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Re: "The Bucs surprisingly select ___ "

Postby mdb1958 » Mon Jan 16, 2017 10:07 pm

mdb1958 wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:Nobody regards the smaller colleges like you do, mdb




Mississippi Valley State University!



MB didnt figure it out yet?
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Re: "The Bucs surprisingly select ___ "

Postby Naismith » Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:43 am

I'm sure most people got the reference.
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Re: "The Bucs surprisingly select ___ "

Postby mdb1958 » Tue Jan 17, 2017 6:50 am

Naismith wrote:I'm sure most people got the reference.


What I like about looking is the chance you can get them free.
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Re: "The Bucs surprisingly select ___ "

Postby Brazen331 » Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:00 pm

mdb1958 wrote:
Naismith wrote:I'm sure most people got the reference.


What I like about looking is the chance you can get them free.


What I like about looking at your posts is the feeling I may as well be reading Navajo. I can't code break this.
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Re: "The Bucs surprisingly select ___ "

Postby mdb1958 » Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:17 pm

So you would have lost the war, 72 years of supposed higher education? But instead the Germans are frolicking with our blondes.
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Re: "The Bucs surprisingly select ___ "

Postby mdb1958 » Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:24 pm

What I--like--about looking--is the chance--you can--get them free. (Capt. Kirk)


What I like about looking -- is the chance you can get them free
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Re: "The Bucs surprisingly select ___ "

Postby Brazen331 » Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:07 pm

mdb1958 wrote:What I--like--about looking--is the chance--you can--get them free. (Capt. Kirk)


What I like about looking -- is the chance you can get them free


So if one does not look one can't get them free? If so, what would the cost be? And why would Germans want to frolick with our blondes when they have their own and more of them?
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Re: "The Bucs surprisingly select ___ "

Postby mdb1958 » Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:02 pm

So you eagerly came into this conversation to say you cant read it and if you could you wouldnt be able to understand it. Maybe you should seek a new direction.
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Re: "The Bucs surprisingly select ___ "

Postby mdb1958 » Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:25 am

mdb1958 wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:


Mississippi Valley State University!



MB didnt figure it out yet?




http://www.101sports.com/2013/06/05/dea ... tats-then/
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Re: "The Bucs surprisingly select ___ "

Postby Pewterslimsme » Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:43 am

Do you have a garage...and if so, how often would you say you're in there "tinkering"?

I'm asking for a friend.
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Re: "The Bucs surprisingly select ___ "

Postby mdb1958 » Sat Jan 21, 2017 8:14 am

Would anybody be surprised if we picked Marshon Lattimore
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Re: "The Bucs surprisingly select ___ "

Postby Bootz2004 » Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:08 pm

mdb1958 wrote:Would anybody be surprised if we picked Marshon Lattimore


Not really. Corner will be an area we need to look at soon. If we did this year, then that's fine. He's a talented kid
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Re: "The Bucs surprisingly select ___ "

Postby real bucs fan » Sat Jan 21, 2017 3:11 pm

Lattimore appears to be emerging as the top corner in an excellent CB class. Doubt he's there at 19, but I could see us taking a CB. One of my few draft rules is to take advantage of a drafts strengths and depths. This class appears to be strongest at RB and CB, with RB being the deepest and CB being the strongest at the top, so a CB could very well be BPA at 19.

That said, with Ryan Smith moving to CB, CB is one of the deepest positions on the roster, and we did just take a CB 11th overall last year.
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Re: "The Bucs surprisingly select ___ "

Postby Konatown » Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:17 am

But who knows how Smith will turn out? Gotta think Grimes is done sooner rather than later, and Verner likely won't get a 2nd contract from us. I'd love to see us get another CB this year and let him develop for a year. My sleeper pick is Tabor (who may not even be there).
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Re: "The Bucs surprisingly select ___ "

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:34 am

Konatown wrote:But who knows how Smith will turn out? Gotta think Grimes is done sooner rather than later, and Verner likely won't get a 2nd contract from us. I'd love to see us get another CB this year and let him develop for a year. My sleeper pick is Tabor (who may not even be there).

Tabor looks to be a top five guy right now.
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Re: "The Bucs surprisingly select ___ "

Postby mdb1958 » Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:43 am

I hope we carefully vette all these DB's and they come up with a list of them that would make them very happy.
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Re: "The Bucs surprisingly select ___ "

Postby GameTime » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:21 am

If you pressure the QB, the DBs dont have to be as good. And no matter how good a DB is, he will eventually get beat with time. Id rather see a DL.
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Re: "The Bucs surprisingly select ___ "

Postby Super K » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:07 am

GameTime wrote:If you pressure the QB, the DBs dont have to be as good. And no matter how good a DB is, he will eventually get beat with time. Id rather see a DL.


While I agree, this is changing as the league is moving more and more towards quicker routes/quicker QB releases..

It can be compensated for by teams playing different defensive schemes, more press man etc...but listening to a radio show the other day, they state that 5-6 of the best QB'S this year got rid of the ball in less than 3 seconds..no pass rush is getting there that quick...

You've got to have talent on the backend in today's NFL...
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Re: "The Bucs surprisingly select ___ "

Postby mdb1958 » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:09 am

Right now just about all the DT's are falling out of the 1st round
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Re: "The Bucs surprisingly select ___ "

Postby Super K » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:14 am

mdb1958 wrote:Right now just about all the DT's are falling out of the 1st round


The DT's ARE weak..hence the discussion in TD as to why we should aggressively address it in FA...
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Re: "The Bucs surprisingly select ___ "

Postby mdb1958 » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:44 am

Super K wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:Right now just about all the DT's are falling out of the 1st round


The DT's ARE weak..hence the discussion in TD as to why we should aggressively address it in FA...


So is all the terminology, when Poe could have been drafted by a 4-3 team everybody would have argued against it - and now - when its a huge pay day involved everyone is for it - go figure. Why would we pick Poe when we had Roy Miller - LOL

There are going to be some good DE's in this draft, I cant wait to see their numbers at the combine. We have a lot of quick enough, not quite strong enough DE's, and none are super priced as of yet. What we dont have is big, quick, and powerful bookends. If Walter is right and Kpassagnon runs a 4.72, he is going to be an impressive beast as he matures. Thats Geno Atkins quickness only a half foot taller.

There are more of the same as we got, could be better DE's all down this draft.
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Re: "The Bucs surprisingly select ___ "

Postby mdb1958 » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:48 am

Getting Poe in 2012 would have been much like a lot of discussion in Buczone, a huge waste of valuable resources... (would be my guess)
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Re: "The Bucs surprisingly select ___ "

Postby Naismith » Sun Jan 22, 2017 12:20 pm

mdb1958 wrote:Getting Poe in 2012 would have been much like a lot of discussion in Buczone, a huge waste of valuable resources... (would be my guess)


Not sure how that could have been the case considering McCoy just came off his second IR'ed season and Brian Price was traded in the offseason. It might have felt that way since they just used two premium picks on DTs a few seasons before. Plus, the difference between now and then is now, you've seen how Poe will play in the NFL whereas then, you're projecting.
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Re: "The Bucs surprisingly select ___ "

Postby mdb1958 » Sun Jan 22, 2017 1:41 pm

Naismith wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:Getting Poe in 2012 would have been much like a lot of discussion in Buczone, a huge waste of valuable resources... (would be my guess)


Not sure how that could have been the case considering McCoy just came off his second IR'ed season and Brian Price was traded in the offseason. It might have felt that way since they just used two premium picks on DTs a few seasons before. Plus, the difference between now and then is now, you've seen how Poe will play in the NFL whereas then, you're projecting.



Brian Price never played for anyone but us and it was after he smacked Barron in the mouth when we medically gave up on him. The only DT we have drafted since then was Akeem Smith.
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Re: "The Bucs surprisingly select ___ "

Postby GameTime » Sun Jan 22, 2017 3:45 pm

Super K wrote:
GameTime wrote:If you pressure the QB, the DBs dont have to be as good. And no matter how good a DB is, he will eventually get beat with time. Id rather see a DL.


While I agree, this is changing as the league is moving more and more towards quicker routes/quicker QB releases..

It can be compensated for by teams playing different defensive schemes, more press man etc...but listening to a radio show the other day, they state that 5-6 of the best QB'S this year got rid of the ball in less than 3 seconds..no pass rush is getting there that quick...

You've got to have talent on the backend in today's NFL...
you gotta have talent across the board, thats for sure. I just think its easier to coach it up at DB - especially if you are only asking them to cover for less than 3 seconds!

I dont care who we draft, its easy to get excited for anyone who doesnt kick the ball.
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Re: "The Bucs surprisingly select ___ "

Postby Sammich » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:26 pm

mdb1958 wrote:
Super K wrote:
The DT's ARE weak..hence the discussion in TD as to why we should aggressively address it in FA...


So is all the terminology, when Poe could have been drafted by a 4-3 team everybody would have argued against it - and now - when its a huge pay day involved everyone is for it - go figure. Why would we pick Poe when we had Roy Miller - LOL

There are going to be some good DE's in this draft, I cant wait to see their numbers at the combine. We have a lot of quick enough, not quite strong enough DE's, and none are super priced as of yet. What we dont have is big, quick, and powerful bookends. If Walter is right and Kpassagnon runs a 4.72, he is going to be an impressive beast as he matures. Thats Geno Atkins quickness only a half foot taller.

There are more of the same as we got, could be better DE's all down this draft.



Hate on Poe all you like, but there is a reason a nose tackle went 11th overall in the draft and only fell as far as he did because that same draft had guys like Andrew Luck, RG3, Trent Richardson, and Luke Kuechly. Also keep in mind that not every 43 team runs a NT/UT front like we do. I am sure most everyone would have rather us taken Poe than the guy we did take- Mark Barron.
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Re: "The Bucs surprisingly select ___ "

Postby mdb1958 » Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:43 am

Sammich, I'm not hating on him. I'm just saying if we picked him up I would be disappointed if he gave us what he has been doing the last two years.
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Re: "The Bucs surprisingly select ___ "

Postby GameTime » Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:22 am

I could get excited over poe. But is he exceptional at what he is asked to do? I really havent watched him so we get caught up in his measurablees and draft status. Just wonder if the big contract wouldnt be better served elsewhere.
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Re: "The Bucs surprisingly select ___ "

Postby Naismith » Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:41 am

GameTime wrote:I could get excited over poe. But is he exceptional at what he is asked to do? I really havent watched him so we get caught up in his measurablees and draft status. Just wonder if the big contract wouldnt be better served elsewhere.


I saw a comparison of Poe vs his backup on twitter earlier in the year with regards to standing his ground vs the run game. Here was one of the gifs on Poe.

https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/sta ... 6326302721

Trying to find the backup, but the gist of it was Poe consistently standing up the double team vs his backup giving ground and creating holes for the run game.
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Re: "The Bucs surprisingly select ___ "

Postby Naismith » Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:45 am

Here's the article.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2016/12/1 ... hiefs-keep

It has the gif of Poe's backup that I was referring to in it, but here's the direct link.

https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/sta ... wsrc%5Etfw
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