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Re: Combine News

Postby mdb1958 » Mon Mar 06, 2017 2:27 pm

Is this Myrick fella any good, the one that ran a 4.28
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Re: Combine News

Postby uscbucsfan » Mon Mar 06, 2017 2:32 pm

Bootz2004 wrote:
DreadNaught wrote:
I'm not saying Teez can't play, or lacks skills. But a 4.63/4.68 raises flags for CB.

Who was the last CB to drafted in the 1st round that ran a 4.63 or slower?

If you can't name one, please explain why you feel Teez should be the exception here?


When the 40 yard dash becomes part of NFL games, let me know. Al Davis must be living thru you. Again if teams are dumb enough to ignore his tape in favor of "oh but he ran a 4.63 in shorts" trade up and get him. Everything here suggests you haven't seen him play 1 bit.


I think people have taken this anti-"Underwear Olympics" campaign a bit far. While most of these test are irrelevant by themselves, the sum of all of the test do provide evaluators with a baseline or constant to measure athletics that they cannot equally define on tape. In return we get things like SPARQ and other metrics that do show the overall natural abilities and athletics of these players. These are not worthless at all. Some of these players played with great or poor talent or against great/poor talent and the tape doesn't tell the full story. Also, these players have received different levels of coaching and are at different points of their development.

Basically, as we have seen in the past, the tape is not an exact science, the combine is not an exact science, evaluating in general is a gamble. All of these workouts all add up to help determine how these players will succeed/grow in the NFL.

There are far more stories where the combine over inflates a prospects draft stock and they turn out to be bust, but there are also instances where the combine highlighted a great talent that would have otherwise been overlooked to a degree like Chris Johnson, Dwight Freeney, DRC, Vernon Davis, and the best example was Megatron. Calvin was already considered a rare prospect before the combine, but didn't rise to be one of the most coveted WR prospects ever until after his ridiculous combine performance.
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Re: Combine News

Postby DreadNaught » Mon Mar 06, 2017 2:34 pm

Bootz2004 wrote:
DreadNaught wrote:
I'm not saying Teez can't play, or lacks skills. But a 4.63/4.68 raises flags for CB.

Who was the last CB to drafted in the 1st round that ran a 4.63 or slower?

If you can't name one, please explain why you feel Teez should be the exception here?


When the 40 yard dash becomes part of NFL games, let me know. Al Davis must be living thru you. Again if teams are dumb enough to ignore his tape in favor of "oh but he ran a 4.63 in shorts" trade up and get him. Everything here suggests you haven't seen him play 1 bit.


What school did Teez play for? You sure that is your argument here?

I'm not saying I live an die based on the 40. But it does have precedent for the CB position in the question I already posed to you (which you obviously dodged).

Name the last 1st round CB to run 4.63 (or slower) -OR- why you feel Teez is an exception to that in what is regarded as a very deep CB class?
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Re: Combine News

Postby Brazen331 » Mon Mar 06, 2017 2:36 pm

Bootz2004 wrote:
DreadNaught wrote:
I'm not saying Teez can't play, or lacks skills. But a 4.63/4.68 raises flags for CB.

Who was the last CB to drafted in the 1st round that ran a 4.63 or slower?

If you can't name one, please explain why you feel Teez should be the exception here?


When the 40 yard dash becomes part of NFL games, let me know. Al Davis must be living thru you. Again if teams are dumb enough to ignore his tape in favor of "oh but he ran a 4.63 in shorts" trade up and get him. Everything here suggests you haven't seen him play 1 bit.


CB is a bit different than DT. A 40 time has some relevance here. Maybe if you were GM we would trade up from 19 to draft Teez. But myself, and the rest of the stupid people here perhaps, will not be upset with passing over a 4.6 corner in the first, and not trading up for him in the 2nd. Not in this draft at least.
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Re: Combine News

Postby mdb1958 » Mon Mar 06, 2017 2:44 pm

Shaq Griffin - 4.38
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Re: Combine News

Postby mdb1958 » Mon Mar 06, 2017 2:49 pm

Deion Sanders just ushered Bootz off the stage...
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Re: Combine News

Postby Bootz2004 » Mon Mar 06, 2017 2:55 pm

DreadNaught wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:
When the 40 yard dash becomes part of NFL games, let me know. Al Davis must be living thru you. Again if teams are dumb enough to ignore his tape in favor of "oh but he ran a 4.63 in shorts" trade up and get him. Everything here suggests you haven't seen him play 1 bit.


What school did Teez play for? You sure that is your argument here?

I'm not saying I live an die based on the 40. But it does have precedent for the CB position in the question I already posed to you (which you obviously dodged).

Name the last 1st round CB to run 4.63 (or slower) -OR- why you feel Teez is an exception to that in what is regarded as a very deep CB class?


That statement was obviously tongue in cheek. You're only acting as if you haven't seen him play.

As for why he's worth a 1st, he can run, turn, has plenty of speed to stay with all of those 4.3 WRs. He's always around the ball, has good size.

Last 1st round CB to run 4.63? Hell if I know. You look it up. But if that's your argument then you truly do believe that the #1 factor in determining draft position for corners isn't their tape but their 40 time. Is that what you believe?
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Re: Combine News

Postby DreadNaught » Mon Mar 06, 2017 3:07 pm

Bootz2004 wrote:
DreadNaught wrote:
What school did Teez play for? You sure that is your argument here?

I'm not saying I live an die based on the 40. But it does have precedent for the CB position in the question I already posed to you (which you obviously dodged).

Name the last 1st round CB to run 4.63 (or slower) -OR- why you feel Teez is an exception to that in what is regarded as a very deep CB class?


That statement was obviously tongue in cheek. You're only acting as if you haven't seen him play.

As for why he's worth a 1st, he can run, turn, has plenty of speed to stay with all of those 4.3 WRs. He's always around the ball, has good size.

Last 1st round CB to run 4.63? Hell if I know. You look it up. But if that's your argument then you truly do believe that the #1 factor in determining draft position for corners isn't their tape but their 40 time. Is that what you believe?


I've followed Teez since he was a 5* recruit coming out of DC and watched every game in college (many more than once). I know the kid has skills and good tape. But you can't ignore a 4.63 and 4.68 like it doesn't have a negative impact.

YOU are the one that is ignoring historical precedence here, not me. So that is why I'm asking you why Teez is an exception?

Are you saying his tape is so good that teams are going to dismiss a 4.63?

I'd love for Teez to be another 1st round CB from UF. But like I said a few posts up, a 4.63 throws up flags for a cover CB. In a CB class like this it will push him out of the first round if he wasn't already.

Anyways, we'll see come draft night...
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Re: Combine News

Postby Bootz2004 » Mon Mar 06, 2017 3:34 pm

DreadNaught wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:
That statement was obviously tongue in cheek. You're only acting as if you haven't seen him play.

As for why he's worth a 1st, he can run, turn, has plenty of speed to stay with all of those 4.3 WRs. He's always around the ball, has good size.

Last 1st round CB to run 4.63? Hell if I know. You look it up. But if that's your argument then you truly do believe that the #1 factor in determining draft position for corners isn't their tape but their 40 time. Is that what you believe?


I've followed Teez since he was a 5* recruit coming out of DC and watched every game in college (many more than once). I know the kid has skills and good tape. But you can't ignore a 4.63 and 4.68 like it doesn't have a negative impact.

YOU are the one that is ignoring historical precedence here, not me. So that is why I'm asking you why Teez is an exception?

Are you saying his tape is so good that teams are going to dismiss a 4.63?

I'd love for Teez to be another 1st round CB from UF. But like I said a few posts up, a 4.63 throws up flags for a cover CB. In a CB class like this it will push him out of the first round if he wasn't already.

Anyways, we'll see come draft night...


I know it'll have a negative impact. Im saying if teams are smart then it won't. You seem to know that but like teams do every year you're using this single metric to question every game you've seen as well as ignoring the other things tested at the combine, if they mean anything.
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Re: Combine News

Postby Naismith » Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:39 pm

I checked out the 40 times for all the Pro Bowl CBs going back 10 years and the only one I found with a 40 worse than 4.57 was Ronde Barber at 4.63.
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Re: Combine News

Postby mdb1958 » Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:23 pm

Well, MB.

I was right about those Colorado db's.
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Re: Combine News

Postby mdb1958 » Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:57 pm

I'm already thinking how nice it would be to turn one of these bigass db's into a linebacker because they're so fast.
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Re: Combine News

Postby Cheb » Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:12 pm

mdb1958 wrote:I'm already thinking how nice it would be to turn one of these bigass db's into a linebacker because they're so fast.


Can they take on or avoid a block from a pulling guard? No? Then that's a bad idea.
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Re: Combine News

Postby Kress » Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:57 am

I was sick yesterday, so I sat around watching a lot of the coverage, and the CB class looks so talented it's crazy. In shorts and with no opposition, mind you. I've never seen most of these guys play a snap of actual football, but still. I'd be all in favor of a mid round pickup.
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Re: Combine News

Postby Buc2 » Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:35 am

Rich Eisen side by side vs John Ross
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This YouTube vid is Eisen vs a bunch of different players including Ross...
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Re: Combine News

Postby Teitan » Sat Mar 11, 2017 4:38 pm

Not the combine, but, Sidney Jones tore his Achilles at his pro day.
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Re: Combine News

Postby Bootz2004 » Sat Mar 11, 2017 5:21 pm

Teitan wrote:Not the combine, but, Sidney Jones tore his Achilles at his pro day.


I'd still take him at 19.
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Re: Combine News

Postby PrimeMinister » Sat Mar 11, 2017 9:36 pm

Bootz2004 wrote:
Teitan wrote:Not the combine, but, Sidney Jones tore his Achilles at his pro day.


I'd still take him at 19.


Blue?
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Re: Combine News

Postby Bootz2004 » Sat Mar 11, 2017 9:38 pm

PrimeMinister wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:
I'd still take him at 19.


Blue?


Not at all. A player of that talent level will contribute eventually.
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Re: Combine News

Postby Doctor » Sat Mar 11, 2017 9:43 pm

Teitan wrote:Not the combine, but, Sidney Jones tore his Achilles at his pro day.

Is the tear official?
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Re: Combine News

Postby real bucs fan » Sat Mar 11, 2017 11:01 pm

Achilles are tough. I have an uncle who tore his Achilles and one leg is now noticeably longer than the other.
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Re: Combine News

Postby PrimeMinister » Sun Mar 12, 2017 12:45 am

Bootz2004 wrote:
PrimeMinister wrote:
Blue?


Not at all. A player of that talent level will contribute eventually.


I'll pass at 19.
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Re: Combine News

Postby Bootz2004 » Sun Mar 12, 2017 1:35 am

PrimeMinister wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:
Not at all. A player of that talent level will contribute eventually.


I'll pass at 19.


Injuries heal. He'll be fine.
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Re: Combine News

Postby Bootz2004 » Sun Mar 12, 2017 1:35 am

real bucs fan wrote:Achilles are tough. I have an uncle who tore his Achilles and one leg is now noticeably longer than the other.


What's your point? ACL tears are tough as well but you keep mentioning Jaq Smith as a vital player we can count on going forward.
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Re: Combine News

Postby MJW » Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:41 am

Sidney Jones is a stud. I'll wait until he's healthy to don the pewter, and wait happily.
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Re: Combine News

Postby Teitan » Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:43 am

Doctor wrote:
Teitan wrote:Not the combine, but, Sidney Jones tore his Achilles at his pro day.

Is the tear official?



You're the Doctor!














Don't know, that's all I saw being reported.
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Re: Combine News

Postby Naismith » Sun Mar 12, 2017 12:12 pm

That sucks for Jones. I wasn't interested in him for the Bucs before the injury but you still hate to see a guy get hurt before the draft. I'd guess he's a day three pick now.
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Re: Combine News

Postby Bootz2004 » Sun Mar 12, 2017 12:13 pm

Naismith wrote:That sucks for Jones. I wasn't interested in him for the Bucs before the injury but you still hate to see a guy get hurt before the draft. I'd guess he's a day three pick now.


Ridiculous. By that logic so is Malik Hooker. Neither guy is dropping out of the 1st
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Re: Combine News

Postby Naismith » Sun Mar 12, 2017 12:26 pm

You're equating a torn labrum with a torn achilles. Hooker's recovery period is 4-6 months from a February 1st surgery. He could still play in the preseason. Studies show a torn achilles to take two to three seasons to return to baseline performance (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 145606.htm). So you, who criticized the Patriots for trading a first for a "two year rental" on a guy that is proven in the league, healthy and could obviously be kept well beyond two years would use a first round pick on a "two year rental" for a guy that might never return completely to form?

Regardless, I am perfectly willing to bet any type of fun forum bet you'd like that Jones does not get selected in the first round if he has a torn achilles. There is quite literally zero chance of it happening.
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Re: Combine News

Postby Nano » Sun Mar 12, 2017 2:35 pm

Make the bet really fun....


Whoever loses....for 1 week, you can not post anything




....unless you're replying to an mdb post
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