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One of the deepest FA pools in a very long time

Postby Digital_Damage » Fri Jan 16, 2015 12:39 pm

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... ts-by-team

Makes me sad we blew all that money on scrubs...
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Re: One of the deepest FA pools in a very long time

Postby BacksidePursuit » Fri Jan 16, 2015 12:59 pm

Are you suggesting that we don't have cap space to go after free agents? Especially after making some obvious cuts.
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Re: One of the deepest FA pools in a very long time

Postby The Outsider » Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:02 pm

Digital_Damage wrote:http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000459443/article/2015-nfl-unrestricted-free-agents-by-team

Makes me sad we blew all that money on scrubs...


The team is 26 million under the cap. Plenty of room to make a few key signings. Especially after Collins is cut.
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Re: One of the deepest FA pools in a very long time

Postby Digital_Damage » Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:05 pm

Will we have Cap room? Yes, will we have more cap room than half the league after they make their obvious cuts?

Right now we are 8th, we are expected to be in the bottom half after the rest of the league Cuts their players.
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Re: One of the deepest FA pools in a very long time

Postby The Outsider » Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:08 pm

Digital_Damage wrote:Will we have Cap room? Yes, will we have more cap room than half the league after they make their obvious cuts?

Right now we are 8th, we are expected to be in the bottom half after the rest of the league Cuts their players.


I don't care about where we place in the "how low is your cap" competition. After cutting Collins we'll have over 30 million in cap room. That's more than enough to get one or two premier guys, even if we have to outbid people.
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Re: One of the deepest FA pools in a very long time

Postby terrytate » Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:09 pm

Digital_Damage wrote:Will we have Cap room? Yes, will we have more cap room than half the league after they make their obvious cuts?

Right now we are 8th, we are expected to be in the bottom half after the rest of the league Cuts their players.


Does this take into account our own cuts? Collins is gone, Johnson is likely gone, Foster is likely gone, McCown might go too.

TBH, we don't need a ton of cap room because there are only a few FA's we would covet, namely a pass rusher and an offensive lineman. Everything else should be looked after in the draft.
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Re: One of the deepest FA pools in a very long time

Postby Digital_Damage » Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:15 pm

The Outsider wrote:
I don't care about where we place in the "how low is your cap" competition. After cutting Collins we'll have over 30 million in cap room. That's more than enough to get one or two premier guys, even if we have to outbid people.


I doubt that, and other teams will have so much more sway.

The issue we have right now is we can't outbid half the league and we are not an attractive option for a FA.

we have depth issues at OT,CB,LB,DE. We will also be more than likely starting a Rookie QB at some point during the season. Neither the Nole or the Duck is going to take this team to the playoffs in the next 2 years (possible the third if our selection does not outright suck).
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Re: One of the deepest FA pools in a very long time

Postby Digital_Damage » Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:19 pm

terrytate wrote:
Does this take into account our own cuts? Collins is gone, Johnson is likely gone, Foster is likely gone, McCown might go too.

TBH, we don't need a ton of cap room because there are only a few FA's we would covet, namely a pass rusher and an offensive lineman. Everything else should be looked after in the draft.


Yes, it does.

Foster was at the end of his contract, he was schedule to be a FA.
Collins is the only sure bet to be cut.
McCown will be kept. They are not going to have one of those rookies start and Glennon is all but gone.
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Re: One of the deepest FA pools in a very long time

Postby DreadNaught » Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:20 pm

terrytate wrote:Does this take into account our own cuts? Collins is gone, Johnson is likely gone, Foster is likely gone, McCown might go too.


Michael Johnson is not likely to cut imo (not much, if any cap savings), and Foster is a FA himself. Collins, Koenen, Goldson are likely to be cut imo.

OG Mike Iupati and DE JPP would be the 2 'premier' FA I hope we target. I agree that all other 'holes' should be addressed via draft or lower end FA

Plenty of cap space and really only Lavonte needing to be re-signed so yeah, we should/will be active via FA imo.
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Re: One of the deepest FA pools in a very long time

Postby Hatter » Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:27 pm

I can't see Johnson being cut, Collins maybe but to cut them both doesn't make their decision making process look stable at all. I don't understand contracts like many here do, but I cant see too many cuts happening other than Collins, he would be too expensive for keeping for depth I would think.
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Re: One of the deepest FA pools in a very long time

Postby DreadNaught » Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:33 pm

Useful links for those interested in salary structure and cap implications

Over The Cap: http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/tampa-bay-buccaneers/

Spotrac: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tampa-bay-buccaneers/
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Re: One of the deepest FA pools in a very long time

Postby Digital_Damage » Fri Jan 16, 2015 3:41 pm

Would be smart to keep Johnson and Goldson, then cut in 2016 if they don't play up to their contracts.


I'm guessing only Koenen, Collins will be shown the door.
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Re: One of the deepest FA pools in a very long time

Postby A Man's Part » Fri Jan 16, 2015 3:51 pm

Digital_Damage wrote:Would be smart to keep Johnson and Goldson, then cut in 2016 if they don't play up to their contracts.


I'm guessing only Koenen, Collins will be shown the door.
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Re: One of the deepest FA pools in a very long time

Postby CamCam » Fri Jan 16, 2015 4:13 pm

How do you guys value somebody like Greg Hardy?
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Re: One of the deepest FA pools in a very long time

Postby Digital_Damage » Fri Jan 16, 2015 4:19 pm

He will be depth moving forward. Cant be out of the league that long with that baggage and perform at a top level.

He might be able to salvage it with 2 years of work.
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Re: One of the deepest FA pools in a very long time

Postby selmon63 » Fri Jan 16, 2015 4:29 pm

CamCam wrote:How do you guys value somebody like Greg Hardy?


Let's see how his criminal trial turns out next month. He was already convicted once, this time is an appeal. Talented but damaged goods after all the negative publicity this year. Perhaps he, Petersen and Rice can commiserate together while wearing wife / child/ girlfriend beater threads. Endorsement possibilities are endless.
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Re: One of the deepest FA pools in a very long time

Postby DreadNaught » Fri Jan 16, 2015 4:29 pm

CamCam wrote:How do you guys value somebody like Greg Hardy?


All depends on how his legal issues play out over the summer. His next contract value has taken a significant hit either way.

As a player, he's a premier DE imo. It will be interesting who he plays for next season (if anyone) and for how much. Might have to sign 1 year deal somewhere to let the off-field stuff blow over than re-test FA when his value is higher.
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Re: One of the deepest FA pools in a very long time

Postby CamCam » Fri Jan 16, 2015 4:44 pm

I'll take that as a "He's good but DON'T WANT"
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Re: One of the deepest FA pools in a very long time

Postby tampabay4eva » Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:21 pm

I'd take the Kraken any day of the week. Look how his absence affected Carolina's defense. They were dominant last year, this year not so much. We could have a Top 3 D with him providing the solid edge rush this team lacks.
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Re: One of the deepest FA pools in a very long time

Postby Bootz2004 » Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:25 pm

Stay out of free agency. Here's an idea. Let's go after only players who were cut and build thru the draft. Stay away from high priced guys. Gain compensation picks going forward.
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Re: One of the deepest FA pools in a very long time

Postby BJJ34 » Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:35 pm

Bootz2004 wrote:Stay out of free agency. Here's an idea. Let's go after only players who were cut and build thru the draft. Stay away from high priced guys. Gain compensation picks going forward.



The only thing Bootz and I have ever agreed upon.

Big money doesn't win football games. It wins checks at dinner.

Look at the Seahawks. They're winning with a late round QB(albeit should have gone earlier) and the most UDFA in the league. You have to coach, not gain talent. Thats the problem with the league. People retread.
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Re: One of the deepest FA pools in a very long time

Postby Deuce » Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:29 pm

BJJ34 wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:Stay out of free agency. Here's an idea. Let's go after only players who were cut and build thru the draft. Stay away from high priced guys. Gain compensation picks going forward.



The only thing Bootz and I have ever agreed upon.

Big money doesn't win football games. It wins checks at dinner.

Look at the Seahawks. They're winning with a late round QB(albeit should have gone earlier) and the most UDFA in the league. You have to coach, not gain talent. Thats the problem with the league. People retread.


Free agents, even the big money ones, have their place. That place being a team that is a couple of pieces away from the Super Bowl. If a team is great but has a hole at RG, then they should sign the best RG they can. See our 2002 Bucs, if we hadn't signed guys like Brad Johnson and Simeon Rice we wouldn't have won the SB.

Now, we shouldn't have signed the FA we did last year and honestly, we shouldn't be spending that type of money again this year. We should be looking for value guys who fit what we want to do.
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Re: One of the deepest FA pools in a very long time

Postby BacksidePursuit » Fri Jan 16, 2015 8:45 pm

Aren't we required to spend a certain amount though. We have no choice but to sign some guys.
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Re: One of the deepest FA pools in a very long time

Postby Terp » Fri Jan 16, 2015 8:56 pm

CamCam wrote:How do you guys value somebody like Greg Hardy?


Im always willing to take a risk on a character flawed player.
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Re: One of the deepest FA pools in a very long time

Postby Bootz2004 » Fri Jan 16, 2015 11:59 pm

BacksidePursuit wrote:Aren't we required to spend a certain amount though. We have no choice but to sign some guys.


Not that simple.
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Re: One of the deepest FA pools in a very long time

Postby UMiamiBucFan » Sat Jan 17, 2015 12:10 am

I feel like they say that every year is the best FA ever...then most of them re-sign or get tagged.
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Re: One of the deepest FA pools in a very long time

Postby Nano » Sat Jan 17, 2015 12:12 am

BacksidePursuit wrote:Aren't we required to spend a certain amount though. We have no choice but to sign some guys.

Yes and no. There is a floor that must be reached, however not every year. It's reaching the 89% of the cap over a period of years.
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Re: One of the deepest FA pools in a very long time

Postby UMiamiBucFan » Sat Jan 17, 2015 12:19 am

Also, I doubt they'll stay out of free agency. Licht believes in going into the draft with as few needs as possible. I expect more value signings like McDonald. Probably nothing over a five million average.

And a giant Lavonte David extension.
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Re: One of the deepest FA pools in a very long time

Postby BacksidePursuit » Sat Jan 17, 2015 1:31 am

Nano wrote:
BacksidePursuit wrote:Aren't we required to spend a certain amount though. We have no choice but to sign some guys.

Yes and no. There is a floor that must be reached, however not every year. It's reaching the 89% of the cap over a period of years.

Gotcha. Thanks.
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Re: One of the deepest FA pools in a very long time

Postby Konatown » Sat Jan 17, 2015 8:56 am

I'd expect us to make a few more Clinton McDonald signings, rather than pursue a huge free agent splash. We're not winning the Super Bowl next year, let's build some depth and get our superstars in the draft.
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