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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby real bucs fan » Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:55 am

There are no guarantees of anything happening lol what a stupid ****ing argument.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby Bootz2004 » Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:12 pm

real bucs fan wrote:There are no guarantees of anything happening lol what a stupid ****ing argument.


Yet you keep trying to tell us how quick and easy fixing a running game in the NFL will be. Make up your mind.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby real bucs fan » Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:17 pm

Bootz2004 wrote:
real bucs fan wrote:There are no guarantees of anything happening lol what a stupid ****ing argument.


Yet you keep trying to tell us how quick and easy fixing a running game in the NFL will be. Make up your mind.

Just because it's one of the easiest things to do, doesn't make it a guarantee... as there are no guarantees in anything.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby Bootz2004 » Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:19 pm

real bucs fan wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:
Yet you keep trying to tell us how quick and easy fixing a running game in the NFL will be. Make up your mind.

Just because it's one of the easiest things to do, doesn't make it a guarantee... as there are no guarantees in anything.


None of that is easy. What don't you get about it. Again if it were easy it wouldnt be a problem right now.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby mdb1958 » Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:44 pm

Jaylon Ferguson - now
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby mdb1958 » Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:49 pm

Tyquan Lewis - now
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby mdb1958 » Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:51 pm

Marcell Frazier - now
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby mdb1958 » Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:58 pm

How much usable weight can Tremaine Edmunds add to his frame.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby DreadNaught » Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:38 pm

From Dec 18th
DreadNaught wrote:Marcus Davenport - UTSA

I think this guy will have alot of hype come Feb-Mar and see his value increase on draft boards. Small school prospect, but NFL size and athleticism.



Yesterday
DreadNaught wrote:In regards to DE, I don't see Davenport making it past the top 20. The buzz is already building for that kid and it's just going to snowball as the process plays out. I wouldn't be surprised if he's a top 10 pick tbh.


Just mocked to the Bucs at 7 by NFLN's Daniel Jeremiah. It's time to really did into this guy and see how we feel about this possibility.

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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby DreadNaught » Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:39 pm

mdb1958 wrote:How much usable weight can Tremaine Edmunds add to his frame.


He's a off LOS LB. Think Anthony Barr. Love Edmunds as a prospect, but LB isn't one of the few positions I'm not really worried about on day 1 or 2.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby Kress » Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:14 pm

Is this where we discuss slot receivers?
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby Jason Bourne » Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:26 pm

Kress wrote:Is this where we discuss slot receivers?


we discuss TE's becoming Wide recievers :shock:
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby Nano » Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:36 pm

Let's go the Patriots approach: draft an undersized QB from the MAC and convert him to scrappy white WR
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby Kress » Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:42 pm

So which do you prefer, Whopper or Big Mac? I've never liked the Big Mac. Personally, I go McDonald's double cheese. But a Whopper is awesome as well. I take the Junior Whopper, because I don't want that big of a sandwich. But between the two, it's a conundrum.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby DreadNaught » Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:44 pm

Hardees Monster Burger ftw!!!

You can feel it clog your arteries while eating it.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby real bucs fan » Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:16 pm

Kress wrote:Is this where we discuss slot receivers?

That's here: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=167
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby mdb1958 » Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:45 am

Buczone

Uhh, yeah! Lets fix our defensive ends. Dont let mdb make us do his work for him though. Lets just talk about Chubb and keep real quiet - yeah, good idea.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby Jason Bourne » Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:51 am

mdb1958 wrote:Buczone

Uhh, yeah! Lets fix our defensive ends. Dont let mdb make us do his work for him though. Lets just talk about Chubb and keep real quiet - yeah, good idea.


You need a hug ?
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby Sammich » Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:50 pm

Bootz2004 wrote:Long term I think a defensw that can get opposing offenses off the field and the ball back into Jameis' hands will help him the most. While having a run game is ideal and very important, it's not the end all be all to winning football games. Jameis Winston doesn't NEED a top RB to be successful. He's more than talented enough to do that. But he does need help to win games. And the biggest help would be a defense. The goal is to win games and championships. Not hang with other offenses. If you can stop them you dont have to play shootout with them. This offense was 7th in total yardage WITHOUT the threat of a run game. Moving the ball isn't a problem with Jameis Winston. We just couldn't stop teams from scoring when we really needed to.


I'll add that to run the ball consistently you need enough of a defense to keep you in the game. You don't see much running from teams down 2 or more scores in the second half.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby DreadNaught » Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:01 pm

Taven Bryan from Florida is very impressive. A team will get him in the mid first and be glad they did. Phenomenal play strength almost never letting a guard control him. Able to shed easily and when he touches a ball carrier they go down.

Davenport has more upside. Plays with good, heavy hands on first contact keeping the Tackle off him. I'd like to see more moves from him though. He phyically dominates even vs top P5 schools. Gets north and south very well, don't see the same burst when he runs laterally. But that is ok. Reminds me of old Rams-Bucs DE Chris Carter when he was in college. Not quite as big, but Carter gained weight in the NFL like alot DEs that play a decade.

Key is the most athletic of the 3. But his best games were at 240. Doesn't play with near the strength of Davenport or Bryan. Lot's of questions a team has to figure out but lots of talent. Great first step and with his speed and length he's tough to block.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby Bootz2004 » Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:03 pm

Sammich wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:Long term I think a defensw that can get opposing offenses off the field and the ball back into Jameis' hands will help him the most. While having a run game is ideal and very important, it's not the end all be all to winning football games. Jameis Winston doesn't NEED a top RB to be successful. He's more than talented enough to do that. But he does need help to win games. And the biggest help would be a defense. The goal is to win games and championships. Not hang with other offenses. If you can stop them you dont have to play shootout with them. This offense was 7th in total yardage WITHOUT the threat of a run game. Moving the ball isn't a problem with Jameis Winston. We just couldn't stop teams from scoring when we really needed to.


I'll add that to run the ball consistently you need enough of a defense to keep you in the game. You don't see much running from teams down 2 or more scores in the second half.


Yep. Minnesota is the shining example of that concept this year. They aren't that good at running the ball but because their defense keeps the games close it allows them to stick with the run game. They average 32 carries a game, 2nd most in the league behind Jacksonville, but only 3.9 yards a carry. The high volume of carries wears defenses down.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby real bucs fan » Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:48 pm

If only we could draft the Vikings defence with that #7 pick....
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby Rocker » Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:11 pm

real bucs fan wrote:If only we could draft the Vikings defence with that #7 pick....


We can start.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby Bootz2004 » Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:13 pm

Rocker wrote:
real bucs fan wrote:If only we could draft the Vikings defence with that #7 pick....


We can start.


Yep....
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby real bucs fan » Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:53 pm

By reaching for a DL?
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby Bootz2004 » Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:43 pm

real bucs fan wrote:By reaching for a DL?


No by drafting one.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby Jason Bourne » Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:36 pm

Bootz2004 wrote:
real bucs fan wrote:By reaching for a DL?


No by drafting one.


Lol
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby mdb1958 » Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:46 pm

They say Marcus Martin's arms are to short to play defensive end in the NFL. He scored an offensive touchdown in the Shrine game.
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby mdb1958 » Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:58 pm

What do ya think! Can Sam Hubbard develop into something we would want?
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Re: Draft Watch: Defensive Ends

Postby Cheb » Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:52 pm

mdb1958 wrote:What do ya think! Can Sam Hubbard develop into something we would want?


Hubbard is interesting.

He has his pros. He's got size and good hands. He's obviously well coached. Nice motor, good pursuit, shows good instincts. He's been fairly productive on a very talented defense; 30 TFLs and 17 sacks for Ohio State in one season of sub work and two starting seasons.

However, he's never really put it all together to be a dominant talent. He misses plays better athletes would make. He has problems finishing. You could argue that he's athletically topped out. He makes alot of his hay against tight ends and running backs, which is alarming.

I've seen some places say he's a top 15 pick. I don't agree. I think he's a late second, maybe early third round talent. If he's there in the third, I wouldn't be too upset if we get him. While he isn't the passrushing superman we are all waiting for, he's a guy who can add good snaps to the rotation.

Good teams have guys like Hubbard.
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