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First Round Mock Draft

Postby Naismith » Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:45 pm

I've never done a full round mock before but since I've seen about 50 players named that will never still be there at pick 19, I thought it would be fun to try.

1 Cleveland (1-15) - Myles Garrett
2 San Francisco (2-14) - Solomon Thomas
3 Chicago (3-13) - Jonathan Allen
4 Jacksonville (3-13) - Jamal Adams
5 Tennessee - from Los Angeles Rams (4-12) - Marshon Lattimore
6 New York Jets (5-11) - Mitchell Trubisky
7 Los Angeles Chargers (5-11) - Malik Hooker
8 Carolina (6-10) - Leonard Fournette
9 Cincinnati (6-9-1) - Reuben Foster
10 Buffalo (7-9) - Mike Williams
11 New Orleans (7-9) - Taco Charlton
12 Cleveland - from Philadelphia (7-9) - Deshaun Watson
13 Arizona (7-8-1) - Deshone Kizer
14 Philadelphia - from Minnesota (8-8) - Quincy Wilson
15 Indianapolis (8-8) - Ryan Ramczyk
16 Baltimore (8-8) - Corey Davis
17 Washington (8-7-1) - Malik McDowell
18 Tennessee (9-7) - John Ross
19 Tampa Bay (9-7) - OJ Howard
20 Denver (9-7) - Garett Bolles
21 Detroit* (9-7) - David Njoku
22 Miami* (10-6) - Haason Reddick
23 New York Giants* (11-5) - Cam Robinson
24 Oakland* (12-4) - Gareon Conley
25 Houston* (9-7) - Patrick Mahomes
26 Seattle* (10-5-1) - Forrest Lamp
27 Kansas City* (12-4) - Zach Cunningham
28 Dallas* (13-3) - Derek Barnett
29 Green Bay* (10-6) - Christian McCaffrey
30 Pittsburgh* (11-5) - Takkarist McKinley
31 Atlanta* (11-5) - Dan Feeney
32 New Orleans - from New England* (14-2) - Jabrill Peppers
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Re: First Round Mock Draft

Postby real bucs fan » Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:53 pm

Beautiful. Though I don't think taco goes that high.
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Re: First Round Mock Draft

Postby Bootz2004 » Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:06 pm

real bucs fan wrote:Beautiful. Though I don't think taco goes that high.


He's moving up draft boards. Athletic DEs with length who can contribute as both a run defender & pass rusher always move up.
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Re: First Round Mock Draft

Postby Teitan » Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:37 pm

Howard is my ideal pick. I think he goes 18 to the titans.
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Re: First Round Mock Draft

Postby Naismith » Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:49 pm

I wasn't aiming for Howard and didn't start it trying to figure out how to get him to the Bucs. I wouldn't even take him there as it played out. I just predicted the picks using (minimal) research into team needs and that's how it played out. I could see Titans going a different direction at 18, just went with Ross based on their pursuit of Cooks.
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Re: First Round Mock Draft

Postby Bootz2004 » Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:05 pm

I could see Tennessee taking Howard ahead of us also. Walker is 32 years old with a relatively large cap # for 2018.
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Re: First Round Mock Draft

Postby Phantom Phenom » Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:17 pm

If Bucs want Howard then they need to move up ahead of titans to draft him
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Re: First Round Mock Draft

Postby Alpha » Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:23 pm

Phantom Phenom wrote:If Bucs want Howard then they need to move up ahead of titans to draft him


If we move up for ANYONE outside of the first 5 or so, I'll firebomb One Buc.

Sayin'.
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Re: First Round Mock Draft

Postby Alpha » Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:24 pm

Bootz2004 wrote:
real bucs fan wrote:Beautiful. Though I don't think taco goes that high.


He's moving up draft boards. Athletic DEs with length who can contribute as both a run defender & pass rusher always move up.


And to think...a month or so ago, I had you people telling me I was ****ing high for wanting Charlton...
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Re: First Round Mock Draft

Postby Bootz2004 » Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:05 pm

Alpha wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:
He's moving up draft boards. Athletic DEs with length who can contribute as both a run defender & pass rusher always move up.


And to think...a month or so ago, I had you people telling me I was ****ing high for wanting Charlton...


Get over yourself sweetheart.
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Re: First Round Mock Draft

Postby Alpha » Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:33 am

Bootz2004 wrote:
Alpha wrote:
And to think...a month or so ago, I had you people telling me I was ****ing high for wanting Charlton...


Get over yourself sweetheart.



Aww...Bootzie...is that how you think of me, sunshine?

If I knew, I'd stop by your old man's barber shop and grab me a few condoms.

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Re: First Round Mock Draft

Postby Brazen331 » Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:54 am

Great mock at this point. But I wonder, weeks from now, after some trades, are these mocks going to start looking like:

1. Trubisky
2. Garrett
3. Kizer
4. Watson
5. Allen

Just going by past precedent.
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Re: First Round Mock Draft

Postby Naismith » Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:00 am

Josh Norris' latest mock had Jonathan Allen falling into the 20s due to mediocre athletics plus tweener size. He didn't mention the shoulder issues as part of his reasoning.
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Re: First Round Mock Draft

Postby DreadNaught » Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:04 am

Naismith wrote:Josh Norris' latest mock had Jonathan Allen falling into the 20s due to mediocre athletics plus tweener size. He didn't mention the shoulder issues as part of his reasoning.


Josh Norris is a SPARQ enthusiast to say the least. Imho he puts too much value in athletic testing. He's WAYYY down on Dalvin Cook and has Kamara in the top 15 overall. I get that Kamara tested well, but I don't see how you watch games of those two guys and come to the conclusion that Cook is NOT the better RB. 4.5 isn't slow for a RB and to call Cook 'not athletic' is a nonsenscial. Ask Clemson, UF, and Miami fans about Cook. He may have legit concerns w/ injury or even fumbling. But his ability to run, block and work out of the backfield as a receiver speaks for itself based on his 3 years at FSU, which is a far better resume than Kamara.

Same with Allen, the guy dominated in college should be a top 5 pick as a highly disruptive D-linemen. But Norris drops him b/c of 40 times and vertical jumps.

Norris is the type of evaluator that would over draft Mike Mamula or Vernon Gholston b/c of a fancy combine.
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Re: First Round Mock Draft

Postby Bootz2004 » Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:09 am

Naismith wrote:Josh Norris' latest mock had Jonathan Allen falling into the 20s due to mediocre athletics plus tweener size. He didn't mention the shoulder issues as part of his reasoning.


Must be RBF
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Re: First Round Mock Draft

Postby Cheb » Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:14 am

Naismith wrote:Josh Norris' latest mock had Jonathan Allen falling into the 20s due to mediocre athletics plus tweener size. He didn't mention the shoulder issues as part of his reasoning.


If Allen drops to 19, we would be damn fools not to take him. The dude is a top 3 talent, he explodes off the tape. He could legitimately take snaps everywhere on the line.

I would be immensely grateful to the rest of the NFL if they were dumb enough to make this happen.
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Re: First Round Mock Draft

Postby Super K » Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:29 am

Cheb wrote:
Naismith wrote:Josh Norris' latest mock had Jonathan Allen falling into the 20s due to mediocre athletics plus tweener size. He didn't mention the shoulder issues as part of his reasoning.


If Allen drops to 19, we would be damn fools not to take him. The dude is a top 3 talent, he explodes off the tape. He could legitimately take snaps everywhere on the line.

I would be immensely grateful to the rest of the NFL if they were dumb enough to make this happen.


Couldn't agree more..

It'd be damn near as epic as Sapp falling..

(Not projecting Allen to have Sapp's career, but you get my point)...
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Re: First Round Mock Draft

Postby DreadNaught » Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:36 am

If game tape is really 90% of an evaluation there is NO way Allen drops out of the top 10, and shouldn't drop past the top 5. But Garrett and Thomas are elite prospects also so I could see Allen being the 3rd DL off the board. But no lower than 10th overall at worst. Just too good on tape at the highest level of competition in CFB.

If he drops to 19 it has to be injury related. IDC what he ran or jumped at the combine, his play speaks for itself.
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Re: First Round Mock Draft

Postby Bootz2004 » Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:40 am

DreadNaught wrote:If game tape is really 90% of an evaluation there is NO way Allen drops out of the top 10, and shouldn't drop past the top 5. But Garrett and Thomas are elite prospects also so I could see Allen being the 3rd DL off the board. But no lower than 10th overall at worst. Just too good on tape at the highest level of competition in CFB.

If he drops to 19 it has to be injury related. IDC what he ran or jumped at the combine, his play speaks for itself.


Is game tape really 90% of the evaluation? If so, then there's no way some of these prospects should go where they are projected.
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Re: First Round Mock Draft

Postby Naismith » Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:45 am

DreadNaught wrote:Josh Norris is a SPARQ enthusiast to say the least. Imho he puts too much value in athletic testing. He's WAYYY down on Dalvin Cook and has Kamara in the top 15 overall. I get that Kamara tested well, but I don't see how you watch games of those two guys and come to the conclusion that Cook is NOT the better RB. 4.5 isn't slow for a RB and to call Cook 'not athletic' is a nonsenscial. Ask Clemson, UF, and Miami fans about Cook. He may have legit concerns w/ injury or even fumbling. But his ability to run, block and work out of the backfield as a receiver speaks for itself based on his 3 years at FSU, which is a far better resume than Kamara.


I like Norris but his picks are often so unconventional that I think it has to be intentional.

As far as Cook is concerned, as tested, he is not athletic for an NFL RB. Whether those athletic scores change after his Pro Day or not is another matter. I would take Kamara over Cook as of now. I hope the Bucs take neither.
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Re: First Round Mock Draft

Postby DreadNaught » Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:50 am

Bootz2004 wrote:
DreadNaught wrote:If game tape is really 90% of an evaluation there is NO way Allen drops out of the top 10, and shouldn't drop past the top 5. But Garrett and Thomas are elite prospects also so I could see Allen being the 3rd DL off the board. But no lower than 10th overall at worst. Just too good on tape at the highest level of competition in CFB.

If he drops to 19 it has to be injury related. IDC what he ran or jumped at the combine, his play speaks for itself.


Is game tape really 90% of the evaluation? If so, then there's no way some of these prospects should go where they are projected.


Who knows for sure, but that is a line I always here from GMs and personnel guys in interviews when asked. It might just be an industry agreed upon cliche the NFL adopted.
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Re: First Round Mock Draft

Postby Doctor » Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:03 pm

OJ Howard is such a Bengals pick. And we really took him over Barnett and Cooks (who.... fell out of the first? Really?).

I like it overall, but it's still missing a WTF reach. Every first round needs a WTF factor. Maybe Thomas at 2 is that?
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Re: First Round Mock Draft

Postby bearlandbucfan » Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:09 pm

Cheb wrote:
Naismith wrote:Josh Norris' latest mock had Jonathan Allen falling into the 20s due to mediocre athletics plus tweener size. He didn't mention the shoulder issues as part of his reasoning.


If Allen drops to 19, we would be damn fools not to take him. The dude is a top 3 talent, he explodes off the tape. He could legitimately take snaps everywhere on the line.

I would be immensely grateful to the rest of the NFL if they were dumb enough to make this happen.



I second that. The guy is gifted.
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Re: First Round Mock Draft

Postby Bootz2004 » Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:54 pm

Doctor wrote:OJ Howard is such a Bengals pick. And we really took him over Barnett and Cooks (who.... fell out of the first? Really?).

I like it overall, but it's still missing a WTF reach. Every first round needs a WTF factor. Maybe Thomas at 2 is that?


Now that you mention it, agreed. Eifert is damaged goods at this point and will be a FA after the season. And no way I'd pass up Barnett if he's there at 19. Don't know what people are thinking there.
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Re: First Round Mock Draft

Postby Naismith » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:26 pm

Doctor wrote:OJ Howard is such a Bengals pick. And we really took him over Barnett


I would much rather take Barnett, I just feel like Bucs are going with a skill position and so I predicted that. I'm probably being swayed by the vast majority of fans hoping the Bucs are going skill position but it really seems like the direction we're headed.

As far as a reach pick, I think if I had that intent, I'd go with Zay Jones ahead of John Ross.
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Re: First Round Mock Draft

Postby Naismith » Tue Mar 28, 2017 7:10 pm

First round mock draft, take 2.

1 Cleveland (1-15) - Myles Garrett
*2 New York Jets (5-11) - From San Francisco (2-14) Mitchell Trubisky
3 Chicago (3-13) - Solomon Thomas
4 Jacksonville (3-13) - Leonard Fournette
5 Tennessee - from Los Angeles Rams (4-12) - OJ Howard
*6 San Francisco (2-14) - From New York Jets (5-11) - Jamal Adams
7 Los Angeles Chargers (5-11) - Malik Hooker
8 Carolina (6-10) - Jonathan Allen
9 Cincinnati (6-9-1) - Reuben Foster
10 Buffalo (7-9) - Mike Williams
11 New Orleans (7-9) - Marshon Lattimore
12 Cleveland - from Philadelphia (7-9) - Deshaun Watson
13 Arizona (7-8-1) - Deshone Kizer
14 Philadelphia - from Minnesota (8-8) - Corey Davis
15 Indianapolis (8-8) - Garrett Bolles
16 Baltimore (8-8) - Taco Charlton
17 Washington (8-7-1) - Haason Reddick
18 Tennessee (9-7) - Quincy Wilson
19 Tampa Bay (9-7) - Jabrill Peppers
20 Denver (9-7) - Forrest Lamp
21 Detroit* (9-7) - David Njoku
22 Miami* (10-6) - Gareon Conley
23 New York Giants* (11-5) - Ryan Ramczyk
24 Oakland* (12-4) - Christian McCaffrey
25 Houston* (9-7) - Patrick Mahomes
26 Seattle* (10-5-1) - Cam Robinson
27 Kansas City* (12-4) - TJ Watt
28 Dallas* (13-3) - Derek Barnett
29 Green Bay* (10-6) - Marlon Humphrey
30 Pittsburgh* (11-5) - John Ross
31 Atlanta* (11-5) - Jordan Willis
32 New Orleans - from New England* (14-2) - Takkarist McKinley
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Re: First Round Mock Draft

Postby Super K » Tue Mar 28, 2017 7:14 pm

Pittsburgh adds Ross to go along with AB and (possibly)Bryant at WR?

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Re: First Round Mock Draft

Postby Naismith » Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:26 am

*****SPOILERS******

Here's the exact draft, so you don't have to watch round one. Unless, of course, trades screw it up, so probably go ahead and watch round one.

1 Cleveland (1-15) - Myles Garrett
2 San Francisco (2-14) - Jamal Adams
3 Chicago (3-13) - Solomon Thomas
4 Jacksonville (3-13) - Leonard Fournette
5 Tennessee - from Los Angeles Rams (4-12) - Malik Hooker
6 New York Jets (5-11) - OJ Howard
7 Los Angeles Chargers (5-11) - Christian McCaffrey
8 Carolina (6-10) - Jonathan Allen
9 Cincinnati (6-9-1) - Reuben Foster
10 Buffalo (7-9) - Haason Reddick
11 New Orleans (7-9) - Marshon Lattimore
12 Cleveland - from Philadelphia (7-9) - Mitch Trubisky
13 Arizona (7-8-1) - Patrick Mahomes
14 Philadelphia - from Minnesota (8-8) - Mike Williams
15 Indianapolis (8-8) - Charles Harris
16 Baltimore (8-8) - Corey Davis
17 Washington (8-7-1) - Taco Charlton
18 Tennessee (9-7) - David Njoku
19 Tampa Bay (9-7) - Jabrill Peppers
20 Denver (9-7) - Cam Robinson
21 Detroit* (9-7) - Jarrad Davis
22 Miami* (10-6) - Derek Barnett
23 New York Giants* (11-5) - Deshone Kizer
24 Oakland* (12-4) - Zach Cunningham
25 Houston* (9-7) - Deshaun Watson
26 Seattle* (10-5-1) - Garett Bolles
27 Kansas City* (12-4) - Davis Webb
28 Dallas* (13-3) - TJ Watt
29 Green Bay* (10-6) - Quincy Wilson
30 Pittsburgh* (11-5) - Marlon Humphrey
31 Atlanta* (11-5) - Malik McDowell
32 New Orleans - from New England* (14-2) - Tak McKinley
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Re: First Round Mock Draft

Postby Doctor » Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:26 am

Chargers shaking it up with a sneak attack again eh? Nice.
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Re: First Round Mock Draft

Postby Naismith » Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:36 am

Doctor wrote:Chargers shaking it up with a sneak attack again eh? Nice.


I think that's such an amazing fit. He can basically do everything Danny Woodhead did as a complementary back plus address their need at wide receiver.
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