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Re: Buccaneers Road to the Final 53 Thread, 2018 Edition

Postby Caradoc » Thu May 03, 2018 2:12 pm

DreadNaught wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:We didn't stash Stevie T on IR. He got injured late in TC and subsequently put on IR. Cichy should be good to go by TC. Why would we prematurely him on IR?


By putting a young player on IR you can treat it as a 'redshirt' year and prevent another team from scooping them up off waivers or your PS.

If Cinchy is healthy and has a good TC/preseason and deserves to make the 53 it's a moot point. But Bucs have some decent LB depth already so my thoughts were that if Cinchy is still "recovering" from his knee injury we could use the IR designation on him and just redshirt him so he can get back 100% for 2019 while learning the defense this year from the meeting rooms.



Hush, Bootz wants to pretend to be naive about these things.
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Re: Buccaneers Road to the Final 53 Thread, 2018 Edition

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Thu May 03, 2018 2:21 pm

Cichy not Cinchy

Cichy
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Re: Buccaneers Road to the Final 53 Thread, 2018 Edition

Postby DreadNaught » Thu May 03, 2018 2:23 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:Cichy not Cinchy

Cichy


Got it. Not sure why I thought there was a "n" in there.
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Re: Buccaneers Road to the Final 53 Thread, 2018 Edition

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Thu May 03, 2018 2:31 pm

DreadNaught wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:Cichy not Cinchy

Cichy


Got it. Not sure why I thought there was a "n" in there.

I had to say something. My head was going to explode.
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Re: Buccaneers Road to the Final 53 Thread, 2018 Edition

Postby Bootz2004 » Thu May 03, 2018 2:41 pm

DreadNaught wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:We didn't stash Stevie T on IR. He got injured late in TC and subsequently put on IR. Cichy should be good to go by TC. Why would we prematurely him on IR?


By putting a young player on IR you can treat it as a 'redshirt' year and prevent another team from scooping them up off waivers or your PS.

If Cinchy is healthy and has a good TC/preseason and deserves to make the 53 it's a moot point. But Bucs have some decent LB depth already so my thoughts were that if Cinchy is still "recovering" from his knee injury we could use the IR designation on him and just redshirt him so he can get back 100% for 2019 while learning the defense this year from the meeting rooms.


You're forgetting about the elephant in the room. Kendall Beckwith. For 2 reasons. 1st last year we drafted Beckwith after he tore his ACl in December 2016. He barely missed a beat. Cichy tore his knee before the 2017 season so he would have more recovery time than Beckwith had last year.

Secondly, Beckwith just had ankle surgery 2 weeks ago and won't be in TC. He's not even a guarantee to play week 1. He'll have all the opportunities in the world to make the final 53. If he can't cut it WITH a LB already out due to injury then stick him on PS if you believe in him. But putting him on IR only disallows him practice reps. That's more vital than sitting in on meetings.
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Re: Buccaneers Road to the Final 53 Thread, 2018 Edition

Postby Bootz2004 » Thu May 03, 2018 2:42 pm

Caradoc wrote:
DreadNaught wrote:
By putting a young player on IR you can treat it as a 'redshirt' year and prevent another team from scooping them up off waivers or your PS.

If Cinchy is healthy and has a good TC/preseason and deserves to make the 53 it's a moot point. But Bucs have some decent LB depth already so my thoughts were that if Cinchy is still "recovering" from his knee injury we could use the IR designation on him and just redshirt him so he can get back 100% for 2019 while learning the defense this year from the meeting rooms.



Hush, Bootz wants to pretend to be naive about these things.


His premise is stupid. Why put a guy who's healthy on IR and not allow him the chance to practice and get better?
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Re: Buccaneers Road to the Final 53 Thread, 2018 Edition

Postby Four Verticals » Thu May 03, 2018 9:27 pm

Nano wrote:His salary this season became guaranteed on March 18th


His 2018 salary became guaranteed on March 6th, 2017
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Re: Buccaneers Road to the Final 53 Thread, 2018 Edition

Postby Nano » Thu May 03, 2018 10:02 pm

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Re: Buccaneers Road to the Final 53 Thread, 2018 Edition

Postby Bootz2004 » Thu May 03, 2018 10:29 pm



We don’t need to get out from his deal. It’s relatively small.
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Re: Buccaneers Road to the Final 53 Thread, 2018 Edition

Postby SIBucsFan » Fri May 04, 2018 8:08 am

Bootz2004 wrote:


We don’t need to get out from his deal. It’s relatively small.



Yes, and honestly at $3,750,000 for 2019 I don't think he would be a necessary cap casualty then either. I think it would come down to how much they value his play against the run as well as his versatility to go inside and out.
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Re: Buccaneers Road to the Final 53 Thread, 2018 Edition

Postby mdb1958 » Sat May 12, 2018 5:05 am

I think Gholston is the 2 down starter after all he is one of our better run defenders. With pass heavy teams, who knows he may finally get to the QB with this group.
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Re: Buccaneers Road to the Final 53 Thread, 2018 Edition

Postby theBKwhopper » Sat May 12, 2018 1:32 pm

mdb1958 wrote:I think Gholston is the 2 down starter after all he is one of our better run defenders. With pass heavy teams, who knows he may finally get to the QB with this group.

Over Vinny?
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Re: Buccaneers Road to the Final 53 Thread, 2018 Edition

Postby real bucs fan » Sat May 12, 2018 2:21 pm

theBKwhopper wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:I think Gholston is the 2 down starter after all he is one of our better run defenders. With pass heavy teams, who knows he may finally get to the QB with this group.

Over Vinny?

Over JPP at LE lol
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Re: Buccaneers Road to the Final 53 Thread, 2018 Edition

Postby DreadNaught » Sat May 12, 2018 2:47 pm

mdb1958 wrote:I think Gholston is the 2 down starter after all he is one of our better run defenders. With pass heavy teams, who knows he may finally get to the QB with this group.


Gholston is not starting unless we have a couple injuries. Licht talked about him slimming down some to get back to his 2016 weight.

PooterReport had a Fab 5 that talked a lot about the Dline and various situations and skillsets. Gholston will certainly have a role b/c he's a plus run defender.

That said JPP is a different class of player.

I'm hoping to see some 3 man Dline formations in our sub package. Gmac-Vea-JPP along with Kwon and LVD in a dime package.
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Re: Buccaneers Road to the Final 53 Thread, 2018 Edition

Postby Bootz2004 » Sat May 12, 2018 3:32 pm

DreadNaught wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:I think Gholston is the 2 down starter after all he is one of our better run defenders. With pass heavy teams, who knows he may finally get to the QB with this group.


Gholston is not starting unless we have a couple injuries. Licht talked about him slimming down some to get back to his 2016 weight.

PooterReport had a Fab 5 that talked a lot about the Dline and various situations and skillsets. Gholston will certainly have a role b/c he's a plus run defender.

That said JPP is a different class of player.

I'm hoping to see some 3 man Dline formations in our sub package. Gmac-Vea-JPP along with Kwon and LVD in a dime package.


Given the added boost to the Dline I wouldn't envision many 3 man lines in subpackages. That is unless OBP has no faith in Noah Spence being a contributor. His only role at this point is pass rush specialist and ALL of that has to do with his perceived skills as a pass rusher. A 4 down line of Spence, Vea, McCoy and Paul would be best served. Especially if we plan to just rush 4.
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Re: Buccaneers Road to the Final 53 Thread, 2018 Edition

Postby Caradoc » Sat May 12, 2018 3:38 pm

I wouldn't look too much into who is a 'starter'. While we will certainly have the obvious starters, the number of snaps for each of them is going to be less than what it was in the past. We built for a heavy rotation this year, and and the snaps per player are going to vary based on the situation, but we definitely don't want to be overworking our stars - they are going to be kept fresh.
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Re: Buccaneers Road to the Final 53 Thread, 2018 Edition

Postby mdb1958 » Sat May 12, 2018 4:41 pm

Bootz2004 wrote:
DreadNaught wrote:
Gholston is not starting unless we have a couple injuries. Licht talked about him slimming down some to get back to his 2016 weight.

PooterReport had a Fab 5 that talked a lot about the Dline and various situations and skillsets. Gholston will certainly have a role b/c he's a plus run defender.

That said JPP is a different class of player.

I'm hoping to see some 3 man Dline formations in our sub package. Gmac-Vea-JPP along with Kwon and LVD in a dime package.


Given the added boost to the Dline I wouldn't envision many 3 man lines in subpackages. That is unless OBP has no faith in Noah Spence being a contributor. His only role at this point is pass rush specialist and ALL of that has to do with his perceived skills as a pass rusher. A 4 down line of Spence, Vea, McCoy and Paul would be best served. Especially if we plan to just rush 4.


Every DE that rushed from our right side was a liability in the run, so many times the edge wasnt held. I dont know who can and who cant play on the right side, but I wouldnt instantly give Vinny nothing.

As far as losing weight, I wouldnt think it would be more than a few pounds.
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Re: Buccaneers Road to the Final 53 Thread, 2018 Edition

Postby mdb1958 » Sat May 12, 2018 5:07 pm

I also would like to look at all our defensive backfield improvement due to our new players on the d-line. Including Conte!
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Re: Buccaneers Road to the Final 53 Thread, 2018 Edition

Postby mdb1958 » Sat May 12, 2018 6:21 pm

One of our tryout RB's.


https://youtu.be/8IFczggn2BY
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Re: Buccaneers Road to the Final 53 Thread, 2018 Edition

Postby BUCCABEER » Mon May 14, 2018 6:48 am

mdb1958 wrote:One of our tryout RB's.


https://youtu.be/8IFczggn2BY

I could see him returning punts and kickoffs for sure.
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Re: Buccaneers Road to the Final 53 Thread, 2018 Edition

Postby Super K » Mon May 14, 2018 6:50 am

BUCCABEER wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:One of our tryout RB's.


https://youtu.be/8IFczggn2BY

I could see him returning punts and kickoffs for sure.


He's gone...
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Re: Buccaneers Road to the Final 53 Thread, 2018 Edition

Postby mdb1958 » Mon May 14, 2018 4:11 pm

real bucs fan wrote:
theBKwhopper wrote:Over Vinny?

Over JPP at LE lol


How many DE's are qualified to man our right side? Please refrain from laughing!

2017 def snap pct

JPP 91.5%
V Curry 56.1%
B Allen 40.9%
M Unrein 36.8%

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GMC 76.1%
W Gholston 42.0%
W Clarke 29.6%
N Spence 23.2%
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Re: Buccaneers Road to the Final 53 Thread, 2018 Edition

Postby mdb1958 » Mon May 14, 2018 4:18 pm

Super K wrote:
BUCCABEER wrote:I could see him returning punts and kickoffs for sure.


He's gone...
He a phone call away.

Also, take note that you have not heard one mention from me of how good or spiffed up we are on defense. I'll wait to see it first (no need in jumping the gun)..
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Re: Buccaneers Road to the Final 53 Thread, 2018 Edition

Postby Cheb » Mon May 14, 2018 6:38 pm

mdb1958 wrote:
real bucs fan wrote:Over JPP at LE lol


How many DE's are qualified to man our right side? Please refrain from laughing!


I expect Vinny Curry and Noah Spence to platoon at right end. JPP gets the lion's share of reps at left end and Gholston spells him as needed. Whoever wins the final spots between Will Clarke, Ryan Russell, and a gaggle of JAGs can fight for whatever scraps are left over. Unrein may see snaps at defensive end in some packages, as might Vea.
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Re: Buccaneers Road to the Final 53 Thread, 2018 Edition

Postby mdb1958 » Mon May 14, 2018 8:17 pm

Cheb wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:
How many DE's are qualified to man our right side? Please refrain from laughing!


I expect Vinny Curry and Noah Spence to platoon at right end. JPP gets the lion's share of reps at left end and Gholston spells him as needed. Whoever wins the final spots between Will Clarke, Ryan Russell, and a gaggle of JAGs can fight for whatever scraps are left over. Unrein may see snaps at defensive end in some packages, as might Vea.


Yeah, I dont know either.

Ryan Russell isnt with us at this time.
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Re: Buccaneers Road to the Final 53 Thread, 2018 Edition

Postby DreadNaught » Mon May 14, 2018 9:17 pm

mdb1958 wrote:
Cheb wrote:
I expect Vinny Curry and Noah Spence to platoon at right end. JPP gets the lion's share of reps at left end and Gholston spells him as needed. Whoever wins the final spots between Will Clarke, Ryan Russell, and a gaggle of JAGs can fight for whatever scraps are left over. Unrein may see snaps at defensive end in some packages, as might Vea.


Yeah, I dont know either.

Ryan Russell isnt with us at this time.


Curry and Spence mostly. Gholston can sub in as necessary if Curry gets dinged.

I don't know what there is to laugh about? Curry was a starter for the best Dline in football and was a cap casualty b/c they drafted Barnett last year in rd 1.

Health is the problem with Spence, but the same was true of Gerald and others early on. We'll see if that shoulder can hold up or if Spence will be forced into early retirement. But word from Koetter is Spence is up to 257lbs, so he's obviously healthy enough to bang some plates in the gym. Spence is due for a healthy season and if so I think he'll be productive.

I'm looking forward to seeing our Dline. It's all on paper right now, but that's all we got until September. I like the pieces we've added/replaced and it exceeded the expectations I had in January.
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Re: Buccaneers Road to the Final 53 Thread, 2018 Edition

Postby real bucs fan » Mon May 14, 2018 11:49 pm

JPP is the LE. Gholston is a designated run stuffing end in goaline type formations. Curry is the RE on 1st and 2nd, and will move inside for Spence on 3rd. I'll be pretty surprised if that's not the situation.
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Re: Buccaneers Road to the Final 53 Thread, 2018 Edition

Postby mdb1958 » Tue May 15, 2018 5:36 am

real bucs fan wrote:JPP is the LE. Gholston is a designated run stuffing end in goaline type formations. Curry is the RE on 1st and 2nd, and will move inside for Spence on 3rd. I'll be pretty surprised if that's not the situation.


Gholston is much more the run stuffer than Curry is, I just dont know how good he is on the right side. Curry is the average pass rusher and Spence is still hoping to reach that height in his career. Using Chebs term, we need a David Irving type JAG to step up and surprise us for a 3rd down maniac. (without enhancements) 8-)

Of course, JPP's snap count should increase because of his star power.
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Re: Buccaneers Road to the Final 53 Thread, 2018 Edition

Postby mdb1958 » Tue May 15, 2018 5:48 am

RBF, who is Curry replacing on the inside for 3rd down?
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Re: Buccaneers Road to the Final 53 Thread, 2018 Edition

Postby mdb1958 » Tue May 15, 2018 5:59 am

Wouldnt it be a bitch for Stevie to outplay Unrein in camp and still not get the nod because of guaranteed money. Jason wont want to wear that black eye. I'm curious to see how the snap count ends up for that guaranteed money.
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