Alpha wrote:Doctor wrote:Your floor s very generous. I say his floor is Reggie Bush, maybe CJ Spiller.
There is absolutely ZERO evidence (thus far) to support this claim...other than supposition.
That said...I tend to agree with MJ here. WHERE we're selecting, I'd pass on ANY RB that isn't a bona fide stud (and neither Cook nor McC are).
This draft reeks of 2013 to me. Having my druthers, I'd trade this entire draft away for picks next year.
Where is Ditka when you need him?
MJW wrote:I think this is a great draft if we decide we want a DB, or a TE, or an edge, and a lossssy draft if we want anything else. I think we'll probably take one of those three spots eventually and be merry.
BradC wrote:MJW wrote:I think this is a great draft if we decide we want a DB, or a TE, or an edge, and a lossssy draft if we want anything else. I think we'll probably take one of those three spots eventually and be merry.
If we go DB in the first and it's not Adams, I'm going to be pissed. Well perhaps not pissed, but disappointed. Adams is the closest to a 'sure thing' and I believe he is a safe pick. Lattimore and Hooker are one-year wonders. Not saying they won't continue their success, but they just don't have enough of a sample size for me to be thrilled about the pick. And, with Hooker coming off two surgeries and Lattimore's hamstring concerns, that has me even more hesitant or cautious.
Even with Sydney Jones tearing his Achilles, I still think this is one of the deepest drafts at DB and that we should wait until the second or third to draft a DB not named Adams.
I'm all for Howard though, if he's there. He's going to be a stud.
With that said, my first choice is still Corey Davis. I think he's going to be a beast and one of the NFL's best receivers in 3-4 years. Outside of Garrett (and a healthy Jonathan Allen), I think he's the best player in this draft IMHO. Unless he goes to a team with a **** QB, he's going to be a star.
mdb1958 wrote:BradC wrote:
If we go DB in the first and it's not Adams, I'm going to be pissed. Well perhaps not pissed, but disappointed. Adams is the closest to a 'sure thing' and I believe he is a safe pick. Lattimore and Hooker are one-year wonders. Not saying they won't continue their success, but they just don't have enough of a sample size for me to be thrilled about the pick. And, with Hooker coming off two surgeries and Lattimore's hamstring concerns, that has me even more hesitant or cautious.
Even with Sydney Jones tearing his Achilles, I still think this is one of the deepest drafts at DB and that we should wait until the second or third to draft a DB not named Adams.
I'm all for Howard though, if he's there. He's going to be a stud.
With that said, my first choice is still Corey Davis. I think he's going to be a beast and one of the NFL's best receivers in 3-4 years. Outside of Garrett (and a healthy Jonathan Allen), I think he's the best player in this draft IMHO. Unless he goes to a team with a **** QB, he's going to be a star.
The problem with your post is 18 teams arent even going to let you wave good bye to the player you hoped you would get.
Bootz2004 wrote:mdb1958 wrote:
The problem with your post is 18 teams arent even going to let you wave good bye to the player you hoped you would get.
The player we hope to get will be drafted 18 times? Good stuff.
Bootz2004 wrote:mdb1958 wrote:
The problem with your post is 18 teams arent even going to let you wave good bye to the player you hoped you would get.
The player we hope to get will be drafted 18 times? Good stuff.
Brazen331 wrote:Alpha wrote:
There is absolutely ZERO evidence (thus far) to support this claim...other than supposition.
That said...I tend to agree with MJ here. WHERE we're selecting, I'd pass on ANY RB that isn't a bona fide stud (and neither Cook nor McC are).
This draft reeks of 2013 to me. Having my druthers, I'd trade this entire draft away for picks next year.
Where is Ditka when you need him?
So in this post you want to pass on Cook and McCaffrey because neither is enough of a bona fide stud to take at 19. Makes sense. But in the post you made right before this you said CM's floor is Westbrook and his ceiling is Tomlinson. I'd sure like to know how studly a RB has to be to worthy of being picked at 19 according to you?
Does their floor have to be Adrian Peterson and their ceiling Jim Brown? I must say, you don't talk football anywhere near as well as you talk hockey.
MJW wrote:I think this is a great draft if we decide we want a DB, or a TE, or an edge, and a lossssy draft if we want anything else. I think we'll probably take one of those three spots eventually and be merry.
Alpha wrote:Doctor wrote:Your floor s very generous. I say his floor is Reggie Bush, maybe CJ Spiller.
There is absolutely ZERO evidence (thus far) to support this claim...other than supposition.
That said...I tend to agree with MJ here. WHERE we're selecting, I'd pass on ANY RB that isn't a bona fide stud (and neither Cook nor McC are).
This draft reeks of 2013 to me. Having my druthers, I'd trade this entire draft away for picks next year.
Where is Ditka when you need him?
mdb1958 wrote:I gotta give Alpha credit, atleast he isnt talking about drafting one of the top 7 picks in the draft - he is actually looking below the 19th pick to see who we could consider. There are atleast 7 players ranked top 18 that I dont even care if we get. A smart drafter is going to do his homework on picks 19 thru 50 and if I did a quick check I'm sure I could eliminate a few of those rather quickly.
Teitan wrote:mdb1958 wrote:I gotta give Alpha credit, atleast he isnt talking about drafting one of the top 7 picks in the draft - he is actually looking below the 19th pick to see who we could consider. There are atleast 7 players ranked top 18 that I dont even care if we get. A smart drafter is going to do his homework on picks 19 thru 50 and if I did a quick check I'm sure I could eliminate a few of those rather quickly.
Except you are "looking into players below the 19th pick" based on other people's/sites rankings. Teams have to establish their own big board. Which means "Top 19" is different for every team. So smart drafters (NFL front offices, not message board posters) are going to do their homework on all available players.
Doctor wrote:Alpha wrote:
There is absolutely ZERO evidence (thus far) to support this claim...other than supposition.
That said...I tend to agree with MJ here. WHERE we're selecting, I'd pass on ANY RB that isn't a bona fide stud (and neither Cook nor McC are).
This draft reeks of 2013 to me. Having my druthers, I'd trade this entire draft away for picks next year.
Where is Ditka when you need him?
There's no evidence of anything given they haven't played in the NFL yet.
The "evidence" if the fact of similar players before them getting a reality check in the league. There was no "evidence" that Bush would be as lame as he was, but yet he was. McC is quick and talented, but so is every player he'll play against in the NFL. And he's not great at breaking tackles or getting much after contact, and in the NFL you're going to get contacted far faster and more often than you were in college.
mdb1958 wrote:Between 20 and 84 how many players do you see that you really wished could be a part of our team, pick 2 of them and show me who we left out.
What Bucs absolutely should not do in draft's first round
Tom Jones, Times Sports Columnist
Tuesday, April 25, 2017 3:24pm
At approximately 10:30 Thursday night, commissioner Roger Goodell is expected to walk to the podium at the NFL draft holding a card that announces which player the Bucs will select with the 19th pick.
Many Bucs fans are hoping for Florida State running back Dalvin Cook. Mock drafts galore have Cook going to Tampa Bay. And if not Cook, there's a pie-in-the-sky dream that LSU's Leonard Fournette or Stanford's Christian McCaffrey lands here.
After all, the Bucs look like they need a running back, and this draft has plenty of good ones.
So let's say no team takes a running back in the first 18 picks and the Bucs have their choice of every back in the land. Which one should they take?
None of them.
Taking a running back in the first round is just not smart.
Plenty will disagree with that theory, and history has its share of first-round picks who went on to be sensational running backs with long careers. Emmitt Smith, Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, LaDainian Tomlinson, Eric Dickerson, Tony Dorsett — all first-round picks.
But in today's game, with an emphasis on throwing the ball, with a shorter shelf life for backs, with specialized backs, with so many backs available to be acquired outside the first round, the top of the draft should be used for something other than running back.
Defensive line. Offensive line. Cornerback. Linebacker. Those are hard positions to fill. Typically, you need to draft those players and draft them high.
Elite left tackles, star defensive tackles, shutdown corners — those guys are hard to find in free agency. If they're good, their teams don't let them make it to free agency. If they're really good, they aren't waiting to be picked late in the draft.
But running back? Times have changed. Spending a high draft pick to get one is not necessary.
Story continued...
@AdamSchefter
Buccaneers are talking with at least three teams about moving back in 1st round, and maybe even out of first round altogether, per source.
DreadNaught wrote:**** Tom Jones..
Anyways, Schefty is reporting the Bucs are in contact w/ atleast 3 teams about moving back, possibly out of the round 1 altogether.@AdamSchefter
Buccaneers are talking with at least three teams about moving back in 1st round, and maybe even out of first round altogether, per source.
Teitan wrote:Very interesting situation. This is a very good 1st round draft. They must have a few round 2 guys they are hot for
DreadNaught wrote:**** Tom Jones..
Anyways, Schefty is reporting the Bucs are in contact w/ atleast 3 teams about moving back, possibly out of the round 1 altogether.@AdamSchefter
Buccaneers are talking with at least three teams about moving back in 1st round, and maybe even out of first round altogether, per source.
Buc2 wrote:DreadNaught wrote:**** Tom Jones..
Anyways, Schefty is reporting the Bucs are in contact w/ atleast 3 teams about moving back, possibly out of the round 1 altogether.
I hope his source isn't that dude from the old board, Secret Scout.
Watchout4Bucs wrote:Teitan wrote:Very interesting situation. This is a very good 1st round draft. They must have a few round 2 guys they are hot for
Godwin, Obi, and Rivers are all guys I have read they like.
DreadNaught wrote:**** Tom Jones..
Anyways, Schefty is reporting the Bucs are in contact w/ atleast 3 teams about moving back, possibly out of the round 1 altogether.@AdamSchefter
Buccaneers are talking with at least three teams about moving back in 1st round, and maybe even out of first round altogether, per source.
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