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Re: Vita Vea

Postby Super K » Wed May 09, 2018 11:34 am

mdb1958 wrote:Before I even see him making plays for us (Vea), I think he would have made the Bronco defense better than he will the first year with us.

Why?
Easy, he has more to work with.

I dont see him as the finishing piece with us, we are going to have to add greatness into the mix with him. Fresh "greatness" if you will...

This group could surprise me and be a bunch of overachievers this year but still I look at it as short term. I hope we are blessed with the chance to add some super good talent around him in the next couple of years. Get ahead of the curve --- instead of constantly behind it.


I know we kick you in the crotch alot, but this is a heckuva post..

100% agree with you..
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Re: Vita Vea

Postby Buc2 » Wed May 09, 2018 11:46 am

mdb1958 wrote:Before I even see him making plays for us (Vea), I think he would have made the Bronco defense better than he will the first year with us.

Why?
Easy, he has more to work with.

I dont see him as the finishing piece with us, we are going to have to add greatness into the mix with him. Fresh "greatness" if you will...

This group could surprise me and be a bunch of overachievers this year but still I look at it as short term. I hope we are blessed with the chance to add some super good talent around him in the next couple of years. Get ahead of the curve --- instead of constantly behind it.

This times a thousand!
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Re: Vita Vea

Postby Heidguy » Wed May 09, 2018 11:49 am

Super K wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:Before I even see him making plays for us (Vea), I think he would have made the Bronco defense better than he will the first year with us.

Why?
Easy, he has more to work with.

I dont see him as the finishing piece with us, we are going to have to add greatness into the mix with him. Fresh "greatness" if you will...

This group could surprise me and be a bunch of overachievers this year but still I look at it as short term. I hope we are blessed with the chance to add some super good talent around him in the next couple of years. Get ahead of the curve --- instead of constantly behind it.


I know we kick you in the crotch alot, but this is a heckuva post..

100% agree with you..


Hell I thought I was seeing things, this absolutely is a very solid post! Given the person that posted it, I'd consider this post of the year at this point. You have to of course take into consideration his usual posts.
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Re: Vita Vea

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Wed May 09, 2018 4:53 pm

Mdb was high when he wrote that.
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Re: Vita Vea

Postby Hatter » Wed May 09, 2018 7:21 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:Mdb was high when he wrote that.


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Re: Vita Vea

Postby terrytate » Thu May 10, 2018 1:27 am

mdb1958 wrote:Before I even see him making plays for us (Vea), I think he would have made the Bronco defense better than he will the first year with us.

Why?
Easy, he has more to work with.

I dont see him as the finishing piece with us, we are going to have to add greatness into the mix with him. Fresh "greatness" if you will...

This group could surprise me and be a bunch of overachievers this year but still I look at it as short term. I hope we are blessed with the chance to add some super good talent around him in the next couple of years. Get ahead of the curve --- instead of constantly behind it.



Your post glosses over one fact. Our Dline IS a short term solution, Vea was the first step in a long term answer.

If all goes well, Vea will be the cornerstone of the Dline after McCoy hangs it up. We will obviously need more pass rushers to have plan B in place for when JPP and Curry start to fall of, but he we are in a good place now.

Besides, the Bronco's got Bradley Chubb. I don't think they are crying into their ham and eggs over missing out on Vea.
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Re: Vita Vea

Postby MJW » Thu May 10, 2018 2:22 am

terrytate wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:Before I even see him making plays for us (Vea), I think he would have made the Bronco defense better than he will the first year with us.

Why?
Easy, he has more to work with.

I dont see him as the finishing piece with us, we are going to have to add greatness into the mix with him. Fresh "greatness" if you will...

This group could surprise me and be a bunch of overachievers this year but still I look at it as short term. I hope we are blessed with the chance to add some super good talent around him in the next couple of years. Get ahead of the curve --- instead of constantly behind it.



Your post glosses over one fact. Our Dline IS a short term solution, Vea was the first step in a long term answer.

If all goes well, Vea will be the cornerstone of the Dline after McCoy hangs it up. We will obviously need more pass rushers to have plan B in place for when JPP and Curry start to fall of, but he we are in a good place now.

Besides, the Bronco's got Bradley Chubb. I don't think they are crying into their ham and eggs over missing out on Vea.


Putting aside the players themselves (whether they hit or bust, etc), you really never find yourself saying, "Damn, we have too many good defensive linemen, we should have used that pick somewhere else!" My favorite pick of the 1st round was the Jaguars saying, "We have Malik Jackson, Calais Campbell, Dante Fowler, Yannick Ngakoue, Marcel Dareus, etc...let's draft Taven Bryan! They could have done the obvious thing. Plugged in a slot corner. Added a talented receiver. A top tight end. Even an heir to Bortles. Nope. They saw a mad dog defensive lineman and pulled the trigger. Good on them.

The "Copying the Eagles" schtick is everywhere, but it's been a sound strategy since way before four months ago.
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Re: Vita Vea

Postby terrytate » Fri May 11, 2018 8:41 am

MJW wrote:
terrytate wrote:

Your post glosses over one fact. Our Dline IS a short term solution, Vea was the first step in a long term answer.

If all goes well, Vea will be the cornerstone of the Dline after McCoy hangs it up. We will obviously need more pass rushers to have plan B in place for when JPP and Curry start to fall of, but he we are in a good place now.

Besides, the Bronco's got Bradley Chubb. I don't think they are crying into their ham and eggs over missing out on Vea.


Putting aside the players themselves (whether they hit or bust, etc), you really never find yourself saying, "Damn, we have too many good defensive linemen, we should have used that pick somewhere else!" My favorite pick of the 1st round was the Jaguars saying, "We have Malik Jackson, Calais Campbell, Dante Fowler, Yannick Ngakoue, Marcel Dareus, etc...let's draft Taven Bryan! They could have done the obvious thing. Plugged in a slot corner. Added a talented receiver. A top tight end. Even an heir to Bortles. Nope. They saw a mad dog defensive lineman and pulled the trigger. Good on them.

The "Copying the Eagles" schtick is everywhere, but it's been a sound strategy since way before four months ago.


Agreed. Even though I had a big mancrush on James, I got over it pretty quick with Vea. I have a much better feeling about him than I have about any defensive lineman we've drafted since McCoy.
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Re: Vita Vea

Postby DreadNaught » Fri May 11, 2018 9:18 am

Vea (hopefully) gives the Bucs a young cornerstone DT for the next decade to build around. We have the depth right now w/ McCoy, JPP, Curry to potentially be a damn good Dline for 2-3 years, so the pressure isn't on Vea year 1 to be an All-Pro.

I'll say this, we have some really good pieces in place along the Dline. Couple that with Jameis hopefully taking the next step in his young career and you have imo the two most important things in football which are a good QB and dominate Dline. I can't remember too many bad teams that are good-great in those two areas. The Giants of last season come to mind, but I think they are more the exception than the rule.

It's all on paper right and up to the players and coaches to make it happen. But I can't really knock the Vea pick or what Licht has done this offseason. He's done a fantastic job addressing the roster this offseason without mortgaging the future.
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Re: Vita Vea

Postby Cheb » Fri May 11, 2018 10:04 am

terrytate wrote:
MJW wrote:
Putting aside the players themselves (whether they hit or bust, etc), you really never find yourself saying, "Damn, we have too many good defensive linemen, we should have used that pick somewhere else!" My favorite pick of the 1st round was the Jaguars saying, "We have Malik Jackson, Calais Campbell, Dante Fowler, Yannick Ngakoue, Marcel Dareus, etc...let's draft Taven Bryan! They could have done the obvious thing. Plugged in a slot corner. Added a talented receiver. A top tight end. Even an heir to Bortles. Nope. They saw a mad dog defensive lineman and pulled the trigger. Good on them.

The "Copying the Eagles" schtick is everywhere, but it's been a sound strategy since way before four months ago.


Agreed. Even though I had a big mancrush on James, I got over it pretty quick with Vea. I have a much better feeling about him than I have about any defensive lineman we've drafted since McCoy.


I agree with that, and it isn't even close. I think he can be the next Linval Joseph. He may never get more than five sacks a season, but if he works on his craft (specifically pad height, hand usage, and consistent rush plans), he could be a very good football player.
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Re: Vita Vea

Postby Doctor » Mon May 21, 2018 9:00 am

The thing is that you are never "set" at DL and the moment you think you are is when it starts to fall apart. It's incredibly difficult to maintain a dominant trench for more than a window. Besides your usual ageing, you have other positions that need to be addressed, you have guys looking for huge paydays, you guys making dumb decisions, you have great players you refuse to pay because you have a promising youngster right behind him for far less, the but youngster turns into a dud. And more so than other positions, DL is incredibly co-dependent and one piece can take everyone up a notch to probowlers or down a notch to duds.
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Re: Vita Vea

Postby mdb1958 » Tue May 22, 2018 5:16 pm

McCoy's nickname for Vea


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