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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby PetePierson » Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:36 pm

Not that I am arguing against the fact that THTOM sucks some large hairy wildebeest nuts but what are those rankings?
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby Digital_Damage » Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:42 pm

PetePierson wrote:Not that I am arguing against the fact that THTOM sucks some large hairy wildebeest nuts but what are those rankings?


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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby GrownishBF » Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:46 pm

Digital_Damage wrote:
GrownishBF wrote:
Same with Drew Brees and Chargers fans


WTF are you talking about?

Many Charger fans were pissed he left, and it is was not like Drew sucked like Winston. He was the 3rd best quarter back in 2004 and 10th in 2005.


He also lost his starting job to Doug Flutie at 1 point and was the reason San Diego picked #1 overall in 2004. It's been a long time but it's easy to forget how bad Brees was.
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby Digital_Damage » Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:49 pm

GrownishBF wrote:
Digital_Damage wrote:
WTF are you talking about?

Many Charger fans were pissed he left, and it is was not like Drew sucked like Winston. He was the 3rd best quarter back in 2004 and 10th in 2005.


He also lost his starting job to Doug Flutie at 1 point and was the reason San Diego picked #1 overall in 2004. It's been a long time but it's easy to forget how bad Brees was.


Let me know when he has 5 of them in a row... oh wait...
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby GrownishBF » Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:57 pm

Digital_Damage wrote:
GrownishBF wrote:
He also lost his starting job to Doug Flutie at 1 point and was the reason San Diego picked #1 overall in 2004. It's been a long time but it's easy to forget how bad Brees was.


Let me know when he has 5 of them in a row... oh wait...


5 what in a row? You're simply throwing out an arbitrary number because it fits with the point you're trying to make on Winston. Why isn't it 3 or 4?

Fact is Brees has done 2 things Winston hasn't. Won a Superbowl trophy and helped his team to the #1 overall pick. It doesn't make Winston any better than Brees. It's just the facts.
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby Deuce » Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:57 pm

GrownishBF wrote:
Digital_Damage wrote:
WTF are you talking about?

Many Charger fans were pissed he left, and it is was not like Drew sucked like Winston. He was the 3rd best quarter back in 2004 and 10th in 2005.


He also lost his starting job to Doug Flutie at 1 point and was the reason San Diego picked #1 overall in 2004. It's been a long time but it's easy to forget how bad Brees was.


This really could be a good comparison. Is this what people are afraid of?

Sure, Brees left the Chargers. He's gone on to have a HOF career elsewhere. He landed in a perfect situation.

But the Chargers moved on, found a good QB, and have made the playoffs 6 times in 14 years without Brees (including this year).

We shouldn't be holding on to Winston out of fear that he'll go make a career elsewhere.
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby Snake » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:00 pm

Hope and fear aren’t strategies. Unfortunately the organization never got that message.
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby PetePierson » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:02 pm

GrownishBF wrote:It doesn't make Winston any better than Brees.


GD right, Bootzish. Brees is a first ballot HOFer and Winston doesn't even make it to the Hall of Very Good or Good.
Although, if he plays a few more seasons, maybe he will break some turnover records?

#Exciting.
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby GrownishBF » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:06 pm

Deuce wrote:
GrownishBF wrote:
He also lost his starting job to Doug Flutie at 1 point and was the reason San Diego picked #1 overall in 2004. It's been a long time but it's easy to forget how bad Brees was.


This really could be a good comparison. Is this what people are afraid of?

Sure, Brees left the Chargers. He's gone on to have a HOF career elsewhere. He landed in a perfect situation.

But the Chargers moved on, found a good QB, and have made the playoffs 6 times in 14 years without Brees (including this year).

We shouldn't be holding on to Winston out of fear that he'll go make a career elsewhere.


The Chargers moved on, yes. But they haven't reached a Superbowl. Rivers hasn't been anything close to what Brees has been in New Orleans. And they've been through 4 head coaches since Brees got to New Orleans while the Saints are still on the same one.
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby PetePierson » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:07 pm

GrownishBF wrote: And they've been through 4 head coaches since Brees got to New Orleans while the Saints are still on the same one.


And how many coaches has Winston gone through in 5 years?
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby Digital_Damage » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:08 pm

Deuce wrote:
GrownishBF wrote:
He also lost his starting job to Doug Flutie at 1 point and was the reason San Diego picked #1 overall in 2004. It's been a long time but it's easy to forget how bad Brees was.


This really could be a good comparison. Is this what people are afraid of?

Sure, Brees left the Chargers. He's gone on to have a HOF career elsewhere. He landed in a perfect situation.

But the Chargers moved on, found a good QB, and have made the playoffs 6 times in 14 years without Brees (including this year).

We shouldn't be holding on to Winston out of fear that he'll go make a career elsewhere.


Can't fathom why people would think that could happen if that is the comparison being made.

Brees was producing top 10 numbers for two season leading up to his departure.

Chargers moved on from him because they thought due to his injury that Rivers was the safer bet. (They did try to retain him by offering a 5 year 50 million contract).

Comparing Winston's situation to Brees show a complete lack of QB evaluations skills.

Also... was their a bigger dirtbag than Gerard Warren?
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby PetePierson » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:11 pm

Digital_Damage wrote:Comparing Winston's situation to Brees show a complete lack of QB evaluations skills.


No kidding. I am waiting for Bootzish to claim that Winston would be up there with Brady, Montana, Marino, and Elway if it weren't for the defense.

#Exciting.
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby GrownishBF » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:14 pm

PetePierson wrote:
GrownishBF wrote: And they've been through 4 head coaches since Brees got to New Orleans while the Saints are still on the same one.


And how many coaches has Winston gone through in 5 years?


As Snake would say, you're moving the goal posts. The discussion is Brees/Rivers.
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby Digital_Damage » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:15 pm

PetePierson wrote:
Digital_Damage wrote:Comparing Winston's situation to Brees show a complete lack of QB evaluations skills.


No kidding. I am waiting for Bootzish to claim that Winston would be up there with Brady, Montana, Marino, and Elway if it weren't for the defense.

#Exciting.



Still waiting for RGIII to show us all how he is way better that Cousins... and the next top 5 QB in the league.
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby GrownishBF » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:16 pm

Digital_Damage wrote:
Deuce wrote:
This really could be a good comparison. Is this what people are afraid of?

Sure, Brees left the Chargers. He's gone on to have a HOF career elsewhere. He landed in a perfect situation.

But the Chargers moved on, found a good QB, and have made the playoffs 6 times in 14 years without Brees (including this year).

We shouldn't be holding on to Winston out of fear that he'll go make a career elsewhere.


Can't fathom why people would think that could happen if that is the comparison being made.

Brees was producing top 10 numbers for two season leading up to his departure.

Chargers moved on from him because they thought due to his injury that Rivers was the safer bet. (They did try to retain him by offering a 5 year 50 million contract).

Comparing Winston's situation to Brees show a complete lack of QB evaluations skills.

Also... was their a bigger dirtbag than Gerard Warren?


You're completely ignoring his 1st 3 seasons and the fact that he was bad enough to earn the #1 overall pick in 2003. He was the reason the Chargers drafted a QB #1. If he were that good why would they take a QB?
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby NavyBuc » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:17 pm

GrownishBF wrote:
Digital_Damage wrote:
WTF are you talking about?

Many Charger fans were pissed he left, and it is was not like Drew sucked like Winston. He was the 3rd best quarter back in 2004 and 10th in 2005.


He also lost his starting job to Doug Flutie at 1 point and was the reason San Diego picked #1 overall in 2004. It's been a long time but it's easy to forget how bad Brees was.


He was bad for two years and then became a star by year 3. In other words, he showed progression.
We are five years into the Winston era and I don’t think you’d find more than a handful of people not named sanka who would say Winston has showed progression.
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby Digital_Damage » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:20 pm

GrownishBF wrote:
Deuce wrote:
This really could be a good comparison. Is this what people are afraid of?

Sure, Brees left the Chargers. He's gone on to have a HOF career elsewhere. He landed in a perfect situation.

But the Chargers moved on, found a good QB, and have made the playoffs 6 times in 14 years without Brees (including this year).

We shouldn't be holding on to Winston out of fear that he'll go make a career elsewhere.


The Chargers moved on, yes. But they haven't reached a Superbowl. Rivers hasn't been anything close to what Brees has been in New Orleans. And they've been through 4 head coaches since Brees got to New Orleans while the Saints are still on the same one.


LOL! Oh ****ing STOP!

Rivers was a top 10 QB (and top 5 in multiple season) for most of his career. He has a career rating of 95.1 and Brees has a 97.8...
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby GrownishBF » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:21 pm

NavyBuc wrote:
GrownishBF wrote:
He also lost his starting job to Doug Flutie at 1 point and was the reason San Diego picked #1 overall in 2004. It's been a long time but it's easy to forget how bad Brees was.


He was bad for two years and then became a star by year 3. In other words, he showed progression.
We are five years into the Winston era and I don’t think you’d find more than a handful of people not named sanka who would say Winston has showed progression.


What do you mean? The Chargers were 4-12 Brees 3rd season and earned the #1 pick.
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby GrownishBF » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:22 pm

Digital_Damage wrote:
GrownishBF wrote:
The Chargers moved on, yes. But they haven't reached a Superbowl. Rivers hasn't been anything close to what Brees has been in New Orleans. And they've been through 4 head coaches since Brees got to New Orleans while the Saints are still on the same one.


LOL! Oh ****ing STOP!

Rivers was a top 10 QB (and top 5 in multiple season) for most of his career. He has a career rating of 95.1 and Brees has a 97.8...


What do they have to show for it?

And their QB ratings are so close because of Brees 1st 3 seasons which you continue to ignore.
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby NavyBuc » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:23 pm

GrownishBF wrote:
NavyBuc wrote:
He was bad for two years and then became a star by year 3. In other words, he showed progression.
We are five years into the Winston era and I don’t think you’d find more than a handful of people not named sanka who would say Winston has showed progression.


What do you mean? The Chargers were 4-12 Brees 3rd season and earned the #1 pick.


Brees barely played his first season. Not counting that. I think he played in just one game. I’m talking as a full-time starter.
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby Digital_Damage » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:34 pm

GrownishBF wrote:
Digital_Damage wrote:
LOL! Oh ****ing STOP!

Rivers was a top 10 QB (and top 5 in multiple season) for most of his career. He has a career rating of 95.1 and Brees has a 97.8...


What do they have to show for it?

And their QB ratings are so close because of Brees 1st 3 seasons which you continue to ignore.


Who says I'm ignoring them? You are ignoring statistical facts. Why are you trying to argue with Math?


But ill play...

He played 1 Game in 2001

Had a rough 2002, ranked 24th in the league
Rough 2003 Season ranked 28th

Then BAM!

****ing stardom.

After five FULL ****ing season we have a Winston that is ranked 29th.... twenty ****ing ninth.
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby GrownishBF » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:39 pm

Digital_Damage wrote:
GrownishBF wrote:
What do they have to show for it?

And their QB ratings are so close because of Brees 1st 3 seasons which you continue to ignore.


Who says I'm ignoring them? You are ignoring statistical facts. Why are you trying to argue with Math?


But ill play...

He played 1 Game in 2001

Had a rough 2002, ranked 24th in the league
Rough 2003 Season ranked 28th

Then BAM!

****ing stardom.

After five FULL ****ing season we have a Winston that is ranked 29th.... twenty ****ing ninth.


What are these rankings you're mentioning? Is this QB rating? QBR? Passing yards? I don't really follow.
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby Digital_Damage » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:41 pm

Digital_Damage wrote:
PetePierson wrote:Not that I am arguing against the fact that THTOM sucks some large hairy wildebeest nuts but what are those rankings?


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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby DreadNaught » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:45 pm

That answer to the OP is still yes.

I know this place has become an echo-chamber of Winston haters, but the reality is he'll be back in 2020 and likely longer.

You haters should be more grateful to Bootz for attempting to soften the blow of reality so you don't have to maintain such a level of anger when what we all know is coming actually occurs.
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby Digital_Damage » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:51 pm

DreadNaught wrote:That answer to the OP is still yes.

I know this place has become an echo-chamber of Winston haters, but the reality is he'll be back in 2020 and likely longer.

You haters should be more grateful to Bootz for attempting to soften the blow of reality so you don't have to maintain such a level of anger when what we all know is coming actually occurs.


Ohhh god I hope it happens... The impending Fan anger will be so monumental that perhaps the GBoyz would actually sell.

You think Schiano billboards were bad... can you imagine what will happen with Arians?
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby MRM » Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:13 pm

Given everything Arians has said in recent weeks, I think they will franchise him next year and see where things go before making a decision after that. Regardless, I would like to see them draft a QB if a good one is available where they pick.
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby Deuce » Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:22 pm

This should be an interesting off-season. It'll come down to what Winston thinks he's worth or what another team offers him. Everyone assumes we'll slap the FT on him, but Shaq Barrett is also a FA and I'd much rather use it on him.
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby Cheb » Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:24 pm

Say what you will about Bootz as a person, but his return has certainly galvanized the discussion around here.
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby Deuce » Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:25 pm

DreadNaught wrote:That answer to the OP is still yes.

I know this place has become an echo-chamber of Winston haters, but the reality is he'll be back in 2020 and likely longer.

You haters should be more grateful to Bootz for attempting to soften the blow of reality so you don't have to maintain such a level of anger when what we all know is coming actually occurs.


You and Bootz should be grateful for the rest of us. When Winston continues to suck for 2-3 more years and is relegated to a backup role, you won't be surprised because we'll have been telling you for years.
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Re: Is Winston on this team next year?

Postby Digital_Damage » Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:31 pm

Deuce wrote:
DreadNaught wrote:That answer to the OP is still yes.

I know this place has become an echo-chamber of Winston haters, but the reality is he'll be back in 2020 and likely longer.

You haters should be more grateful to Bootz for attempting to soften the blow of reality so you don't have to maintain such a level of anger when what we all know is coming actually occurs.


You and Bootz should be grateful for the rest of us. When Winston continues to suck for 2-3 more years and is relegated to a backup role, you won't be surprised because we'll have been telling you for years.


Ohhh no way... Bootz will execute his typical denying the antecedent to try and logic bomb his way out of any admission.
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