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Re: Winston All Time Buc QB

Postby mdb1958 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:46 am

mdb1958 wrote:What game does Winston set the Buc Yardage record?



Anybody going to edit their guess's?
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Re: Winston All Time Buc QB

Postby mdb1958 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:50 am

The Outsider wrote:
Deja Entendu wrote:
You should just change your name to The Gateway



I'm just trying to get mdb to accuse me of being a drug dealer again. That was entertaining.

Honestly though, that's not a bad idea.



How can I accuse you of something that you brag about beforehand? Your the one putting it out there that you run around with the high rollers.
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Re: Winston All Time Buc QB

Postby UbuntuBuc » Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:04 pm

TBH Josh Freeman was probably a better quarterback than Winston before he got f'd up on drugs.
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Re: Winston All Time Buc QB

Postby Deuce » Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:13 pm

UbuntuBuc wrote:TBH Josh Freeman was probably a better quarterback than Winston before he got f'd up on drugs.


Eh, for the one season.

Comparing QBR's

Freeman
2009- 37.2
2010- 70.3
2011- 46.7
2012- 49.4

Winston
2015- 61.1
2016- 59.7
2017- 50.3

Depends on when you think he got "messed up". 2010 was a pretty big outlier for him. Man, that was a magical season.
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Re: Winston All Time Buc QB

Postby GottaJaboo » Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:49 pm

Winston's stool would outperform Freeman.
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Re: Winston All Time Buc QB

Postby UbuntuBuc » Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:09 pm

Deuce wrote:
UbuntuBuc wrote:TBH Josh Freeman was probably a better quarterback than Winston before he got f'd up on drugs.


Eh, for the one season.

Comparing QBR's

Freeman
2009- 37.2
2010- 70.3
2011- 46.7
2012- 49.4

Winston
2015- 61.1
2016- 59.7
2017- 50.3

Depends on when you think he got "messed up". 2010 was a pretty big outlier for him. Man, that was a magical season.


Solid numbers, but it is always hard to compare QBs from different teams. Too many interwoven parts to really know for sure.

The depressing stat for Jameis is he is regressing each year if that trend continues it is only going to get worse.
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Re: Winston All Time Buc QB

Postby Nano » Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:01 pm

You got to remember that QBR is just one stat...and similar to PFF ratings, it's not entirely known how these numbers are made(We know it's a combination number like PFF). People still haven't figured out why Charlie Batch's 3TD/2INT game against us in 2010 is one of the best QB performances in recent memory according to QBR lol

However, most of Winston's other stats showed improvement. His completion percentage went from 60.8 to 63.8(And according to FO his accuracy has improved as well. His plus-minus passing stat was +18.7 this year, up from +3.2 in 2016 and -14.5 as a rookie). His INT% was the best of his career at 2.5%, while his Y/A and AY/A were both career highs as well. His passer rating jumped from 86.1 to 92.2. His Net yards per attempt also increased. What killed his QBR was his fumbles, which everyone agrees he needs to work on.
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Re: Winston All Time Buc QB

Postby Kress » Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:11 am

UbuntuBuc wrote:TBH Josh Freeman was probably a better quarterback than Winston before he got f'd up on drugs.



Both are/were frustratingly inconsistent. That's my belief on what we'll get from Jameis going forward. Big splash. Total suck. Ohmagod! Whatdafuq! Rinse, repeat.
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Re: Winston All Time Buc QB

Postby MJW » Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:29 am

UbuntuBuc wrote:TBH Josh Freeman was probably a better quarterback than Winston before he got f'd up on drugs.


Ooooh, hot take.

We've talked about the "Drug Free Josh" alternate universe before.

I think clean Josh probably finds himself in the middle of the league as a QB. He had accuracy issues, and he wasn't really any more consistent than Winston. I had mentioned Matt Stafford as a comp in another thread, but that might be too generous. Maybe Andy Dalton? Good enough to win with. Will steal the odd game. Will lose you the odd game. Will probably be overmatched every round of a playoff run.

Winston could be more than that. There's a reason he went #1 and Freeman went #17. But not a lot of shopping days until Christmas. Does anyone think Ben Roethlisberger would still be in Pittsburgh if he was the 4th best QB in his division, on a last place team?
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Re: Winston All Time Buc QB

Postby selmon63 » Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:33 am

Best all-time Buc QB is akin to being "best man at an all-girl school".

The bar is very very low.
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Re: Winston All Time Buc QB

Postby The Outsider » Sat Jul 14, 2018 5:03 pm

At least Josh Freeman gave us this:

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Re: Winston All Time Buc QB

Postby Nano » Sat Jul 14, 2018 5:23 pm

Unfortunately though, he also gave us this

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Re: Winston All Time Buc QB

Postby The Outsider » Sat Jul 14, 2018 5:33 pm

Are you kidding? That's got huge meme potential.
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Re: Winston All Time Buc QB

Postby PrimeMinister » Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:00 am

Just how high was Freeman during that photo shoot?
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Re: Winston All Time Buc QB

Postby Rocker » Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:22 am

PrimeMinister wrote:Just how high was Freeman during that photo shoot?


Somewhere between yes and bath salts.
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Re: Winston All Time Buc QB

Postby Super K » Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:36 am

Rocker wrote:
PrimeMinister wrote:Just how high was Freeman during that photo shoot?


Somewhere between yes and bath salts.


Hole-E-Shit I just snort/coughed diet Coke everywhere.....
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Re: Winston All Time Buc QB

Postby PrimeMinister » Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:45 am

Rocker wrote:
PrimeMinister wrote:Just how high was Freeman during that photo shoot?


Somewhere between yes and bath salts.


LMAO!
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Re: Winston All Time Buc QB

Postby Doctor » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:13 am

Deuce wrote:
UbuntuBuc wrote:TBH Josh Freeman was probably a better quarterback than Winston before he got f'd up on drugs.


Eh, for the one season.

Comparing QBR's

Freeman
2009- 37.2
2010- 70.3
2011- 46.7
2012- 49.4

Winston
2015- 61.1
2016- 59.7
2017- 50.3

Depends on when you think he got "messed up". 2010 was a pretty big outlier for him. Man, that was a magical season.

Oh yeah. I remember being so upset we drafted Freeman, thought he was a bust for sure. Then that magical year came. And I let myself believe. :banghead:
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Re: Winston All Time Buc QB

Postby uscbucsfan » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:15 am

Doctor wrote:
Deuce wrote:
Eh, for the one season.

Comparing QBR's

Freeman
2009- 37.2
2010- 70.3
2011- 46.7
2012- 49.4

Winston
2015- 61.1
2016- 59.7
2017- 50.3

Depends on when you think he got "messed up". 2010 was a pretty big outlier for him. Man, that was a magical season.

Oh yeah. I remember being so upset we drafted Freeman, thought he was a bust for sure. Then that magical year came. And I let myself believe. :banghead:

Outside of MJW, I was the most vocal against Freeman when we drafted him. I hated him pre-draft, I was pissed during the draft, and was very AO like at first. I ate crow after that season and let off on my hatred. I even started having hope....

To her credit, I don't think MJW every bought in.
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Re: Winston All Time Buc QB

Postby Doctor » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:45 am

uscbucsfan wrote:
Doctor wrote:Oh yeah. I remember being so upset we drafted Freeman, thought he was a bust for sure. Then that magical year came. And I let myself believe. :banghead:

Outside of MJW, I was the most vocal against Freeman when we drafted him. I hated him pre-draft, I was pissed during the draft, and was very AO like at first. I ate crow after that season and let off on my hatred. I even started having hope....

To her credit, I don't think MJW every bought in.

But we'll never know if that was due to keen observation or just stubbornness.
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Re: Winston All Time Buc QB

Postby Rocker » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:47 am

I remember goings rounds in the game day threads with her. That season was fucked up.
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Re: Winston All Time Buc QB

Postby Doctor » Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:07 am

Rocker wrote:I remember goings rounds in the game day threads with her. That season was fucked up.

I kept getting headaches from being so youngry all the time.
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