Mariota or Winston?

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What will Lovie do with #1 Pick?

Jameis Winston
62
50%
Marcus Mariota
27
22%
No preference as long as it's MM or JW
16
13%
Defensive Line
2
2%
Offensive Line
3
2%
Other
1
1%
Trade Down
13
10%
 
Total votes : 124

Re: Mariota or Winston?

Postby Zarniwoop » Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:33 pm

This is silly.

Of course you can compare young QBs now. And of course those ratings can change as the years go by. Both these seem self evident to me

Right now it would be

Wentz
Goff/Winston
Mariota
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Re: Mariota or Winston?

Postby Bootz2004 » Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:41 pm

Nice to know now that QBs are only judged by a handful of games and not their entire body of work. There's absolutely no way you can look at the 3 years Winston and Mariota have and the 2 years Wentz and Goff have and come to the conclusion that Wentz or Goff are better. Thats the prime example of short sighted.
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Re: Mariota or Winston?

Postby Zarniwoop » Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:47 pm

Bootz2004 wrote:Nice to know now that QBs are only judged by a handful of games and not their entire body of work.


They have about 140 games between them. That’s a bit more than a handful

But carry on
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Re: Mariota or Winston?

Postby Bootz2004 » Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:53 pm

Zarniwoop wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:Nice to know now that QBs are only judged by a handful of games and not their entire body of work.


They have about 140 games between them. That’s a bit more than a handful

But carry on


That's my point. No way you come to the conclusion that Wentz or Goff are better if you're taking all 140 games into account. People are ONLY taking a handful into account aka this season alone.
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Re: Mariota or Winston?

Postby Super K » Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:59 pm

Bootz2004 wrote:
Zarniwoop wrote:
They have about 140 games between them. That’s a bit more than a handful

But carry on


That's my point. No way you come to the conclusion that Wentz or Goff are better if you're taking all 140 games into account. People are ONLY taking a handful into account aka this season alone.


I'd agree with that...

When it comes to Wentz and Goff, it's as if their rookie seasons don't count/didn't matter...
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Re: Mariota or Winston?

Postby Zarniwoop » Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:03 pm

Of course they matter.




Look at it this way .... if you ask 32 head coaches, 32 offensive coordinators , 32 GMs and 32 owners who they would want, it would not be a 25/25/25/25 split.

As such, you can make a claim that some have performed better than others .... again, it doesn’t mean that ranking will stay like that forever. If next year Webtz goes 0-16 with a 42.6 QB rating, he won’t stay #1
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Re: Mariota or Winston?

Postby Ken Carson » Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:02 pm

uscbucsfan wrote:Rodgers was considered a bust?

Bust may not be the right word, but Packers fans hated him in 2008. You can look up their nonsense if you have spare time, but they were 6-10 and if you asked them why it was because Rodgers cared more about his numbers than winning. He was accused of taking sacks to protect his completion percentage and INTs.
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Re: Mariota or Winston?

Postby Deja Entendu » Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:56 pm

Ken Carson wrote:Deja, you live in Philly, too?

Wentz is a god right now here. Every Eagles fan is convinced they win the Lombardi by 4 TDs with him (think Cowboys vs Bills).


Yep, I'm in South Philly down by the stadiums. You too? I didn't know there were any other Philly posters on the boards.

And, yes, he is. It's crazy to see sometime actually.

The excitement level surrounding the QBs by the franchise and fan base was what I addressed, not whom is better. It ain't close.
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Re: Mariota or Winston?

Postby Deja Entendu » Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:59 pm

Super K wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:
That's my point. No way you come to the conclusion that Wentz or Goff are better if you're taking all 140 games into account. People are ONLY taking a handful into account aka this season alone.


I'd agree with that...

When it comes to Wentz and Goff, it's as if their rookie seasons don't count/didn't matter...


I'd say this applies to Goff, but Wentz had a very promising rookie season.

It's definitely way too early to say who will become the best, but safe money would be on Wentz or Winston.
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Re: Mariota or Winston?

Postby Deja Entendu » Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:06 pm

MJW wrote:I agree, the book isn't written on any of these guys yet. It's probably safe now to "close the book" on the 2013 class. But even the 2014 class is still sorting itself out.

That said, in January of 2018, the 2016 class is beating the 2015 class on the curve. For the 19th time, maybe that changes.


The 2013 Class doesn't have a book to close, more like drunken scribbles on a cocktail napkin. And, yes, it's safe to ball that up and toss it away.
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Re: Mariota or Winston?

Postby PrimeMinister » Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:07 pm

Deja Entendu wrote:
Super K wrote:
I'd agree with that...

When it comes to Wentz and Goff, it's as if their rookie seasons don't count/didn't matter...


I'd say this applies to Goff, but Wentz had a very promising rookie season.

It's definitely way too early to say who will become the best, but safe money would be on Wentz or Winston.


This.

I don’t see Mariota or Goff being in the same class as Winston or Wentz. Long term I think Winston will be better than any of them though.
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Re: Mariota or Winston?

Postby Ken Carson » Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:24 am

Deja Entendu wrote:
Ken Carson wrote:Deja, you live in Philly, too?

Wentz is a god right now here. Every Eagles fan is convinced they win the Lombardi by 4 TDs with him (think Cowboys vs Bills).


Yep, I'm in South Philly down by the stadiums. You too? I didn't know there were any other Philly posters on the boards.

And, yes, he is. It's crazy to see sometime actually.

The excitement level surrounding the QBs by the franchise and fan base was what I addressed, not whom is better. It ain't close.


I live in Pennsport by all the Mummers clubs. I was jus at Xfinity Live for a work event so I was really close to you.
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Re: Mariota or Winston?

Postby Deja Entendu » Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:15 am

Ken Carson wrote:
Deja Entendu wrote:
Yep, I'm in South Philly down by the stadiums. You too? I didn't know there were any other Philly posters on the boards.

And, yes, he is. It's crazy to see sometime actually.

The excitement level surrounding the QBs by the franchise and fan base was what I addressed, not whom is better. It ain't close.


I live in Pennsport by all the Mummers clubs. I was jus at Xfinity Live for a work event so I was really close to you.


Small world. I just had lunch with a buddy at Moonshine on Moyamensing last week.
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Re: Mariota or Winston?

Postby Ken Carson » Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:22 am

I prefer The Dutch, but I've been to both.
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Re: Mariota or Winston?

Postby MJW » Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:27 am

Deja Entendu wrote:
MJW wrote:I agree, the book isn't written on any of these guys yet. It's probably safe now to "close the book" on the 2013 class. But even the 2014 class is still sorting itself out.

That said, in January of 2018, the 2016 class is beating the 2015 class on the curve. For the 19th time, maybe that changes.


The 2013 Class doesn't have a book to close, more like drunken scribbles on a cocktail napkin. And, yes, it's safe to ball that up and toss it away.


Man...I just looked it over...the best QB from that class (or at least the best CAREER) is Mike Glennon, and it's not even really close unless you're a Geno Smith fetishist. Usually even the worst classes produce one or two starting NFL QBs.
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