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Re: Bucs Big Board Thread

Postby uscbucsfan » Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:12 am

real bucs fan wrote:
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There have been many RBs graded just as high or higher since AP that were bust. McFadden was widely accepted as a better prospect than AP. Elliot wasn't graded as high as Richardson.

My point is both may bust. Neither are sure things.

McFaddens athleticism drew comparisons to Peterson, but I don't recall anyone saying he was better.

Everyone knew AP was generational as a runner.

Then you misremember. He was supposed to be a faster healthier version with similar vision, which was wrong. He was certainly a more highly touted prospect than Cook and probably Fournette when factoring injuries.

My point was run dmc and Trent Richardson were locks to be good running backs according to everyone.
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Re: Bucs Big Board Thread

Postby real bucs fan » Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:13 am

Well I personally was not high on either, and I definitely wasn't alone.
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Re: Bucs Big Board Thread

Postby uscbucsfan » Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:20 am

real bucs fan wrote:Well I personally was not high on either, and I definitely wasn't alone.


lol. That's easy to say after the fact.

Very few were down on McFadden as a prospect.
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Re: Bucs Big Board Thread

Postby real bucs fan » Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:57 am

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real bucs fan wrote:Well I personally was not high on either, and I definitely wasn't alone.


lol. That's easy to say after the fact.

Very few were down on McFadden as a prospect.

McFadden I didn't extensively watch, but in no way shape or form was he getting AP buzz. Richardson I was vocally against since I watched bama quite a bit and he was in our picks ballpark, and it was clear to me he was running behind a dominant oline and lacked explosiveness.

Am not trying to act like I'm never wrong, clearly I am sometimes like anyone, but AP was special when he came out. And everyone I talked to knew it too.
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Re: Bucs Big Board Thread

Postby uscbucsfan » Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:06 pm

real bucs fan wrote:
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lol. That's easy to say after the fact.

Very few were down on McFadden as a prospect.

McFadden I didn't extensively watch, but in no way shape or form was he getting AP buzz. Richardson I was vocally against since I watched bama quite a bit and he was in our picks ballpark, and it was clear to me he was running behind a dominant oline and lacked explosiveness.

Am not trying to act like I'm never wrong, clearly I am sometimes like anyone, but AP was special when he came out. And everyone I talked to knew it too.


Once again, you are incorrect. He was.

People were saying the only reason he fell to 4 were his off field issues. He killed it at Arkansas and he killed it at the combine. People were IN LOVE with Run DMC. He was absolutely called a better prospect than AP by many. It was pretty unanimous on this board and in general that he was a generational prospect, some said he was the best they had ever seen.
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Re: Bucs Big Board Thread

Postby real bucs fan » Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:21 pm

uscbucsfan wrote:
real bucs fan wrote:McFadden I didn't extensively watch, but in no way shape or form was he getting AP buzz. Richardson I was vocally against since I watched bama quite a bit and he was in our picks ballpark, and it was clear to me he was running behind a dominant oline and lacked explosiveness.

Am not trying to act like I'm never wrong, clearly I am sometimes like anyone, but AP was special when he came out. And everyone I talked to knew it too.


Once again, you are incorrect. He was.

People were saying the only reason he fell to 4 were his off field issues. He killed it at Arkansas and he killed it at the combine. People were IN LOVE with Run DMC. He was absolutely called a better prospect than AP by many. It was pretty unanimous on this board and in general that he was a generational prospect, some said he was the best they had ever seen.


Well clearly, those folks were wrong.
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Re: Bucs Big Board Thread

Postby uscbucsfan » Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:32 pm

real bucs fan wrote:
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Once again, you are incorrect. He was.

People were saying the only reason he fell to 4 were his off field issues. He killed it at Arkansas and he killed it at the combine. People were IN LOVE with Run DMC. He was absolutely called a better prospect than AP by many. It was pretty unanimous on this board and in general that he was a generational prospect, some said he was the best they had ever seen.


Well clearly, those folks were wrong.


If you say so....whatever.
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Re: Bucs Big Board Thread

Postby MJW » Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:25 pm

McFadden was considered comperable to AD as a prospect, but it was a comparison he lost for most heading into that draft. For the purposes of this discussion, AD was the "generational" talent who was dinged a bit by injury concerns. McFadden was an excellent, fantastic running back prospect, but he wasn't quite that guy.

Also worth remembering that there were a lot of people who credited the Hogs unconventional running attack for McFadden's success. Don't forget that Felix Jones was also a first rounder that year. Folks were questioning if some of McFadden's success was due to the system.
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Re: Bucs Big Board Thread

Postby mdb1958 » Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:15 am

BucsBigBoard, say for instance you look at your board from the perspective of the top fifty which I believe is where we pick 2nd. Lets say 10 of the players we would draft are all off the board before we even pick 19th and the others dont spark much interest with us at all, and from 19th to 50th there are only maybe 4 or 5 players that you would take that dont even necessarily blow your socks out of the water - but you'd never admit it.

When I look at it that way, unless I could do a reasonable move up, I'd almost have to consider a trade down and then look for value and upgrades for the players that we might not retain.

This draft may be another Licht what the hell are you doing moment.
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Re: Bucs Big Board Thread

Postby Super K » Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:42 am

Trading down is not some definite reality as some talk about it around here..

First, you have to find someone to trade with...this is usually the easiest part..

Second is getting the right compensation to do so..

Im sure we could drop from 19 to 28 if all we ask for in return is that teams 6th rounder...and this board would be calling for Licht's head on a spike and rightfully so...

But if we aren't excited about the players at 19, what's the impetus for another team to give up valuable assets to trade up with us?

Someone offers their 1st and 2nd to move up...sure, let's do it..

Otherwise, trust our personnel and stick to our board and go BPA...
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Re: Bucs Big Board Thread

Postby mdb1958 » Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:28 am

My last sentence trumps your last sentence!
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Re: Bucs Big Board Thread

Postby Super K » Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:11 am

mdb1958 wrote:My last sentence trumps your last sentence!


Ha! That it does sir..
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Re: Bucs Big Board Thread

Postby real bucs fan » Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:04 pm

My Big Board right now:

Top 10
1. Jonathan Allen, DL
-All around stud who can play anywhere on the Dline. Top 5 lock.
2. Myles Garrett, DE
-Freakish edge, top 5 lock.
3. Corey Davis, WR
-Moves ahead of Williams due to how he complement Evans.
4. Mike Williams, WR
-Would give us 2 dynamic down the field monsters at WR.
5. Malik Hooker, FS
-Freakish stud who's likely a top 10 if not top 5.
6. Dalvin Cook, RB
-Winston would not allow Licht to pass on him.
7. Leonard Fournette, RB
-If he avoids the injuries, he's a superstar at RB.
8. Jamal Adams, SS
-Plug him in at SS beside Tandy, unlikely to fall out of top 10.
9. Marshon Lattimore, CB
-Tremendous shutdown CB with size, but back to back CBs? Does he move Hargreaves to the nickel for a year or is he the dime back? He and Hargreaves would be a tremendous CB duo going forward though, but he's a top 10 lock IMO.
10. Solomon Thomas, DL
-Tremendous player who likely goes top 10. Would take him easily at 19 but we'd have to be creative to fit him in.

The Misfits
11. Cam Robinson, OL
-Tyron Smith upside at LT, but if he doesn't work on his craft he's more Greg Robinson
12. John Ross, WR
-If his knee problems are behind him, he can come in and be a Desean Jackson for us at a fraction of the cost and 8 years younger.
13. Jabrill Peppers, SS
-I think you put him at SS and coach him up. A downhill terror.
14. Rueben Foster, LB
-A stud who can't pass on, but a luxury pick we can't afford to make.
15. Ryan Ramczyk, LT
-Pure LT, do you shift Smith inside to Guard? RT?
16. Forrest Lamp, OL
-Can start anywhere can could be groomed as a Pro Bowl C or G.
17. JuJu Smith-Schuster, WR
-Should be an excellent #2 sooner than later.
18. Derek Barnett, DE
-Not a great athlete, but a nice burst, and great hands. Makes plays.
19. Marlon Humphrey, CB
-Might not see the field a ton as a rookie, but could replace Grimes in a year and be a stud opposite Hargreaves in time.

ETA:
To be clear, this is from a Bucs perspective.
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Re: Bucs Big Board Thread

Postby Doctor » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:42 pm

^I can get behind that.
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Re: Bucs Big Board Thread

Postby pewterpirates » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:54 pm

Can we please put an end to the "Cook falling to us at 19?" It's not going to happen. He'll be off the board. There are way too many RB-hungry teams in front of us. I doubt he gets past the Colts at 14. And even if he does, I could see Baltimore or Washington taking him.


To me, SF, Chicago, Tenn, SD, Cincy, Buffalo and Arizona are the only teams ahead of us who don't need a RB.
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Re: Bucs Big Board Thread

Postby Doctor » Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:37 pm

pewterpirates wrote:Can we please put an end to the "Cook falling to us at 19?" It's not going to happen. He'll be off the board. There are way too many RB-hungry teams in front of us. I doubt he gets past the Colts at 14. And even if he does, I could see Baltimore or Washington taking him.


To me, SF, Chicago, Tenn, SD, Cincy, Buffalo and Arizona are the only teams ahead of us who don't need a RB.

I stopped believing Steven Jackson was going to fall to us and then....
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Re: Bucs Big Board Thread

Postby mdb1958 » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:47 am

In regards to this Bucs Big Board, I keep thinking the Bucs see the "list" and they could say with all due respect we dont see it that way...


All we are doing is basing things off what others are saying --- not what the Bucs are thinking.
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Re: Bucs Big Board Thread

Postby Super K » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:05 am

The more I read from Bucs "guys" on twitter, BR and other sources the more I get the feeling that our leadership does not share the same thoughts as we do in regards to our OL..

DK himself had an interview at season's end where he stated that he "liked our offensive line...however they need to perform better, obviously"...essentially saying it wasn't a personnel issue..

With that in mind, and as much as we all may disagree with it, it may do us some good to do some mocks/big boards without any OL..because if we resign Hawley and EDS, that gives us 10 I think?

Maybe we add another 5th or 6th round developmental guy..but I'm leaning towards us not spending a premium pick on the OL..
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Re: Bucs Big Board Thread

Postby real bucs fan » Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:14 pm

Gonna wait until after the combine and FA to really set the order, but the 19 guys on my board at the moment are:

WR:
Corey Davis
Mike Williams
John Ross

RB:
Leonard Fournette
Dalvin Cook

TE:
OJ Howard
David Njoku

OL:
Cam Robinson
Ryan Ramczyk

DL:
Myles Garrett
Jarred Allen
Solomon Thomas
Taco Charlton
Derek Barnett

LB:
Reuben Foster

CB:
Marshon Lattimore

S:
Malik Hooker
Jamal Adams
Jabrill Peppers
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Re: Bucs Big Board Thread

Postby real bucs fan » Mon Feb 13, 2017 12:30 pm

My Pre-Combine Top 20 (For The Bucs)

The No Way In Hells
1. Jonathan Allen, DL
-All around stud who can play anywhere on the Dline.
2. Myles Garrett, DE
-Freakish edge
3. Jamal Adams, SS
-Plug him in at SS beside Tandy.
4. Malik Hooker, FS
-Freakish stud
5. Solomon Thomas, DL
-Tremendous player who likely goes top 10. Would take him easily at 19 but we'd have to be creative to fit him in.

The Please Lords
6. OJ Howard, TE
-Would simultaneously give Jameis a weapon and help the run game.
7. Corey Davis, WR
-Moves ahead of Williams due to how he would complement Evans

The Heck Yeas
8. Mike Williams, WR
-Would give us 2 dynamic down the field monsters at WR.
9. Leonard Fournette, RB
-If he avoids the injuries, he's a superstar at RB.
10. Dalvin Cook, RB
-Winston would not allow Licht to pass on him.
11. Cam Robinson, OL
-Tyron Smith upside at LT, but should be a dominant LG at worst
12. Marshon Lattimore, CB
-Tremendous shutdown CB with size, but back to back CBs? Does he move Hargreaves to the nickel for a year or is he the dime back? He and Hargreaves would be a tremendous CB duo going forward though, but he's a top 10 lock IMO.

The Island Of Misfit Toys
13. Jabrill Peppers, SS
-I think you put him at SS and coach him up. A downhill terror.
14. Rueben Foster, LB
Not a need at all, but guy is a stud. I don't really see how he falls out of the top 15 though unless a video emerges of him punching a woman while smoking a joint and then being chased down by said woman and beaten to a pulp. If he's the pick, I think you try and use David as an edge rusher in nickel packages and sub out Gholston.
15. John Ross, WR
-If the injuries are behind him, he can come in and be a Desean Jackson for us at a fraction of the cost and 8 years younger. But those injuries...

The Mehs
16. Ryan Ramczyk, OT
17. Taco Charlton, DE
18. Derek Barnett, DE
19. David Njoku, TE
20. Forrest Lamp, OL
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Re: Bucs Big Board Thread

Postby Bootz2004 » Mon Feb 13, 2017 1:45 pm

So now the 1st round selection in one of your mocks from just a week or 2 ago is now a "meh". I love it.
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Re: Bucs Big Board Thread

Postby real bucs fan » Mon Feb 13, 2017 1:47 pm

Bootz2004 wrote:So now the 1st round selection in one of your mocks from just a week or 2 ago is now a "meh". I love it.


And the first line under that selection was "If nobody falls"...
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Re: Bucs Big Board Thread

Postby Bootz2004 » Mon Feb 13, 2017 1:49 pm

real bucs fan wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:So now the 1st round selection in one of your mocks from just a week or 2 ago is now a "meh". I love it.


And the first line under that selection was "If nobody falls"...


Followed by reasons why this is such a great selection. I love your fandom RBF. I really do. And I appreciate it.
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Re: Bucs Big Board Thread

Postby real bucs fan » Mon Feb 13, 2017 1:53 pm

Bootz2004 wrote:
real bucs fan wrote:
And the first line under that selection was "If nobody falls"...


Followed by reasons why this is such a great selection. I love your fandom RBF. I really do. And I appreciate it.


I was selling why the pick would make sense...

Serious question:

Do you offer anything to the draft discussion other than criticism? I have yet to see one mock/big board/anything from you.
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Re: Bucs Big Board Thread

Postby Bootz2004 » Mon Feb 13, 2017 2:01 pm

real bucs fan wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:
Followed by reasons why this is such a great selection. I love your fandom RBF. I really do. And I appreciate it.


I was selling why the pick would make sense...

Serious question:

Do you offer anything to the draft discussion other than criticism? I have yet to see one mock/big board/anything from you.


You know Bootz doesn't offer his mocks until FA starts usually.
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Re: Bucs Big Board Thread

Postby Cheb » Mon Feb 13, 2017 2:06 pm

I've been thinking about the Bucs Big Board for awhile now. I am not going to quibble about this guy should be one spot above that guy; I'm not smart enough for that. These are my five tiers of reaction. The groups are organized alphabetically by first name. Although it is subject to change, my top 32 looks something like this:

Sprint to the Podium and Throw a Parade in Celebration (1-4)
Jonathan Allen, DL, Alabama
Malik Hooker, S, Ohio State
Myles Garrett, DE, Texas A&M
Solomon Thomas, DL, Stanford

I’m Pretty Excited (5-16)
Cam Robinson, OT, Alabama
Dalvin Cook, RB, Florida State
Derek Barnett, DE, Tennessee
Jamal Adams, S, LSU
John Ross, WR, Washington
Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU
Marlon Humphrey, CB, Alabama
Marshon Lattimore, CB, Ohio State
Mike Williams, WR, Clemson
OJ Howard, TE, Alabama
Reuben Foster, LB, Alabama
Ryan Ramczyk, OT, Wisconsin

Solid but I Was Hoping for Better (17-27)
Christian McCaffrey, RB, Stanford
Corey Davis, WR, Western Michigan
David Njoku, TE, Miami
Jabrill Peppers, S/OLB, Michigan
Jourdan Lewis, CB, Michigan
Sidney Jones, CB, Washington
Taco Charlton, DE, Michigan
Teez Tabor, CB, Florida
Tim Williams, DE, Alabama
Zach Cunningham, LB, Vanderbilt

No Thank You (28-29)
Malik McDowell, DL, Michigan State
Takkarist McKinley, DE, UCLA

WTF (30-32)
Mitch Trubinsky, QB, North Carolina
DeShone Kizer, QB, Notre Dame
Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson
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Re: Bucs Big Board Thread

Postby real bucs fan » Mon Feb 13, 2017 2:51 pm

McCaffrey that high is pretty bold. But I kind of like it. He'd certainly be a weapon.
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Re: Bucs Big Board Thread

Postby Naismith » Mon Feb 13, 2017 4:23 pm

What does it mean that Corey Davis, "Moves ahead of Williams due to how he would complement Evans"? It seems like you're saying that Williams is a better WR but you'd rather have Davis because you think he meshes with Evans better, is that right?
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Re: Bucs Big Board Thread

Postby Naismith » Mon Feb 13, 2017 4:31 pm

Top 16:

1. Myles Garrett
2. Jonathan Allen
3. Solomon Thomas
4. Taco Charlton
5. Garett Bolles
6. Ryan Ramczyk
7. Charles Harris
8. Derek Barnett
9. Mike Williams
10. Cam Robinson
11. Tak McKinley
12. Forrest Lamp
13. Dan Feeney
14. Leonard Fournette
15. OJ Howard
16. Ryan Anderson
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Re: Bucs Big Board Thread

Postby real bucs fan » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:06 pm

Naismith wrote:What does it mean that Corey Davis, "Moves ahead of Williams due to how he would complement Evans"? It seems like you're saying that Williams is a better WR but you'd rather have Davis because you think he meshes with Evans better, is that right?


I grade them about even. From a Bucs perspective though, I like Davis better. Mike Williams is very similar to Mike Evans though with less freaky length. Davis would bring a bit more versatility to our offence. He can be very effective in the screen game as well as after the catch turning short throws into big gains, 2 things Evans/Williams don't really offer.

It's part of the reason why I think Davis would be perfect for us. He offers the small receiver skillset we're lacking opposite Evans, while still giving Winston a big receiver target.
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