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Re: So If Fitz goes 3-0

Postby DreadNaught » Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:43 pm

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Sure. We'll base a "game" on atleast him being healthy and active for atleast a half if that is ok?

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Re: So If Fitz goes 3-0

Postby acmillis » Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:45 pm

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u god damn numb nuts, the whole premise of my argument is that DJax and Winston's chemistry sucks. so I made a bet that, from here on out, catching passes from Jameis, his production is going to be roughly cut in half, compared to his production catching passes from Fitz - how the **** is this so complex to you?


LMAO! How lofty of you...A guys current YPG average of 106 is going to be cut down. You know what Djax averages per game over his 11 year career? 68 YPG, which is a little more than half of 106. But keep by all means, continue to enlighten us

Yeah...but it is not exactly 50% so it really doesn't equate to anything remotely close.....
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Re: So If Fitz goes 3-0

Postby beardmcdoug » Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:51 pm

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Re: So If Fitz goes 3-0

Postby DreadNaught » Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:51 pm

acmillis wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:
LMAO! How lofty of you...A guys current YPG average of 106 is going to be cut down. You know what Djax averages per game over his 11 year career? 68 YPG, which is a little more than half of 106. But keep by all means, continue to enlighten us

Yeah...but it is not exactly 50% so it really doesn't equate to anything remotely close.....


First thing I looked at before agreeing to the bet was his career average per game.

I have faith in my opinion. Should DJax play all 12 games he'd need 660 more yards. He already has 424 in 4 games. So 1,084yds is the magic # assuming he stays healthy.

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Re: So If Fitz goes 3-0

Postby beardmcdoug » Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:56 pm

DreadNaught wrote:
acmillis wrote:Yeah...but it is not exactly 50% so it really doesn't equate to anything remotely close.....


First thing I looked at before agreeing to the bet was his career average per game.

I have faith in my opinion. Should DJax play all 12 games he'd need 660 more yards. He already has 424 in 4 games. So 1,084yds is the magic # assuming he stays healthy.

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Re: So If Fitz goes 3-0

Postby Jason Bourne » Tue Oct 02, 2018 5:01 pm

Bootz2004 wrote:
beardmcdoug wrote:
u god damn numb nuts, the whole premise of my argument is that DJax and Winston's chemistry sucks. so I made a bet that, from here on out, catching passes from Jameis, his production is going to be roughly cut in half, compared to his production catching passes from Fitz - how the **** is this so complex to you?


LMAO! How lofty of you...A guys current YPG average of 106 is going to be cut down. You know what Djax averages per game over his 11 year career? 68 YPG, which is a little more than half of 106. But keep by all means, continue to enlighten us


I thought he also averages like 15 yards per catch or something ... the thing is Jameis and Desean don’t have chemistry on the long ball for whatever reason .
Jameis will look to Brate and Evans now more often . It’s a fact .
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Re: So If Fitz goes 3-0

Postby Bootz2004 » Tue Oct 02, 2018 5:07 pm

Jason Bourne wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:
LMAO! How lofty of you...A guys current YPG average of 106 is going to be cut down. You know what Djax averages per game over his 11 year career? 68 YPG, which is a little more than half of 106. But keep by all means, continue to enlighten us


I thought he also averages like 15 yards per catch or something ... the thing is Jameis and Desean don’t have chemistry on the long ball for whatever reason .
Jameis will look to Brate and Evans now more often . It’s a fact .


It's actually 17.4. But is it that they DONT have chemistry or DIDNT? Djax and Fitz didn't have much chemistry last season either when Fitz played but that changed this year. People speak as if evolving and improvement are foreign concepts and can't apply in the NFL.
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Re: So If Fitz goes 3-0

Postby Jason Bourne » Tue Oct 02, 2018 5:13 pm

Bootz2004 wrote:
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I thought he also averages like 15 yards per catch or something ... the thing is Jameis and Desean don’t have chemistry on the long ball for whatever reason .
Jameis will look to Brate and Evans now more often . It’s a fact .


It's actually 17.4. But is it that they DONT have chemistry or DIDNT? Djax and Fitz didn't have much chemistry last season either when Fitz played but that changed this year. People speak as if evolving and improvement are foreign concepts and can't apply in the NFL.


I would like to see Jameis and Djax get it going ... I just don’t see it
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Re: So If Fitz goes 3-0

Postby Bootz2004 » Tue Oct 02, 2018 5:17 pm

People need to realize, Desean Jackson will come back down to earth and it has nothing to do with who's throwing him the ball. Most of his metrics are way above his career averages and are totally unsustainable. 24.9 yards per catch, a full 7.5 yards above his career average. Catching 77.2% of passes thrown his way, which is an absurd 21% above his career average of 56.2%, and as already mentioned 106 yards a game, 38 yards more per game than his career average. He's not sustaining those averages over the course of 16 games in this offense going forward. Especially if we get the run game going and get more "balanced" in our approach. By balanced I mean we run more than 15 times a game. And if we spread the wealth more on offense. There are a ton of mouths to feed on this offense and only 1 ball to go around.
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Re: So If Fitz goes 3-0

Postby Deuce » Tue Oct 02, 2018 5:23 pm

Bootz2004 wrote:
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Starting now until the end of the season?


Why starting now? Too afraid?


The first two games where we took the league by surprise and he had huge games with Fitz at QB have very little to do with the future and Jameis at QB.

He won't produce to his contract and he'll be cut at the end of the year and that's that.
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Re: So If Fitz goes 3-0

Postby Bootz2004 » Tue Oct 02, 2018 5:31 pm

Deuce wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:
Why starting now? Too afraid?


The first two games where we took the league by surprise and he had huge games with Fitz at QB have very little to do with the future and Jameis at QB.

He won't produce to his contract and he'll be cut at the end of the year and that's that.


You're tying his production to his contract to Jameis Winston and ignoring his 1st 4 games with Fitz. Smart people and the Bucs won't ignore that production just because of who is under center. If he finishes the year with 75 catches, 1500 yards and 10 TDs, he won't be kept off of the All-Pro team or Pro Bowl team because only 3/4 of that production came with Jameis Winston. Likewise Jason Licht won't ignore the quarter of the numbers that came with Fitz. Your logic is...Non existent.
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Re: So If Fitz goes 3-0

Postby mdb1958 » Tue Oct 02, 2018 5:45 pm

Deuce wrote:Just gonna throw this out there- I still think Desean can go after this year. He's an exciting guy to have and maybe a different O-coordinator could put him in different situations but other than going deep, I think Godwin can give us what Desean's giving us.

I also think there's a weird dynamic between him and Jameis. I know there were some rumblings about him being unhappy last year. And he was really quick to jump on the Fitz bandwagon. I don't feel like he gave full effort trying to catch the last incompletion Winston threw to him.


I was thinking like that last year, this year?, when DJ gets those throws pointing towards the endzone he just lights up and acts like a player ready to go crazy on any team he faces. This is the most important improvement I want to see from Winston. Bombs that go all the way are nice but I also want to see him hitting his targets pointing towards the endzone with a chance to run. I would venture to say all our pass catchers will be really enthused to secure the ball with some time before safety contact. I said this last year, the propensity of Winston's passes are with the receivers back towards the endzone.
If Winston does this he will be explosive and deadly.
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Re: So If Fitz goes 3-0

Postby mdb1958 » Tue Oct 02, 2018 6:18 pm

I also think these types of passes, thrown with authority, can be deadly with running backs.
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Re: So If Fitz goes 3-0

Postby Patrick McIrish » Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:13 pm

Jason Bourne wrote:
I thought he also averages like 15 yards per catch or something ... the thing is Jameis and Desean don’t have chemistry on the long ball for whatever reason.
Jameis will look to Brate and Evans now more often . It’s a fact.



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Re: So If Fitz goes 3-0

Postby serbiabuc » Sat Oct 06, 2018 2:21 pm

Jason Bourne wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:
LMAO! How lofty of you...A guys current YPG average of 106 is going to be cut down. You know what Djax averages per game over his 11 year career? 68 YPG, which is a little more than half of 106. But keep by all means, continue to enlighten us


I thought he also averages like 15 yards per catch or something ... the thing is Jameis and Desean don’t have chemistry on the long ball for whatever reason .
Jameis will look to Brate and Evans now more often . It’s a fact .

Desaun was targeted 22 times in 4 games, or 5.5 times per game. Last season he was targeted 90 times in 14 games, or 6.5 times per game. By sheer numbers, DJ will get his targets. Only difference, those targets probably will not be 50yds bombs.
Also, Desean and Fitz didn't have any special connection. In third round against Pittsburgh Desean caught 3 passes for 37 yards. And he was targeted only 5 times in 50 attempts. Desean was awesome against Philly and Saints, mostly because they let him run free. Pittsburgh decided to cover him, and result was 37 yards. Also, Pittsburgh blitzed a lot, which usually means deep bombs are out of question, which means Desean is not that deadly. And on top of that Fitzpatrick played bad that day. Not only turnovers, he simply wasn't efficient that day. 33% third down conversion rate, thats way bellow league average.
I fully expect Desean to have something like 75yds per game, 15yds per catch if both him and Jameis stays healthy throughout season. And thats not due to bad chemistry, its just who Desean is and was through his career. Those first 2 games were abomination, not first 10yrs of his career
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Re: So If Fitz goes 3-0

Postby Doctor » Sat Oct 06, 2018 2:53 pm

Bootz2004 wrote:People need to realize, Desean Jackson will come back down to earth and it has nothing to do with who's throwing him the ball. Most of his metrics are way above his career averages and are totally unsustainable. 24.9 yards per catch, a full 7.5 yards above his career average. Catching 77.2% of passes thrown his way, which is an absurd 21% above his career average of 56.2%, and as already mentioned 106 yards a game, 38 yards more per game than his career average. He's not sustaining those averages over the course of 16 games in this offense going forward. Especially if we get the run game going and get more "balanced" in our approach. By balanced I mean we run more than 15 times a game. And if we spread the wealth more on offense. There are a ton of mouths to feed on this offense and only 1 ball to go around.

We're not talking about his numbers. We're talking about just hitting him when he's ****ing wide open deep. We're still waiting on that.
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Re: So If Fitz goes 3-0

Postby mdb1958 » Sat Oct 06, 2018 4:02 pm

We are rushing the ball 22.8 times a game.
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Re: So If Fitz goes 3-0

Postby Bootz2004 » Sat Oct 06, 2018 4:04 pm

mdb1958 wrote:We are rushing the ball 22.8 times a game.


How many of those are designed runs?
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Re: So If Fitz goes 3-0

Postby acaton » Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:44 pm

Winston is good enough to win half the remaining games and the defense is good enough to win two more.


Waite till next year Guys.
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Re: So If Fitz goes 3-0

Postby mdb1958 » Sat Oct 06, 2018 6:03 pm

Bootz2004 wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:We are rushing the ball 22.8 times a game.


How many of those are designed runs?


We cant run to the right and we've been stuffed 9 times running to the left and 3 times in the middle
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Re: So If Fitz goes 3-0

Postby mdb1958 » Sat Oct 06, 2018 6:07 pm

Have to make these RB's an explosive part of this offense. This isnt any different than not hitting the long ball, if they are going to stuff our running backs because of poor line play then you punish them by getting them the ball in space, when they go to take away the short dump off then you hit them with the RB's going out for longer passes. Execute execute execute.
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Re: So If Fitz goes 3-0

Postby Caradoc » Sat Oct 06, 2018 6:42 pm

serbiabuc wrote:
Jason Bourne wrote:
I thought he also averages like 15 yards per catch or something ... the thing is Jameis and Desean don’t have chemistry on the long ball for whatever reason .
Jameis will look to Brate and Evans now more often . It’s a fact .

Desaun was targeted 22 times in 4 games, or 5.5 times per game. Last season he was targeted 90 times in 14 games, or 6.5 times per game. By sheer numbers, DJ will get his targets. Only difference, those targets probably will not be 50yds bombs.
Also, Desean and Fitz didn't have any special connection. In third round against Pittsburgh Desean caught 3 passes for 37 yards. And he was targeted only 5 times in 50 attempts. Desean was awesome against Philly and Saints, mostly because they let him run free. Pittsburgh decided to cover him, and result was 37 yards. Also, Pittsburgh blitzed a lot, which usually means deep bombs are out of question, which means Desean is not that deadly. And on top of that Fitzpatrick played bad that day. Not only turnovers, he simply wasn't efficient that day. 33% third down conversion rate, thats way bellow league average.
I fully expect Desean to have something like 75yds per game, 15yds per catch if both him and Jameis stays healthy throughout season. And thats not due to bad chemistry, its just who Desean is and was through his career. Those first 2 games were abomination, not first 10yrs of his career



The word you are looking for is “aberration”, not “abomination”
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Re: So If Fitz goes 3-0

Postby Bootz2004 » Sat Oct 06, 2018 6:45 pm

mdb1958 wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:
How many of those are designed runs?


We cant run to the right and we've been stuffed 9 times running to the left and 3 times in the middle


I asked you a specific question and you didn't answer it.
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Re: So If Fitz goes 3-0

Postby Nano » Sat Oct 06, 2018 7:25 pm

acaton wrote:Winston is good enough to win half the remaining games and the defense is good enough to win two more.


Waite till next year Guys.

That puts us at 10-6 so not bad lol
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Re: So If Fitz goes 3-0

Postby mdb1958 » Sat Oct 06, 2018 7:28 pm

Bootz2004 wrote:
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We cant run to the right and we've been stuffed 9 times running to the left and 3 times in the middle


I asked you a specific question and you didn't answer it.


No fan should know that answer unless OBP has put up the answer. I dont know Bootz.
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Re: So If Fitz goes 3-0

Postby mdb1958 » Sat Oct 06, 2018 7:49 pm

Now I could guess that they told Ryan - hey if pressure is in your face in 2 seconds you might wanna take off running - if you get 3 seconds, dont assume it will reach four. Wink wink Jameis!
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Re: So If Fitz goes 3-0

Postby mdb1958 » Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:41 pm

LakeLand Says:
October 6th, 2018 at 6:49 pm
According to Football Outsiders, the Bucs O-Line are ranked 32nd in Run Blocking, 9th in Pass Blocking.
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Re: So If Fitz goes 3-0

Postby Nano » Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:45 pm

Sounds about right
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Re: So If Fitz goes 3-0

Postby terrytate » Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:48 am

mdb1958 wrote:LakeLand Says:
October 6th, 2018 at 6:49 pm
According to Football Outsiders, the Bucs O-Line are ranked 32nd in Run Blocking, 9th in Pass Blocking.



The key is rotating those guards.
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Re: So If Fitz goes 3-0

Postby mdb1958 » Sun Oct 07, 2018 4:08 am

terrytate wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:LakeLand Says:
October 6th, 2018 at 6:49 pm
According to Football Outsiders, the Bucs O-Line are ranked 32nd in Run Blocking, 9th in Pass Blocking.



The key is rotating those guards.


Did you know out of the top ten receivers for YAC's - 6 of them are running backs. We have to do whatever we got to do to get these running backs making positive contributions.

Drew Brees understands this!

Crazy stat: Michael Thomas has caught 42 of 44 passes.

Its the perfect time for us, we have been able to hit our WR's and TE's very well with minimal sacks, now we should use them as distractions in order to make the RB's the primary targets.
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