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Draft Watch: OL

Postby Doctor » Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:27 pm

Outside of Nelson, there really aren't any elite OL in this draft, imo. There are however a plethora of good OL that can be developed and groomed. IMO, the inside OL of this draft class is particularly interesting.

Who are your favorite OL in this class?

I think we should be keeping a close eye on Will Hernandez from UTEP, the next Marpet- the guy was the bright spot of a winless team this year. Senior Bowl will be big for him. Also like Isaiah Wynn from Georgia is very versatile and *could* even play LT, though most have him somewhere inside. I think he's a huge talent that can help out anywhere on the line, helping us field our 5 best players. Orlando Brown could be another great pick if he slips into the early 2nd. IMO the best OT in the draft but he needs work too. A perfect Tunsil candidate that can grind his teeth inside before perhaps taking over somewhere outside- perhaps the heir to Dotson.
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Re: Draft Watch: OL

Postby DreadNaught » Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:55 pm

One of my favorite OTs so far is the kid from Western Michigan - Chukwuma Okorafor
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Re: Draft Watch: OL

Postby real bucs fan » Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:59 pm

While the cream of the crop is Nelson who's a guard, this is a tremendous OL class, best I've seen in years, at leats at the top. I think you have 3 first round guards in Nelson, Henderson and Price- all could be Pro Bowlers off the bat. You then also have 3 high upside OTs in Williams, Brown, and McGlinchey. All 3 are not finished products, but I think you see all 3 go in the top 20 and with some grooming and development can be quality NFL LT's.
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Re: Draft Watch: OL

Postby mdb1958 » Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:02 pm

So RBF, its one or none?
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Re: Draft Watch: OL

Postby Doctor » Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:07 pm

mdb1958 wrote:So RBF, its one or none?

I think he's saying the opposite. It's a great year for OL. What the class lacks in top-tier talent it makes up for in mass with second or third tier. Now don't confuse second tier to mean second rate. These are all talented guys, many of which will start week 1. We should have a heck of a group to choose from in round 2, even round 3, if OL is a direction we want to go.
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Re: Draft Watch: OL

Postby real bucs fan » Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:28 pm

Ya there isn't a Joe Thomas type blue chip LT prospect, but it's still a tremendous class. If one of those 6 guys I mentioned slipped towards the end of the first, I'd be all for trading up and securing the guy. But there is plenty of depth I think though I've only really looked at the 6 guys I mentioned. Took the Bama LG in the 3rd in my mini mock in the other thread. Haven't looked at him extensively, but he looks like a plug and play option at the least.
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Re: Draft Watch: OL

Postby mdb1958 » Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:43 pm

So six offensive linemen going in the first round! Are we getting one of them?
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Re: Draft Watch: OL

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Mon Dec 18, 2017 7:18 pm

Very good class of Guards and a couple of good centers too.

This class is stacked at linebacker and strong saftey.
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Re: Draft Watch: OL

Postby pewterpirates » Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:33 pm

Here's a name that I doubt anyone on this board knows about: Will House, a guard out of Southern Nazarene University (D2) — 6 foot 3, 315 pounds, 4.9 in the 40. He's a mauler.

He may climb up the draft board as far as going from an unknown to a late day 2 guy or early day 3 guy.

https://www.hudl.com/video/3/2110508/58 ... 10ec3b7f7f

Check him out.
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Re: Draft Watch: OL

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:36 pm

pewterpirates wrote:Here's a name that I doubt anyone on this board knows about: Will House, a guard out of Southern Nazarene University (D2) — 6 foot 3, 315 pounds, 4.9 in the 40. He's a mauler.

He may climb up the draft board as far as going from an unknown to a late day 2 guy or early day 3 guy.

https://www.hudl.com/video/3/2110508/58 ... 10ec3b7f7f

Check him out.

He has a lot of fun beating up and pancaking 240lb DT's. Pretty comical.
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Re: Draft Watch: OL

Postby beardmcdoug » Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:46 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
pewterpirates wrote:Here's a name that I doubt anyone on this board knows about: Will House, a guard out of Southern Nazarene University (D2) — 6 foot 3, 315 pounds, 4.9 in the 40. He's a mauler.

He may climb up the draft board as far as going from an unknown to a late day 2 guy or early day 3 guy.

https://www.hudl.com/video/3/2110508/58 ... 10ec3b7f7f

Check him out.

He has a lot of fun beating up and pancaking 240lb DT's. Pretty comical.


LOL he sure does.

Big boy can move though - great block running down field on that screen touchdown
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Re: Draft Watch: OL

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:49 pm

beardmcdoug wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:He has a lot of fun beating up and pancaking 240lb DT's. Pretty comical.


LOL he sure does.

Big boy can move though - great block running down field on that screen touchdown


He's as raw as fresh sushi though. He basically gets to bull rush the defender who's giving up 50+ lbs to him. Gerald would eat him alive.

Would totally bring him to rookie camp though.
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Re: Draft Watch: OL

Postby pewterpirates » Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:20 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
pewterpirates wrote:Here's a name that I doubt anyone on this board knows about: Will House, a guard out of Southern Nazarene University (D2) — 6 foot 3, 315 pounds, 4.9 in the 40. He's a mauler.

He may climb up the draft board as far as going from an unknown to a late day 2 guy or early day 3 guy.

https://www.hudl.com/video/3/2110508/58 ... 10ec3b7f7f

Check him out.

He has a lot of fun beating up and pancaking 240lb DT's. Pretty comical.


Just like Ali Marpet....
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Re: Draft Watch: OL

Postby mdb1958 » Tue Jan 09, 2018 2:27 pm

What about this guy


G MAEA TEUHEMA - SE LOUISIANA
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Re: Draft Watch: OL

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:27 pm

mdb1958 wrote:What about this guy


G MAEA TEUHEMA - SE LOUISIANA

Was at LSU and transferred due to academic probation. Haven't seen any film on him yet, but he was a pre-season all conference guy.
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Re: Draft Watch: OL

Postby mdb1958 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:41 am

I'm gonna go ahead and ask Cheb what it would mean if we got these two guards

Quenton Nelson, G, Notre Dame
Height: 6-5. Weight: 325.
Projected 40 Time: 5.15.
Projected Round (2018): Top-25.


Maea Teuhema*, G, Southeastern Louisiana
Height: 6-5. Weight: 315.
Projected 40 Time: 5.29.
Projected Round (2018): 2-3.

Pick them 1 and 3 and then go BPA #2 with my most ernest hope it wouldnt be a RB, maybe Dorance Armstrong or maybe some other exceptional DE,DT, or CB, or another player that would be a key piece of the puzzle on defense.

I just think the NFL is going to go after these defensive players like vultures and pick them fast. I would hope my plan would be the Bucs plan but all the other bastards are gonna ruin it unfortunately. The hang arounders will be question marks or time to develop players and even they will prolly get snatched up (my guess).

We always talk a good story about addressing the lines till we start drooling over all the other talent.

I guess DTG and anyone else can chime in too if they desire.
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Re: Draft Watch: OL

Postby MJW » Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:55 am

Y'all need to watch Hernandez from UTEP.
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Re: Draft Watch: OL

Postby mdb1958 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:13 am

MJW wrote:Y'all need to watch Hernandez from UTEP.



Ya'll is my word, I'm the only one on the outside looking in. I'm utterly surprised you have not figured that out yet. J/K, maybe. What would it mean MJW, with two plow horse guards...

2017 thoughts.

Koetter: can you get these guys right? (like get right is legal)

Warhop: its gonna take time, these defenses already know all these shat plays your forcing us to learn.

Koetter: what

Warhop: nuthin boss with a silent thought (why do they know them even before we learn them)
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Re: Draft Watch: OL

Postby Sammich » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:34 am

Voch Lombardi has a video up on Quenton Nelson is anybody is interested. That kid is gonna be a monster. If Chubb is off the board I think he'd be my pick.
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Re: Draft Watch: OL

Postby mdb1958 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:59 am

Sammich wrote:Voch Lombardi has a video up on Quenton Nelson is anybody is interested. That kid is gonna be a monster. If Chubb is off the board I think he'd be my pick.



And if you drafted two you could get rid of the 14 million you still owe Sweezy for being nothing special.
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Re: Draft Watch: OL

Postby Super K » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:15 pm

mdb1958 wrote:
Sammich wrote:Voch Lombardi has a video up on Quenton Nelson is anybody is interested. That kid is gonna be a monster. If Chubb is off the board I think he'd be my pick.



And if you drafted two you could get rid of the 14 million you still owe Sweezy for being nothing special.


Very true...

Or, we could look to add a new/different center and kick Marpet back to guard...

It doesn't have to be 2 guards or bust..
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Re: Draft Watch: OL

Postby Four Verticals » Sun Jan 14, 2018 1:09 am

mdb1958 wrote:
Sammich wrote:Voch Lombardi has a video up on Quenton Nelson is anybody is interested. That kid is gonna be a monster. If Chubb is off the board I think he'd be my pick.



And if you drafted two you could get rid of the 14 million you still owe Sweezy for being nothing special.


Sweezy's 2018 salary would be a little over $5 mil. The total remaining value of his deal is meaningless. He's basically on a one year deal throught the end of the contract.
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Re: Draft Watch: OL

Postby mdb1958 » Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:51 am

Four Verticals wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:

And if you drafted two you could get rid of the 14 million you still owe Sweezy for being nothing special.


Sweezy's 2018 salary would be a little over $5 mil. The total remaining value of his deal is meaningless. He's basically on a one year deal throught the end of the contract.


The decision has to be made if he starts on a line that couldnt produce running lanes very often.
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Re: Draft Watch: OL

Postby real bucs fan » Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:32 pm

mdb1958 wrote:
Four Verticals wrote:
Sweezy's 2018 salary would be a little over $5 mil. The total remaining value of his deal is meaningless. He's basically on a one year deal throught the end of the contract.


The decision has to be made if he starts on a line that couldnt produce running lanes very often.

Sweezy's regarded as a top run blocking guard. He had a mediocre year, his first after major back surgery, but I think RG is his for next year at the very least.
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Re: Draft Watch: OL

Postby MJW » Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:39 pm

real bucs fan wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:
The decision has to be made if he starts on a line that couldnt produce running lanes very often.

Sweezy's regarded as a top run blocking guard. He had a mediocre year, his first after major back surgery, but I think RG is his for next year at the very least.


It's a question better left to the OBP doctors I think. If they feel like he's primed to return to 100%, then yeah we probably stand pat at that spot. It's information we don't have at this point.
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Re: Draft Watch: OL

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:49 pm

MJW wrote:
real bucs fan wrote:Sweezy's regarded as a top run blocking guard. He had a mediocre year, his first after major back surgery, but I think RG is his for next year at the very least.


It's a question better left to the OBP doctors I think. If they feel like he's primed to return to 100%, then yeah we probably stand pat at that spot. It's information we don't have at this point.

Difficult to make that evaluation right now as he just finished a season.

This class has a very nice collection of guards so I yhink it would be foolish to not add some fresh blood regardless.
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Re: Draft Watch: OL

Postby MJW » Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:24 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
MJW wrote:
It's a question better left to the OBP doctors I think. If they feel like he's primed to return to 100%, then yeah we probably stand pat at that spot. It's information we don't have at this point.

Difficult to make that evaluation right now as he just finished a season.

This class has a very nice collection of guards so I yhink it would be foolish to not add some fresh blood regardless.


I think one way or another we're adding at least one instant-starter-big-splash guard this offseason. Be it someone like Justin Pugh, Andrew Norwell, or Jack Mewhort in March, or Quenton Nelson, Will Hernandez, or Billy Price in April (May?), ONE splash guard is as done deal. It's the second one that's a question. Regardless of Sweezy's health, I do hope we add a veteran 3rd guard type at the minimum, and maybe even a Day Three guy also.
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Re: Draft Watch: OL

Postby real bucs fan » Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:55 pm

MJW wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:Difficult to make that evaluation right now as he just finished a season.

This class has a very nice collection of guards so I yhink it would be foolish to not add some fresh blood regardless.


I think one way or another we're adding at least one instant-starter-big-splash guard this offseason. Be it someone like Justin Pugh, Andrew Norwell, or Jack Mewhort in March, or Quenton Nelson, Will Hernandez, or Billy Price in April (May?), ONE splash guard is as done deal. It's the second one that's a question. Regardless of Sweezy's health, I do hope we add a veteran 3rd guard type at the minimum, and maybe even a Day Three guy also.

I'm fine with maintaining Pamphile to "compete" for the job with an early round rookie guard. The Day 3 OL I want is a developmental OT as I've seen enough of Benenoch and Wester to believe they aren't starters. I really think we only really need to add 1 guy.
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Re: Draft Watch: OL

Postby Phantom Phenom » Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:30 pm

Bucs to draft Nelson . He is often described as a once-in-a-decade OL.
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Re: Draft Watch: OL

Postby MJW » Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:17 am

Phantom Phenom wrote:Bucs to draft Nelson . He is often described as a once-in-a-decade OL.


If he was a "Once In A Decade" lineman, he'd be a left tackle. Doesn't mean he won't be good, of course.
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