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Re: A new defensive identity

Postby Heidguy » Wed May 09, 2018 1:03 pm

Rocker wrote:I’m still operating under the assumption that mdb1958 is an open source, crowdfunded, learning AI built by Southern Metropolitan Polytechnic Community College.


Well they must have upgraded there software because he's very human like lately. Impressive
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Re: A new defensive identity

Postby VauntedTampa2 » Wed May 09, 2018 2:16 pm

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Re: A new defensive identity

Postby MJW » Thu May 10, 2018 11:57 pm

Do the "Debbie Downer" thing if you wish, but all this "new mentality! new identity! better schemes!" stuff rings as hollow as Donald Trump in a confession booth. Show it to me on the field. Show me the improved pressure, the better tackling, the aggressive boundary coverage, the more cerebral safety play. Show me on the field. Every offseason, it's words and ideas and every fall it's the same old shitshow.
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Re: A new defensive identity

Postby Caradoc » Fri May 11, 2018 12:13 am

MJW wrote:Do the "Debbie Downer" thing if you wish, but all this "new mentality! new identity! better schemes!" stuff rings as hollow as Donald Trump in a confession booth. Show it to me on the field. Show me the improved pressure, the better tackling, the aggressive boundary coverage, the more cerebral safety play. Show me on the field. Every offseason, it's words and ideas and every fall it's the same old shitshow.


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OK, Let's do this. I can show you the improved pressure on Russia's Syrian ambitions, the better tackling of North Korean Prisoners, a more aggressive approach to covering our nation's boundaries, and a more cerebral play towards Iran's ridiculous appeasement deal. On the field Iran is being hammered, Norks just gave up prisoners, China is pressured into agreeing to trade concessions. Every election we have the same promises from the same old politicians that never mean shiite. (Diane Feinstein today:"Everything President Obama has done, this president wants to undo. An agreement that prevents Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon is one thing that should never be undone just to satisfy a campaign promise. Because, yeah, why follow through on the promises you made to the voters who elected you, right?) This time, we are seeing something different if we can look past the CNN pornstarrussiasquirrel coverage.
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Re: A new defensive identity

Postby mdb1958 » Fri May 11, 2018 3:55 am

MJW wrote:Do the "Debbie Downer" thing if you wish, but all this "new mentality! new identity! better schemes!" stuff rings as hollow as Donald Trump in a confession booth. Show it to me on the field. Show me the improved pressure, the better tackling, the aggressive boundary coverage, the more cerebral safety play. Show me on the field. Every offseason, it's words and ideas and every fall it's the same old shitshow.



Only KC went all defense in this draft. When I look at our free agency and draft I see their process as going for players who are as close to game ready types, like they are looking for the players that they are happy with because now they dont need to stress about how hard they had to work to try and get them game ready. Then there seems to be about zero effort in finding serious talent that needs development in the players that were undrafted.

I guess were counting on our biggest change as our new free agents wanting to take it all with our new first round pick.

We arent going to be blaring the final countdown to these players every day in training camp. So dont expect (like most all of you have already judged) many surprises like so and so has outplayed Unrein or Gholston and now has earned the job...

We have neglected those types of defensive draft picks on defense for quite a while.
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Re: A new defensive identity

Postby Caradoc » Fri May 11, 2018 6:02 am

I'm not going to be negative about our moves. I think most of them will pan out, we will have a very good front 7 at least. Possibly dominant.

My only concern is the back end. While I have relatively high hopes for Justin Evans, I worry a little about Grimes continuing to play at a high level and stay healthy, and am not expecting much from any of the new arrivals at first or from VH3 at all.

But just the front 7 improving will make a huge difference in our game, and our offense was already doing enough to keep us competitive. Better health, RB and OL should mean playoffs IMO. If health is an issue, that isn't something that you can use to say our moves weren't good.
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Re: A new defensive identity

Postby Ken Carson » Fri May 11, 2018 6:36 am

MJW wrote:Do the "Debbie Downer" thing if you wish, but all this "new mentality! new identity! better schemes!" stuff rings as hollow as Donald Trump in a confession booth. Show it to me on the field. Show me the improved pressure, the better tackling, the aggressive boundary coverage, the more cerebral safety play. Show me on the field. Every offseason, it's words and ideas and every fall it's the same old shitshow.

Now that the great oracle has spoken and demanded that nothing be said until it is shown on the field, please tell us what we can discuss 4 months before the season begins.

Get over yourself.
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Re: A new defensive identity

Postby DreadNaught » Fri May 11, 2018 6:46 am

Ken Carson wrote:
MJW wrote:Do the "Debbie Downer" thing if you wish, but all this "new mentality! new identity! better schemes!" stuff rings as hollow as Donald Trump in a confession booth. Show it to me on the field. Show me the improved pressure, the better tackling, the aggressive boundary coverage, the more cerebral safety play. Show me on the field. Every offseason, it's words and ideas and every fall it's the same old shitshow.

Now that the great oracle has spoken and demanded that nothing be said until it is shown on the field, please tell us what we can discuss 4 months before the season begins.

Get over yourself.


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Re: A new defensive identity

Postby Bootz2004 » Fri May 11, 2018 7:13 am

Ken Carson wrote:
MJW wrote:Do the "Debbie Downer" thing if you wish, but all this "new mentality! new identity! better schemes!" stuff rings as hollow as Donald Trump in a confession booth. Show it to me on the field. Show me the improved pressure, the better tackling, the aggressive boundary coverage, the more cerebral safety play. Show me on the field. Every offseason, it's words and ideas and every fall it's the same old shitshow.

Now that the great oracle has spoken and demanded that nothing be said until it is shown on the field, please tell us what we can discuss 4 months before the season begins.

Get over yourself.


No you can speak about it. But it must be negative, shady, petty, and heavily critical of GM Pot Roast and his crew.
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Re: A new defensive identity

Postby MJW » Fri May 11, 2018 7:51 am

Bootz2004 wrote:
Ken Carson wrote:Now that the great oracle has spoken and demanded that nothing be said until it is shown on the field, please tell us what we can discuss 4 months before the season begins.

Get over yourself.


No you can speak about it. But it must be negative, shady, petty, and heavily critical of GM Pot Roast and his crew.


Unlike certain folks around here, I don't operate from the assumption that everyone else has to share my worldview on everything or they're wrong.

I said I'm not buying into it. You want to? It's your nickel.
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Re: A new defensive identity

Postby MJW » Fri May 11, 2018 7:55 am

Ken Carson wrote:
MJW wrote:Do the "Debbie Downer" thing if you wish, but all this "new mentality! new identity! better schemes!" stuff rings as hollow as Donald Trump in a confession booth. Show it to me on the field. Show me the improved pressure, the better tackling, the aggressive boundary coverage, the more cerebral safety play. Show me on the field. Every offseason, it's words and ideas and every fall it's the same old shitshow.

Now that the great oracle has spoken and demanded that nothing be said until it is shown on the field, please tell us what we can discuss 4 months before the season begins.

Get over yourself.


Talk about whatever you want. I'm not buying into yet another year of hearing about new identities or whatever. I'd rather talk about information than the, "I think the Bucs are great!" schtick.
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Re: A new defensive identity

Postby real bucs fan » Fri May 11, 2018 8:26 am

MJW wrote:
Ken Carson wrote:Now that the great oracle has spoken and demanded that nothing be said until it is shown on the field, please tell us what we can discuss 4 months before the season begins.

Get over yourself.


Talk about whatever you want. I'm not buying into yet another year of hearing about new identities or whatever. I'd rather talk about information than the, "I think the Bucs are great!" schtick.

We get it, you were optimistic last year, and got burned. But the problem last year was that we actually did a poor job of fixing the holes on our roster if you were paying attention. We got weapons for Winston, but we ignored the run game and the defence, and what happened? Our D sucked and we couldn't run the ball. This year, we've addressed those issues. Jensen and Jones were 2 large investments into the run game, not they weren't my first choices to fill those roles, but they are definitely highly regarded talents. On D, we totally revamped the D-line. We also added some talented young pieces to our secondary. Now who know how it turns out, but there is every logical reason to be optimistic- last year's team was fools gold, this year we actually have a balanced roster...
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Re: A new defensive identity

Postby Doctor » Fri May 11, 2018 9:21 am

I don't know how anyone could be down on us. Last year had a lot of things taken on faith, Doug Martin's "return to form" and our young guys like Spence and Gholston stepping up, and Baker not being garbage. This one feels a lot less faith based.
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Re: A new defensive identity

Postby PrimeMinister » Fri May 11, 2018 2:34 pm

MJW wrote:
Ken Carson wrote:Now that the great oracle has spoken and demanded that nothing be said until it is shown on the field, please tell us what we can discuss 4 months before the season begins.

Get over yourself.


Talk about whatever you want. I'm not buying into yet another year of hearing about new identities or whatever. I'd rather talk about information than the, "I think the Bucs are great!" schtick.


What information would you rather discuss?
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Re: A new defensive identity

Postby GottaJaboo » Fri May 11, 2018 2:41 pm

With our offense getting ready to hit it's stride, it will be great to have a defense that can put fear into other teams. Buckner was a great hire!
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Re: A new defensive identity

Postby MarineBuc » Mon May 14, 2018 12:01 pm

Caradoc wrote:I'm not going to be negative about our moves. I think most of them will pan out, we will have a very good front 7 at least. Possibly dominant.

My only concern is the back end. While I have relatively high hopes for Justin Evans, I worry a little about Grimes continuing to play at a high level and stay healthy, and am not expecting much from any of the new arrivals at first or from VH3 at all.

But just the front 7 improving will make a huge difference in our game, and our offense was already doing enough to keep us competitive. Better health, RB and OL should mean playoffs IMO. If health is an issue, that isn't something that you can use to say our moves weren't good.

I am of the belief that the back end will improve with the improvement of the front 7.

IF the front 7 improve half as much as we think...the QBs are going to a lot less comfortable which will/should lead to errant throws and possible opportunities.

But, as usual...I am cautiousily opptimistic.
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Re: A new defensive identity

Postby PrimeMinister » Mon May 14, 2018 12:52 pm

MarineBuc wrote:
Caradoc wrote:I'm not going to be negative about our moves. I think most of them will pan out, we will have a very good front 7 at least. Possibly dominant.

My only concern is the back end. While I have relatively high hopes for Justin Evans, I worry a little about Grimes continuing to play at a high level and stay healthy, and am not expecting much from any of the new arrivals at first or from VH3 at all.

But just the front 7 improving will make a huge difference in our game, and our offense was already doing enough to keep us competitive. Better health, RB and OL should mean playoffs IMO. If health is an issue, that isn't something that you can use to say our moves weren't good.

I am of the belief that the back end will improve with the improvement of the front 7.

IF the front 7 improve half as much as we think...the QBs are going to a lot less comfortable which will/should lead to errant throws and possible opportunities.

But, as usual...I am cautiousily opptimistic.


I’m optimistically cautious.
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Re: A new defensive identity

Postby Swashy » Tue May 15, 2018 8:04 am

This isn't gonna make much sense but bear with me. The only way to really focus on getting better on the run is by getting better in pass protection. I remember the year where we had "the best run defense" in the NFL and it was because teams simply didn't run on us. Why run for 2 or 3 yards when they could get 10 to 15 on any given play through the air? We have to make teams run on us to see if we are actually better. In either case I'm not overly optimistic yet.

Where oh where have we seen the "Bucs have gotten better" narrative before?
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Re: A new defensive identity

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Tue May 15, 2018 8:12 am

Swashy wrote:This isn't gonna make much sense but bear with me. The only way to really focus on getting better on the run is by getting better in pass protection. I remember the year where we had "the best run defense" in the NFL and it was because teams simply didn't run on us. Why run for 2 or 3 yards when they could get 10 to 15 on any given play through the air? We have to make teams run on us to see if we are actually better. In either case I'm not overly optimistic yet.

Where oh where have we seen the "Bucs have gotten better" narrative before?

Here's the thing, Bada-bing. When the D-line controls the line of scrimmage it prevents the offenSe from opening running OR passing lanes. By controlling the line of scrimmage, you don't let the offenSe do what it wants to do. Savvy?
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Re: A new defensive identity

Postby Doctor » Tue May 15, 2018 11:32 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
Swashy wrote:This isn't gonna make much sense but bear with me. The only way to really focus on getting better on the run is by getting better in pass protection. I remember the year where we had "the best run defense" in the NFL and it was because teams simply didn't run on us. Why run for 2 or 3 yards when they could get 10 to 15 on any given play through the air? We have to make teams run on us to see if we are actually better. In either case I'm not overly optimistic yet.

Where oh where have we seen the "Bucs have gotten better" narrative before?

Here's the thing, Bada-bing. When the D-line controls the line of scrimmage it prevents the offenSe from opening running OR passing lanes. By controlling the line of scrimmage, you don't let the offenSe do what it wants to do. Savvy?

Indeed. People have been so content with a mediocre DL for so long they really underestimate just how much a good line will do for you.
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Re: A new defensive identity

Postby Rocker » Tue May 15, 2018 11:38 am

Doctor wrote:Indeed. People have been so content with a mediocre DL


Writing garbage like this the most annoying trend on the boards.
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Re: A new defensive identity

Postby Buc2 » Tue May 15, 2018 11:42 am

Rocker wrote:
Doctor wrote:Indeed. People have been so content with a mediocre DL


Writing garbage like this the most annoying trend on the boards.

Agreed.
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Re: A new defensive identity

Postby Bootz2004 » Tue May 15, 2018 12:16 pm

Rocker wrote:
Doctor wrote:Indeed. People have been so content with a mediocre DL


Writing garbage like this the most annoying trend on the boards.


Where's the lie though?
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Re: A new defensive identity

Postby Rocker » Tue May 15, 2018 12:22 pm

Bootz2004 wrote:
Rocker wrote:
Writing garbage like this the most annoying trend on the boards.


Where's the lie though?


It’s projection and assumption to drive a personal narrative, plain and simple. But you’re not an idiot and knew that already. It’s one of your go to moves.
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