MJW wrote:Bootz2004 wrote:I truly don't understand the argument for wanting a trade in 2015. "I know I need a QB and I know there are 2 top QBs in this draft to choose from but I'll pass." That's EXACTLY what Cleveland did in 2016 when they released Manziel and a month later traded back with Philly. The result since then is 1-31 and 6 different starting QBs. Trying this cute "trade back and build the line" game doesn't work.
Because it didn't work for Cleveland, it doesn't work?
Like I said, I was on team, "Draft the QB" in 2015. But this idea it can't work...
I mean, the last Superbowl winning QB drafted in the top ten who wasn't named "Manning" was John Elway. It sure seems like a lot of teams are finding other ways to answer the QB question.
The intervening factor with Cleveland is that they draft **** players btw. It's easy to dog-pile them for passing on Goff/Wentz. Half of that is that those two worked out. The other half is that they did little with the draft capital. Neither point actually addresses their thought process.
This is one of the most disingenuous things I've ever read. You perfectly set the parameters to make your point. Let's break it down a little.
First off, you're only using SB-winning QB's, so that's the first big issue. That conveniently shuts out Matt Ryan, Cam Newton, Donovan McNabb, and Steve McNair, not to mention every good QB who didn't make the SB.
Elway won the SB in 1998, so that gives us 19 years of QBs. For some reason, we're excluding people named Manning, so that takes out 4. 5 have been won by Brady, so we're down to 10. 2 were won by Roethlisberger, who was drafted 11th.
Here are the 8 remaining QB's- Warner, Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Brees, Rodgers, Flacco, Wilson, and Foles.
Out of these, only Rodgers, Flacco, Wilson, and Foles won the SB with the team that drafted them. Foles was not the starter for the majority of the year, so he's excluded. I won't include Brady because we're not drafting the GOAT QB in the 6th round and don't have Belichick as our HC.
So put another way, your point is that 3 teams over the last 19 years have drafted a QB outside the top 10 and won the SB with them, so anyone can do it?