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Re: 2020 Seminole Football

Postby DreadNaught » Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:28 pm

Noles1724 wrote:
Snake wrote:If Dungy guilting his son into suicide doesn’t make him a douche...idk man.

And I thought Gruden was known for being a two-faced douche in Tampa.


wow.. really going there uh?

Consider the source.
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Re: 2020 Seminole Football

Postby Kress » Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:06 pm

Have you ever read one of those statements that you can't even be upset about it, because it's just so asinine that it implodes upon itself? It just instantaneously erases itself from legitimate conversation?
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Re: 2020 Seminole Football

Postby deltbucs » Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:52 pm

DreadNaught wrote:
Noles1724 wrote:
wow.. really going there uh?

Consider the source.

Yeah...let's not forget about Dawgland Snake's history around here...
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Re: 2020 Seminole Football

Postby Deuce » Tue Nov 12, 2019 3:47 pm

deltbucs wrote:
DreadNaught wrote:Consider the source.

Yeah...let's not forget about Dawgland Snake's history around here...


whaaaaaaat...I swear I miss so much of the good stuff going on around here.
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Re: 2020 Seminole Football

Postby Snake » Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:02 pm

Damnit Delt
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Re: 2020 Seminole Football

Postby Brazen331 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:39 pm

There are rumors that FSU President John Thrasher is traveling to meet with Stoops today.
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Re: 2020 Seminole Football

Postby Nano » Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:54 pm

Adam Rittenberg ESPN Senior Writer

A source with direct knowledge of Florida State's coaching search tells me former Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops is not a candidate for the job. What Stoops said last week about his situation remains true. FSU still working through candidates/interviews, hopes to make a hire relatively soon.
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Re: 2020 Seminole Football

Postby Phantom Phenom » Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:06 pm

Brazen331 wrote:There are rumors that FSU President John Thrasher is traveling to meet with Stoops today.


LOL!!!
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Re: 2020 Seminole Football

Postby Snake » Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:59 pm

Fickell’s name is being rumored. That would be a home run imo.
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Re: 2020 Seminole Football

Postby Phantom Phenom » Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:06 pm

Cross Bob Stoops off the list of potential FSU football coaches search


Up next: Mike Norvell
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Re: 2020 Seminole Football

Postby Buc2 » Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:42 pm

Things are about to get a whole lot messier.

Willie Taggart never signed a final contract. Here’s why it could matter

Willie Taggart spent his entire Florida State tenure —from his hiring on Dec. 5, 2017 to his firing on Nov. 3 of this year — without ever signing a final contract. [MARK WALLHEISER | AP]
On the day Florida State hired Willie Taggart as its football coach, the Seminoles typed up a nine-page letter of agreement.

The letter called itself a binding document, but it was meant to be a placeholder until the two sides finalized a formal contract, which they intended to do “as soon as practicable.”

That never happened.

Taggart spent his entire Seminoles tenure —from his hiring on Dec. 5, 2017 to his firing on Nov. 3 of this year — without ever signing a contract beyond the initial letter. according to FSU.

“This is highly uncommon — a letter of intent or agreement without a formalized contract,” said Martin J. Greenberg, a Wisconsin-based attorney who founded Marquette University’s National Sports Law Institute. “It creates nothing but legal issues.”

Those issues have the potential to linger even after Taggart’s dismissal and could affect discussions over his eight-figure buyout, according to experts who analyzed the document at the request of the Tampa Bay Times.

The obvious problem of not having a formal contract is that, well, there’s not a formal contract. The initial letter of agreement alludes to a future deal four separate times. The fact that it was never executed, Greenberg said, could allow one side to argue that Taggart was merely an at-will employee.

That’s what Kentucky did a decade ago with basketball coach Billy Gillispie. When the Wildcats fired Gillispie in 2009 after two seasons (sound familiar?), they argued they didn’t have to pay his buyout because he never signed a formal contract, aside from their initial memo of understanding.

Gillispie sued. Kentucky countersued. After almost five months of legal back-and-forth, Kentucky agreed to pay Gillispie almost $3 million — about half of what he claimed he was owed.

Taggart’s buyout is about six times what Kentucky paid Gillispie, but there’s a catch. FSU’s payment will be offset if Taggart secures “subsequent employment” before the term ends in early 2024.

That leads to a second potential issue, said Matt Wilson, who has researched coaching contracts for years.

“What defines subsequent employment?” said Wilson, Embry-Riddle’s senior director of development for athletics.

In some formal contracts, that term is clear. Jim McElwain’s buyout at Florida would only be offset if he took another SEC job. Al Golden’s deal at Miami called for an offset if he took another job as a broadcaster or college or pro coach. But Taggart’s letter is open-ended.

“What that says to me is any damn job you get, whether it’s being an insurance salesman or pumping gas, is an offset,” said Greenberg, whose previous clients have included former Georgia coach Mark Richt.

The final potential issue could have been the biggest but is probably moot. If FSU fired Taggart without cause, it would owe him 85 percent of what’s left on his six-year, $30 million deal. But if the Seminoles terminated his employment for cause, they’d owe him nothing.

The problem: FSU’s letter is vague about what “for cause” means.

Most coaching contracts have a page or two of possible reasons to terminate employment without owing a buyout. The Seminoles’ contract with offensive coordinator Kendal Briles list 15 examples. Dan Mullen’s contract at Florida spends more than four pages on the issue.

Taggart’s deal has this: “the grounds include but are not limited to serious violation(s) of NCAA, ACC or rules and regulations or serious personal misconduct.”

“You’ve got this type of gray area,” Wilson said. “He’s kind of open and exposed, and in some regards the university is open and exposed, too, by not having the formal breakdown — especially when you’re talking about that kind of money here.”

That kind of money, remember, is about $18 million.

To be clear, FSU officials have never given any indication that they fired Taggart for cause. But athletic director David Coburn did say “decisions have to be made” surrounding Taggart’s buyout.

“It has not been finalized,” Coburn said a day after firing Taggart. “We’ll be in discussions on that for a while one would imagine.”
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Re: 2020 Seminole Football

Postby NavyBuc » Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:03 pm

Phantom Phenom wrote:Cross Bob Stoops off the list of potential FSU football coaches search


Up next: Mike Norvell


Any updates on their search? Heard Rhule and Campbell’s name today come up listening on radio. Still think it will be Mark Stoops in the end.
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Re: 2020 Seminole Football

Postby Phantom Phenom » Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:56 am

NavyBuc wrote:
Phantom Phenom wrote:Cross Bob Stoops off the list of potential FSU football coaches search


Up next: Mike Norvell


Any updates on their search? Heard Rhule and Campbell’s name today come up listening on radio. Still think it will be Mark Stoops in the end.



Mark Stoops said he doesn’t think he’s the candidate for FSU coaching search. They’re looking for high tier coach.

Last I heard, they’re looking at James Franklin. I don’t think he’s leaving Penn State for FSU.

Matt Campbell is an excellent coach and he’ll do well in Tally if hired

Mike Norvell prefers FSU over Arkansas opening.
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Re: 2020 Seminole Football

Postby uscbucsfan » Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:01 am

On the radio here they said Matt Campbell was still the favorite.
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Re: 2020 Seminole Football

Postby Phantom Phenom » Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:05 am

uscbucsfan wrote:On the radio here they said Matt Campbell was still the favorite.



Yeah, I think he can turn the FSU football program around within a year
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Re: 2020 Seminole Football

Postby DreadNaught » Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:07 am

Is Willie Taggert available still? :twisted:
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Re: 2020 Seminole Football

Postby Phantom Phenom » Tue Nov 26, 2019 11:04 am

SportsLine

@SportsLine
The odds on the next head football coach at Florida State:

Matt Campbell +200
Mike Norvell +300
Odell Haggins +600
Mark Stoops +750
James Franklin +1200
Brian Kelly +1800
Jack Del Rio +2500

Via @SportsLine Oddsmakers
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Re: 2020 Seminole Football

Postby NavyBuc » Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:20 pm

Phantom Phenom wrote:
NavyBuc wrote:
Any updates on their search? Heard Rhule and Campbell’s name today come up listening on radio. Still think it will be Mark Stoops in the end.



Mark Stoops said he doesn’t think he’s the candidate for FSU coaching search. They’re looking for high tier coach.

Last I heard, they’re looking at James Franklin. I don’t think he’s leaving Penn State for FSU.

Matt Campbell is an excellent coach and he’ll do well in Tally if hired

Mike Norvell prefers FSU over Arkansas opening.


Campbell is an excellent coach, I agree. I thought Stoops would be a better fit and is a great HC as well, but Campbell would probably be my top choice.

The only reason I would see Franklin or Kelly leaving their schools is because it's easier to recruit at FSU. Kelly especially, you have to travel all over the country to bring in athletes to your school. And Kelly has to deal with academics. At FSU, you can focus most of your time in the state and don't have to deal with acadmic standards.
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Re: 2020 Seminole Football

Postby Phantom Phenom » Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:45 pm

Sources tell FootballScoop Lane Kiffin has been vetted, as has Indiana head coach Tom Allen. On campus, players are beginning to ask if Odell Haggins could be the next Ed Orgeron.
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Re: 2020 Seminole Football

Postby deltbucs » Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:41 pm

DreadNaught wrote:Is Willie Taggert available still? :twisted:

**** you!
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Re: 2020 Seminole Football

Postby deltbucs » Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:43 pm

Phantom Phenom wrote:
Sources tell FootballScoop Lane Kiffin has been vetted, as has Indiana head coach Tom Allen. On campus, players are beginning to ask if Odell Haggins could be the next Ed Orgeron.

If he pulls a win out of his ass on Saturday, it just might happen. He's done quite well as the interim HC both times.
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Re: 2020 Seminole Football

Postby Buc You » Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:52 am

deltbucs wrote:If he pulls a win out of his ass on Saturday, it just might happen. He's done quite well as the interim HC both times.

Did Willlllllie have ya'll hitting your heads against the wall that hard? You might want to see a doctor about that CTE.
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Re: 2020 Seminole Football

Postby Nano » Thu Nov 28, 2019 11:54 am

deltbucs wrote:
Phantom Phenom wrote:

If he pulls a win out of his ass on Saturday, it just might happen. He's done quite well as the interim HC both times.

If he beats Florida, he might as well get the contract pre-signed.
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Re: 2020 Seminole Football

Postby deltbucs » Fri Nov 29, 2019 8:58 am

Buc You wrote:
deltbucs wrote:If he pulls a win out of his ass on Saturday, it just might happen. He's done quite well as the interim HC both times.

Did Willlllllie have ya'll hitting your heads against the wall that hard? You might want to see a doctor about that CTE.

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Re: 2020 Seminole Football

Postby Phantom Phenom » Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:12 am

Brendan Sonnone from Noles247 reported that Franklin is high on the school’s list and that conversations “have resulted in mutual interest from Franklin
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Re: 2020 Seminole Football

Postby mdb1958 » Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:16 am

Kaindoh any good and how bad was his injury?
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Re: 2020 Seminole Football

Postby NavyBuc » Sat Nov 30, 2019 4:37 pm

Franklin would be a home run hire. It could be leverage to get more $$$ out of PSU, though.
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Re: 2020 Seminole Football

Postby Phantom Phenom » Sat Nov 30, 2019 4:47 pm

NavyBuc wrote:Franklin would be a home run hire. It could be leverage to get more $$$ out of PSU, though.



Agreed, for now it’s Franklin or Campbell.
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Re: 2020 Seminole Football

Postby NavyBuc » Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:25 am

A coach that I would go after that doesn’t get mentioned enough and I think will be a great college head coach...

Brent Venables
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Re: 2020 Seminole Football

Postby uscbucsfan » Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:28 am

NavyBuc wrote:A coach that I would go after that doesn’t get mentioned enough and I think will be a great college head coach...

Brett Venables

He doesn't get mentioned because he's pretty adamantly denied all openings to this point.

He publicly turned down interviews with UGA, Arkansas, and multiple other schools.
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