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Re: 40 days before Philly

Postby mdb1958 » Sun Apr 16, 2017 12:53 pm

So would I, but that wont happen! A 180 point player for a 25 point drop...
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Re: 40 days before Philly

Postby Bootz2004 » Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:41 pm

Believe it or not, mdb's deal isnt have bad and it's dare I say realistic value. Denver isn't giving up a 3rd to move up 1 spot. For comparisons sake, in 2012 the Browns moved from 4 to 3 with Minnesota and gave up a 4th, 5th, and 7th round pick. Now a 5th and 3 7ths isnt all that sexy (to most) but it seems about right.
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Re: 40 days before Philly

Postby Super K » Sun Apr 16, 2017 3:12 pm

Bootz2004 wrote:Believe it or not, mdb's deal isnt have bad and it's dare I say realistic value. Denver isn't giving up a 3rd to move up 1 spot. For comparisons sake, in 2012 the Browns moved from 4 to 3 with Minnesota and gave up a 4th, 5th, and 7th round pick. Now a 5th and 3 7ths isnt all that sexy (to most) but it seems about right.


Oh I don't doubt it's realistic...

My point was getting 3 extra 7ths isnt/wouldn't be a goal..I want more picks in the higher rounds, just like everyone does..

My dialogue back and forth with MDB was because I read his initial post as a desire of his to get more later round picks as a strategy to build the team, practice squad etc..

Myabe I was wrong and assumed..If so, my bad..
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Re: 40 days before Philly

Postby Bootz2004 » Sun Apr 16, 2017 3:37 pm

Super K wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:Believe it or not, mdb's deal isnt have bad and it's dare I say realistic value. Denver isn't giving up a 3rd to move up 1 spot. For comparisons sake, in 2012 the Browns moved from 4 to 3 with Minnesota and gave up a 4th, 5th, and 7th round pick. Now a 5th and 3 7ths isnt all that sexy (to most) but it seems about right.


Oh I don't doubt it's realistic...

My point was getting 3 extra 7ths isnt/wouldn't be a goal..I want more picks in the higher rounds, just like everyone does..

My dialogue back and forth with MDB was because I read his initial post as a desire of his to get more later round picks as a strategy to build the team, practice squad etc..

Myabe I was wrong and assumed..If so, my bad..


I can't speak for rather or not he hopes we go this direction. If Denver calls and says "we know you're going to take Njoku or Taco" I'd rather stay put than get a package of 7th round picks or like you stated get more premium picks. But it's not likely.
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Re: 40 days before Philly

Postby mdb1958 » Sun Apr 16, 2017 4:53 pm

Somebody is going to be dealing to get those tackles.

Denver needs one
Giants need one
Seattle needs one

We might could demand and get the better value in a trade with all of those teams. One or all could bypass us and then some players would unexpectedly drop and maybe still give us the power to do a trade and get who we want.

If we were going in another direction than a lot of you desire, we may even pull off more trades just to alleviate the risk. 8-)
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Re: 40 days before Philly

Postby mdb1958 » Sun Apr 16, 2017 5:16 pm

Super K wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:Believe it or not, mdb's deal isnt have bad and it's dare I say realistic value. Denver isn't giving up a 3rd to move up 1 spot. For comparisons sake, in 2012 the Browns moved from 4 to 3 with Minnesota and gave up a 4th, 5th, and 7th round pick. Now a 5th and 3 7ths isnt all that sexy (to most) but it seems about right.


Oh I don't doubt it's realistic...

My point was getting 3 extra 7ths isnt/wouldn't be a goal..I want more picks in the higher rounds, just like everyone does..

My dialogue back and forth with MDB was because I read his initial post as a desire of his to get more later round picks as a strategy to build the team, practice squad etc..

Myabe I was wrong and assumed..If so, my bad..



It wasnt a desire, it was a take what we could get thing. Plus reasoning as to why 7th rounders arent worthless.
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Re: 40 days before Philly

Postby Super K » Sun Apr 16, 2017 5:43 pm

mdb1958 wrote:
Super K wrote:
Oh I don't doubt it's realistic...

My point was getting 3 extra 7ths isnt/wouldn't be a goal..I want more picks in the higher rounds, just like everyone does..

My dialogue back and forth with MDB was because I read his initial post as a desire of his to get more later round picks as a strategy to build the team, practice squad etc..

Myabe I was wrong and assumed..If so, my bad..



It wasnt a desire, it was a take what we could get thing. Plus reasoning as to why 7th rounders arent worthless.



Gotchya..My bad sir..
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Re: 40 days before Philly

Postby mdb1958 » Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:20 pm

I think it could easily be great players coming from pick 20 on back. Unless we trade up, 18 players may be great but they wont be on our team. If we dont look at all the players back to pick 50 we arent being thorough.

We can talk about it in 2 or 3 years I guess.
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Re: 40 days before Philly

Postby mdb1958 » Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:41 pm

1 *Myles Garrett DE - not a chance
2 *Solomon Thomas DE - no
3 *Jamal Adams SS - not a chance
4 Jonathan Allen DT - no
5 *Marshon Lattimore CB
6 O.J. Howard TE - not a chance
7 *Malik Hooker Injured FS - not a chance
8 *Derek Barnett DE - no
9 *Leonard Fournette RB - no
10 Reuben Foster ILB - no
11 *Dalvin Cook RB - no
12 *Mitch Trubisky QB - no
13 Haason Reddick OLB
14 *Jabrill Peppers SS
15 Corey Davis Injured WR
16 *Christian McCaffrey RB - no
17 *Deshaun Watson QB - no
18 *Ryan RamczykInjured OT - no
19 *John Ross WR - no
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Re: 40 days before Philly

Postby Alpha » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:23 pm

Doctor wrote:
Alpha wrote:
You are understating how talent deficient this team is...on BOTH sides of the ball.

Davonte Bond is a STARTING LB. Grimes. Safeties who are...mediocre. And I'm being generous.

So?

Seahawk Fan, 2011: "Guys, Kam Chancellor is a STARTING safety."

Not saying Bond will be Kam, but you have no reason to knock on Bond at all. He was a guy the staff drafted because they really liked him. They've really liked what he's shown in TC and practice (when not hurt). If it makes you feel better just pretend we drafted Bond in the first 3 rounds this year. People love to give so much hope and credit to rookies that have never been in the league, but for some reason second-year players are old, worthless beans. I, for one, and very excited to see what Bond can offer us at the position and have my own (pretty good) expectations for him.


You're either missing the point or I wasn't making it clear:

When a 2nd year LB (who was injured in his rookie year) is your starting LB...what does that say about the LB's on your roster who aren't starting? I'm not knocking Bond. I'm knocking the fact that he's good enough to be a starter. WTF does that say about his back-up?

When a 32-something year old Grimes is your "stud" CB...what happens when he gets injured (as older players inevitably do)?

When your ENTIRE roster of safeties are what ours are...what does all of this say about the "talent" on your team (specifically at that position)?

Coaching and scheme can only do so much. At some point, you need talented players. Giving up a 3rd and 4th last year for Arugulla didn't help.

This team is severely lacking in talent, across the board. Poor drafts tend to have that effect. I know...it looks good because we finished 9-7 last year. That is a MEDIOCRE team. Slightly (VERY slightly) above average. I've been around long enough to know that when this bites us in the ass next year and we finish 7-9 or 8-8, you kids are gonna be screaming bloody murder.

Last year's record doesn't detract from the fact that we are one injury away...at MANY positions...from this turning into a cluster-fuck of a disaster. And it may be a ****ing disaster at Safety WITHOUT injuries. They're putrid.

And if you can't see that, then there's nothing I can do to help you.
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Re: 40 days before Philly

Postby Doctor » Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:47 am

It's hilarious that you knock on talent and prop it up at the same time. Maybe it says that Bonds is a very talented player. Ever think of that? Maybe he's more talented than the players in front of him. Maybe his back up isn't on the roster yet. And yeah, that 3rd and 4th round picks is definitely what sunk the talent level of this team. :roll:

You presume to know way more than you do. No fan really knew what they were getting in Kam when they put him to start. He barely played his rookie year at all and he was a late round pick. The only ones that really knew were the coaches. If anything TALENT is the ONLY thing this team really has because it's so young and hasn't had a lot of time to put up numbers you can reference. You have no idea what our safeties will look like, we've never had a Tandy/Wilcox combo back there. Tandy looked very good in his playing time last year, we'll see how he is as a starter. Wilcox could flourish in a Mike Smith scheme, and he's already gotten a lot better since really focusing on just the safety position. You have no idea what Smith is going to look like at CB next year. The standard you have of "well we haven't seen it yet so that means it isn't there" leaves no room for any player to actually blossom, which is stupid.

If this was year say three of a pathetic Tandy/Wilcox era, then sure, you'd have a case on "talent" or what not, saying we need to up the talent here because it isn't there. But right now you are making and breaking your own argument at the same time when you **** not having seen production and at the same time calling for upgrading vague talent. WTF are you even talking about when you say "talent"? You want higher round picks invested in the position? Stupid standard to use. Guys that run faster? Jump higher? Also, the draft hasn't even happened yet so we don't know what influx of new "talent" we are getting and at what positions.

You know what teams were mediocre? The 2014 Panthers and the 2007 Cardinals. They were mediocre all the way up until the point where they weren't and were playing in a Superbowl the following years.
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Re: 40 days before Philly

Postby Alpha » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:44 pm

Is Bond your ****ing Brother-in-Law or something?

You're getting way to excited over an opinion, Sparky.

As to my point...I guess the "you're missing the point" option is the one that applies.
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Re: 40 days before Philly

Postby mdb1958 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:49 am

mdb1958 wrote:Per Tony Pauline, the 49ers were 1 of 32 teams salivating to see Albany State's DT Grover Stewart. Stewart did not disappoint, the 6-foot-5, 320 pound athlete ran a blazing 4.80 40 and had 37 reps on the bench press. After a great showing at the NFLPA Collegiate Bowl and impressing scouts at his pro day, the physical and explosive Stewart is one to keep an eye on on Day 3 of the NFL Draft.





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4.80 forty

37 reps

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Re: 40 days before Philly

Postby Corsair » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:51 am

Yeah, we saw it the first time.
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Re: 40 days before Philly

Postby mdb1958 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:58 am

Corsair wrote:Yeah, we saw it the first time.


I have been trained that we has trouble understanding. However I understand the elite standing of we deserves extra consideration...
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Re: 40 days before Philly

Postby Corsair » Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:00 am

mdb1958 wrote:
Corsair wrote:Yeah, we saw it the first time.


I have been trained that we has trouble understanding.


Maybe you should upgrade your "human interaction" programming?
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Re: 40 days before Philly

Postby mdb1958 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:05 am

Corsair wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:
I have been trained that we has trouble understanding.


Maybe you should upgrade your "human interaction" programming?


Just to reflect, the 1.73 is basically equal to Garretts time.
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Re: 40 days before Philly

Postby mdb1958 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:17 am

I picture Stewart stonewalling anyone on the Dallas interior offensive line and we cant understand this...

Double team this guy and someone gets a one on one.
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Re: 40 days before Philly

Postby Corsair » Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:18 am

mdb1958 wrote:
Corsair wrote:
Maybe you should upgrade your "human interaction" programming?


Just to reflect, the 1.73 is basically equal to Garretts time.


"Even the grandest of gerbils is a slave in the land of hamsters"
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Re: 40 days before Philly

Postby mdb1958 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:21 am

I read that and realize that you dont know what your education has done to you.
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Re: 40 days before Philly

Postby mdb1958 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:27 am

mdb1958 wrote:I picture Stewart stonewalling anyone on the Dallas interior offensive line and we cant understand this...

Double team this guy and someone gets a one on one.




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Re: 40 days before Philly

Postby threadkiller » Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:31 am

mdb1958 wrote:I picture Stewart stonewalling anyone on the Dallas interior offensive line and we cant understand this...

Double team this guy and someone gets a one on one.


You picture him as that based on measurables alone when game film of that dude being a steaming pile of **** on a football field is readily available. Probably similar to how you pictured Brock Lesnar coming in and taking the NFL by storm.
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Re: 40 days before Philly

Postby mdb1958 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:55 am

threadkiller wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:I picture Stewart stonewalling anyone on the Dallas interior offensive line and we cant understand this...

Double team this guy and someone gets a one on one.


You picture him as that based on measurables alone when game film of that dude being a steaming pile of **** on a football field is readily available. Probably similar to how you pictured Brock Lesnar coming in and taking the NFL by storm.



In your opinion what kept Chris Baker from being drafted?

Stewart had 27 sacks in 39 games. Thats not even what we need him to do, we need him to be physical with the o-linemen and clog the run lanes.
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Re: 40 days before Philly

Postby mdb1958 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:26 am

Thats 27th in the nation for active career leaders in all four divisions. And prolly the biggest man out of all of them.

Is big man gonna get tired - yes
Does big man gotta do it all - no
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Re: 40 days before Philly

Postby threadkiller » Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:29 am

mdb1958 wrote:
threadkiller wrote:
You picture him as that based on measurables alone when game film of that dude being a steaming pile of **** on a football field is readily available. Probably similar to how you pictured Brock Lesnar coming in and taking the NFL by storm.



In your opinion what kept Chris Baker from being drafted?

Stewart had 27 sacks in 39 games. Thats not even what we need him to do, we need him to be physical with the o-linemen and clog the run lanes.


I did not see Chris Baker, I don't know.

http://draftbreakdown.com/players/grover-stewart/

Watch either of those two games and tell me you think Grover Stewart is a physical block eater.
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Re: 40 days before Philly

Postby mdb1958 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:53 am

Didnt look like either of those two teams wanted to run at those defensive tackles and when they did I didnt see much success.
Not sure where your getting steaming pile from.
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Re: 40 days before Philly

Postby mdb1958 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:01 am

The word were looking for is

rotation!
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Re: 40 days before Philly

Postby Brazen331 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:15 am

Looks like we are getting a positive scouting review from mdb regarding this prospect, threadkiller.
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Re: 40 days before Philly

Postby mdb1958 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:19 am

Brazen331 wrote:Looks like we are getting a positive scouting review from mdb regarding this prospect, threadkiller.


In my best Bootz voice "whats your opinion kiddo".
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Re: 40 days before Philly

Postby Teitan » Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:24 am

Oklahoma RB Samaje Perine says on PFT Live that the Buccaneers are the team that has shown the most interest in him
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