, 2017 12:44 am

theBKwhopper wrote:
Alpha wrote:Wouldn't be all that upset if the draft fell this way.

The ONE thing that gnaws at me is S.

We don't have any. Yeah...Tandy and Conte and that guy...I just can't shake the feeling we go safety early. Maybe not the first...but in the first 3.

Jesus...now I get pissed all over again that we drafted Arugula instead of Vonn Bell last year.

**** you, Cheb.

For real.. I really wish we would've re-signed McDougald. At least over Conte.


On the surface, I agree.

But I trust this coaching staff. Specifically Smith. He knows his ****. And if he felt that Conte was the way to go over McDougal...I'll buy it. For now.

Yet...I can't and REFUSE to believe that we're good with the safeties we have on this roster as it stands. And if we are...God help us all.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby Nano » Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:01 am

Depending on how the staff views Wilcox, we might be content enough at the position to wait until next offseason to really overhaul that group. We liked Conte enough to re sign him, and we may also think that Tandy is ready for a extended role as well. Licht might not view it as an immediate need(which is usually what he spends his high draft picks on)
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby Teitan » Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:45 am

Kress wrote:Okay, what just happened? I tried to edit my post, and then it went as a quote, and....



You should only reply with your own quotes from now on.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby uscbucsfan » Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:50 am

Is there any realistic chance OJ Howard falls to us? I'm beginning doubt that.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby real bucs fan » Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:40 am

uscbucsfan wrote:Is there any realistic chance OJ Howard falls to us? I'm beginning doubt that.


I would say not. At this point I think the money is on him to be the 2nd skill guy off the board after Fournette.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby uscbucsfan » Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:45 am

real bucs fan wrote:
uscbucsfan wrote:Is there any realistic chance OJ Howard falls to us? I'm beginning doubt that.


I would say not. At this point I think the money is on him to be the 2nd skill guy off the board after Fournette.


It seems like 2 weeks ago we were seeing him fall to 19 by almost everyone, now I see him almost unanimously going in the top 10. I know none of those mean anything, but it seems like it's pretty overwhelming that people think he will go early.

Upsetting...
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby Teitan » Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:55 am

real bucs fan wrote:
uscbucsfan wrote:Is there any realistic chance OJ Howard falls to us? I'm beginning doubt that.


I would say not. At this point I think the money is on him to be the 2nd skill guy off the board after Fournette.



I lean towards it not happening but you never know with the draft. If it's heavy defense, the 3 RBs go and at least 2 QBs go we may get a shot. There's always that surprise wtf pick thrown in there too.

I'd be happy with Njoku though.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock

Postby real bucs fan » Thu Mar 30, 2017 8:06 am

Teitan wrote:
real bucs fan wrote:
I would say not. At this point I think the money is on him to be the 2nd skill guy off the board after Fournette.



I lean towards it not happening but you never know with the draft. If it's heavy defense, the 3 RBs go and at least 2 QBs go we may get a shot. There's always that surprise wtf pick thrown in there too.

I'd be happy with Njoku though.


Absolutely, anything can happen. Last year this time, noone thought we'd have any chance at Tunsil and we ended up passing on him... twice.

But at this point it is too far fetched to really entertain. I read this mock as Njoku as the first rounder, and like you I'd be good with it.
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