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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby GrownishBF » Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:48 pm

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What are you referencing here? Yes I get it. I'm not bothered with people calling me Bootz. It is what it is.


Wait...you’re not bootz? I thought you were. I’m confused.


No, I'm not. But apparently everything I say is reflective of something Bootz would so and somehow IPS addresses matchup as well so people have settled on me being Bootz.

It did bother me at 1st, I had never spoken to the guy before but I can roll with the punches just as well as the next guy and take a joke. So people want to call me Bootz, it's fine. Most have been civil and respectful even in disagreement, which is all that matters to me. It does get annoying that anything I post gets turned into "you're Bootz" but my hands are pretty much tied. Besides it's just a message board anyway.
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby PetePierson » Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:55 pm

deltbucs wrote:PMI bringing the heat!

Reminds me of the good ol' days.


Such a ****!
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby Doctor » Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:56 pm

Deuce wrote:
Doctor wrote:Man we've heard this story so many times.

The last time was probably around a bunch of Dolphin fans who talked about Tanne the exact same way y'all talk about Winston. Literally anyone will be better.

Look at Tanne now.
Look at the Fins.


This would be more similar to the Titans and Marcus Mariota.

That's fine. If we want to sign a veteran and have him take over, I'm all for it. I'm for dozens of ways of moving on from Winston.

But "dump that loser now, anyone else is better" is not one of them.
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby PetePierson » Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:59 pm

Doctor wrote:
Deuce wrote:
This would be more similar to the Titans and Marcus Mariota.

That's fine. If we want to sign a veteran and have him take over, I'm all for it. I'm for dozens of ways of moving on from Winston.

But "dump that loser now, anyone else is better" is not one of them.


Any JAG can win 5 games for this team. For much cheaper, too.
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby Doctor » Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:12 pm

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Doctor wrote:That's fine. If we want to sign a veteran and have him take over, I'm all for it. I'm for dozens of ways of moving on from Winston.

But "dump that loser now, anyone else is better" is not one of them.


Any JAG can win 5 games for this team. For much cheaper, too.

Right on queue.
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby Nano » Mon Dec 02, 2019 11:33 pm

What are we even talking about here at this point?
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby IronDog » Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:17 am

Nano wrote:What are we even talking about here at this point?

Depends upon who you are speaking to. If it's Bootz, it seems to be Brees vs Rivers, or maybe Evans vs .....Evans, or some contrariness, per his norm. It hasn't been about Winston for several pages now.
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby Doctor » Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:10 am

Mostly just casuals with pitchforks.

Real question, if we were guaranteed 10 wins next year but Winston would have to be on the roster, would you take it?
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby PetePierson » Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:17 am

If my Aunt had stones she would be my Uncle.

This team hasn't made the playoffs in what? 12 years? I think almost every other team has made it twice over that period.

Playoffs are all that matters and Winston is not a leader nor winner. He ain't getting Tampa there.....ever.
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby mdb1958 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:30 am

Doctor wrote:Mostly just casuals with pitchforks.

Real question, if we were guaranteed 10 wins next year but Winston would have to be on the roster, would you take it?



So, what are there? About two offensive tackles in the NFL from Alabama?
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby mdb1958 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:31 am

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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby Buc2 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:36 am

I've said since this thread began that JW will be here next year. He'll also be the starter next year. Whine, bitch, moan all you want. Y'all keep arguing the same exact points day after day. Page after page. Post after post. It does not matter. He will be our Buccaneers starting QB next September (barring injury of course).

Come on. Let's hear some more reasons why he shouldn't be. Oh. Wait. That's already been said, ad nauseum, over the past 16 pages of this thread alone. :lol: :roll:
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby Deuce » Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:46 am

PetePierson wrote:If my Aunt had stones she would be my Uncle.

This team hasn't made the playoffs in what? 12 years? I think almost every other team has made it twice over that period.

Playoffs are all that matters and Winston is not a leader nor winner. He ain't getting Tampa there.....ever.


Every NFC team has made the playoffs twice since the Bucs last made it.

Half of the NFC has made it 4 times.

But not to worry, we beat the Falcons and the Jags!
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby Buc2 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:56 am

Deuce wrote:
PetePierson wrote:If my Aunt had stones she would be my Uncle.

This team hasn't made the playoffs in what? 12 years? I think almost every other team has made it twice over that period.

Playoffs are all that matters and Winston is not a leader nor winner. He ain't getting Tampa there.....ever.


Every NFC team has made the playoffs twice since the Bucs last made it.

Half of the NFC has made it 4 times.

But not to worry, we beat the Falcons and the Jags!

So what's your point? Is Winston on this team next year or not?
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby Deuce » Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:07 am

Buc2 wrote:
Deuce wrote:
Every NFC team has made the playoffs twice since the Bucs last made it.

Half of the NFC has made it 4 times.

But not to worry, we beat the Falcons and the Jags!

So what's your point? Is Winston on this team next year or not?


I'll go ahead and call my shot. Why not?

Contract negotiations stall between the team and Barrett/Winston. The Bucs opt to use the FT on Barrett and Winston is offered more money by another team. The Bucs sign a veteran and draft a QB early in April.
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby ComingThisFall » Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:10 am

Buc2 wrote:
Deuce wrote:
Every NFC team has made the playoffs twice since the Bucs last made it.

Half of the NFC has made it 4 times.

But not to worry, we beat the Falcons and the Jags!

So what's your point? Is Winston on this team next year or not?


Yep. Winston will likely get Donovan Smith type contract because BA didn’t come here to rebuild
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby ComingThisFall » Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:12 am

Deuce wrote:
Buc2 wrote:So what's your point? Is Winston on this team next year or not?


I'll go ahead and call my shot. Why not?

Contract negotiations stall between the team and Barrett/Winston. The Bucs opt to use the FT on Barrett and Winston is offered more money by another team. The Bucs sign a veteran and draft a QB early in April.


I’d almost love it if we hit Jameis with the transition tag
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby MJW » Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:18 am

Buc2 wrote:I've said since this thread began that JW will be here next year. He'll also be the starter next year. Whine, bitch, moan all you want. Y'all keep arguing the same exact points day after day. Page after page. Post after post. It does not matter. He will be our Buccaneers starting QB next September (barring injury of course).

Come on. Let's hear some more reasons why he shouldn't be. Oh. Wait. That's already been said, ad nauseum, over the past 16 pages of this thread alone. :lol: :roll:


This is true.

I'm already excited for next year's batch of excuses for when he's the exact same QB he's been since college.
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby PetePierson » Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:30 am

MJW wrote:This is true.

I'm already excited for next year's batch of excuses for when he's the exact same QB he's been since college.


Clearly you don't appreciate all the yards he puts up. #Noob

It is very #Exciting.
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby MJW » Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:55 am

PetePierson wrote:
MJW wrote:This is true.

I'm already excited for next year's batch of excuses for when he's the exact same QB he's been since college.


Clearly you don't appreciate all the yards he puts up. #Noob

It is very #Exciting.


I just really feel like Year Six is usually the year when quarterbacks stop being the exact same quarterbacks they've been since their redshirt sophomore year in college. Plus, when you remember that Donovan Smith will be better in Year Six at protecting him than he's been in years 1-5, and also that trash wide receivers Mike Evans and Chris Godwin kind of HAVE to improve after all the mistakes they've made that have led to Winston interceptions...

If we're smart, we lock him up at 10-400, all fully guaranteed. Did you see the way he's torched the Falcons and the Jaguars?
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby PetePierson » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:03 am

MJW wrote:I just really feel like Year Six is usually the year when quarterbacks stop being the exact same quarterbacks they've been since their redshirt sophomore year in college. Plus, when you remember that Donovan Smith will be better in Year Six at protecting him than he's been in years 1-5, and also that trash wide receivers Mike Evans and Chris Godwin kind of HAVE to improve after all the mistakes they've made that have led to Winston interceptions...

If we're smart, we lock him up at 10-400, all fully guaranteed. Did you see the way he's torched the Falcons and the Jaguars?


He just needs more time.
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby BacksidePursuit » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:07 am

Imagine giving Winston one of those QB contracts that forces you to build the team around him from the bargain bin. That’s the only completely inexcusable move.

If Winston is on this team next year but Shaq Barrett isn’t then we messed up bad.
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby DreadNaught » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:16 am

MJW wrote:
Buc2 wrote:I've said since this thread began that JW will be here next year. He'll also be the starter next year. Whine, bitch, moan all you want. Y'all keep arguing the same exact points day after day. Page after page. Post after post. It does not matter. He will be our Buccaneers starting QB next September (barring injury of course).

Come on. Let's hear some more reasons why he shouldn't be. Oh. Wait. That's already been said, ad nauseum, over the past 16 pages of this thread alone. :lol: :roll:


This is true.

I'm already excited for next year's batch of excuses for when he's the exact same QB he's been since college.

Be grateful that you won't have to come up with any new material to complain about and can just rehash anti-Jameis and anti-Donovan Smith talking points for a few more years.

#GlassHalfFull
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby DreadNaught » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:17 am

BacksidePursuit wrote:Imagine giving Winston one of those QB contracts that forces you to build the team around him from the bargain bin. That’s the only completely inexcusable move.

If Winston is on this team next year but Shaq Barrett isn’t then we messed up bad.

Bucs have plenty of cap space and flexibility this offseason to sign both and more.
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby MJW » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:23 am

BacksidePursuit wrote:If Winston is on this team next year but Shaq Barrett isn’t then we messed up bad.


I can't see that scenario.

Best guess:

Winston signs a 3 Year, $100 mil deal that's really a 1 Year, $30-$35 mil deal. The extra two years will protect us in case he (lol) breaks out in 2020. The several mil over the franchise tag incentivizes him to sign it. And we can get out from under it after 2020.

Shaq Barrett gets and plays under the franchise tag in a "do it again" season.

We overpay for a declining Von Miller on the open market.

We open up the checkbook for a veteran Right Tackle, giving us the most expensive yet mediocre OL in the league.

We lose Suh, Gholston, and Nassib, replacing them with this year's Suh (Derek Wolfe? Marcell Dareus?), a draft pick in the first two rounds, and a depth guy or two.

Most of the roster stays the same. The offensive skill positions are the same. 4 of the 5 OL are the same. Secondary and specialists are the same. The front seven gets a facelife.
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby PetePierson » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:24 am

DreadNaught wrote:Be grateful that you won't have to come up with any new material to complain about and can just rehash anti-Jameis and anti-Donovan Smith talking points for a few more years.

#GlassHalfFull


Yup, if Winston does come back it is doubtful that his turnovers won't be a topic of discussion. Not like he has created the narrative.
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby GrownishBF » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:29 am

BacksidePursuit wrote:Imagine giving Winston one of those QB contracts that forces you to build the team around him from the bargain bin. That’s the only completely inexcusable move.

If Winston is on this team next year but Shaq Barrett isn’t then we messed up bad.


Winston's contract would have to be beyond record setting for that to happen. And I don't see him taking up that big of a chunk out of the $93 million in cap space we have next offseason.

We can sign Barrett and a top QB to and still have plenty left over to build this roster.
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby acmillis » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:42 am

MJW wrote:
BacksidePursuit wrote:If Winston is on this team next year but Shaq Barrett isn’t then we messed up bad.


I can't see that scenario.

Best guess:

Winston signs a 3 Year, $100 mil deal that's really a 1 Year, $30-$35 mil deal. The extra two years will protect us in case he (lol) breaks out in 2020. The several mil over the franchise tag incentivizes him to sign it. And we can get out from under it after 2020.

Shaq Barrett gets and plays under the franchise tag in a "do it again" season.

We overpay for a declining Von Miller on the open market.

We open up the checkbook for a veteran Right Tackle, giving us the most expensive yet mediocre OL in the league.

We lose Suh, Gholston, and Nassib, replacing them with this year's Suh (Derek Wolfe? Marcell Dareus?), a draft pick in the first two rounds, and a depth guy or two.

Most of the roster stays the same. The offensive skill positions are the same. 4 of the 5 OL are the same. Secondary and specialists are the same. The front seven gets a facelife.

I could live with that, although I'm taking Jake Fromm and expecting him to be the QB sooner rather than later.
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby PetePierson » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:44 am

MJW wrote:
BacksidePursuit wrote:If Winston is on this team next year but Shaq Barrett isn’t then we messed up bad.


I can't see that scenario.

Best guess:

Winston signs a 3 Year, $100 mil deal that's really a 1 Year, $30-$35 mil deal. The extra two years will protect us in case he (lol) breaks out in 2020. The several mil over the franchise tag incentivizes him to sign it. And we can get out from under it after 2020.

Shaq Barrett gets and plays under the franchise tag in a "do it again" season.

We overpay for a declining Von Miller on the open market.

We open up the checkbook for a veteran Right Tackle, giving us the most expensive yet mediocre OL in the league.

We lose Suh, Gholston, and Nassib, replacing them with this year's Suh (Derek Wolfe? Marcell Dareus?), a draft pick in the first two rounds, and a depth guy or two.

Most of the roster stays the same. The offensive skill positions are the same. 4 of the 5 OL are the same. Secondary and specialists are the same. The front seven gets a facelife.



No ****ing way does that squinting dolt get anywhere even close to $30 MM / season.
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby Deuce » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:58 am

PetePierson wrote:
MJW wrote:
I can't see that scenario.

Best guess:

Winston signs a 3 Year, $100 mil deal that's really a 1 Year, $30-$35 mil deal. The extra two years will protect us in case he (lol) breaks out in 2020. The several mil over the franchise tag incentivizes him to sign it. And we can get out from under it after 2020.

Shaq Barrett gets and plays under the franchise tag in a "do it again" season.

We overpay for a declining Von Miller on the open market.

We open up the checkbook for a veteran Right Tackle, giving us the most expensive yet mediocre OL in the league.

We lose Suh, Gholston, and Nassib, replacing them with this year's Suh (Derek Wolfe? Marcell Dareus?), a draft pick in the first two rounds, and a depth guy or two.

Most of the roster stays the same. The offensive skill positions are the same. 4 of the 5 OL are the same. Secondary and specialists are the same. The front seven gets a facelife.



No ****ing way does that squinting dolt get anywhere even close to $30 MM / season.


I think this is the current top QBs by average annual salary:

1. Seahawks QB Russell Wilson: $35 million
2. Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger: $34 million
3. Packers QB Aaron Rodgers: $33.5 million
4. Rams QB Jared Goff: $33.5 million
5. Eagles QB Carson Wentz: $32 million
6. Falcons QB Matt Ryan: $30 million
7. Vikings QB Kirk Cousins: $28 million
8. Colts QB Jacoby Brissett: $28 million
9. 49ers QB Jimmy Garoppolo: $27.5 million
10. Lions QB Matthew Stafford: $27 million
11. Raiders QB Derek Carr: $25 million
12. Saints QB Drew Brees: $25 million

It seems to me that he'd fit in more with the Carr/Stafford range of contracts (given that time has passed since those have been signed). But Nick Foles also just got $22 million per year, I don't see why Jameis couldn't be around that same number.
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