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Re: Welcome M.J. Stewart

Postby real bucs fan » Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:29 pm

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Cheb wrote:So I just watched three MJ Stewart games. His 2016 game vs Stanford, and his 2017 games vs Notre Dame and Duke.

I'm not very optimistic about this one. I hope I'm wrong.

Right? I'm not seeing what the FO is seeing here.

I think he's looked at as a NB/S like how the Minkah fans wanted him to be utilized. We took Davis to be the outside CB.
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Re: Welcome M.J. Stewart

Postby Cheb » Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:29 pm

real bucs fan wrote:
Cheb wrote:So I just watched three MJ Stewart games. His 2016 game vs Stanford, and his 2017 games vs Notre Dame and Duke.

I'm not very optimistic about this one. I hope I'm wrong.


I like his tape as a safety conversion. But listening to Licht, seems as though they are going to keep him at CB for now.


I hope not. All three of those games he was a corner. Stanford beat him like a drum against the run and pass, picking on him constantly. Notre Dame stalk blocked him into oblivion. He has problems tracking the ball and contesting at the point of the catch. He did alright vs Duke, but nothing that is worthy of a second round pick.

He has talent as a blitzer and he can tackle in the open field if he's running clean. But I think he needs a redshirt year before I would want to see him getting any higher number of snaps.

Honestly, I don't think he's any better than Ryan Smith right now.
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Re: Welcome M.J. Stewart

Postby real bucs fan » Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:38 pm

Cheb wrote:
real bucs fan wrote:
I like his tape as a safety conversion. But listening to Licht, seems as though they are going to keep him at CB for now.


I hope not. All three of those games he was a corner. Stanford beat him like a drum against the run and pass, picking on him constantly. Notre Dame stalk blocked him into oblivion. He has problems tracking the ball and contesting at the point of the catch. He did alright vs Duke, but nothing that is worthy of a second round pick.

He has talent as a blitzer and he can tackle in the open field if he's running clean. But I think he needs a redshirt year before I would want to see him getting any higher number of snaps.

Honestly, I don't think he's any better than Ryan Smith right now.

The Stanford tape featured quite a bit of tough luck. I think this compilation does a good job of displaying the traits he has and the type of player he can be.
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Re: Welcome M.J. Stewart

Postby MJW » Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:51 pm

He seems very much like a natural zone corner to me. Based on everything I've seen (good and bad) in the last few hours, he shouldn't be running down the field with anybody by design. Please forgive the reference, but as a point of comparison it seems like he'd be at his best doing the things we used to ask Ronde to do. Being a pain in the ass from the slot. Blitzing. Playing the run. Playing off.

I would have been shocked by us going this direction until the Davis pick. Now it makes sense.
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Re: Welcome M.J. Stewart

Postby DreadNaught » Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:07 am

Stewart looks to be good football player near the LOS on quick routes, run support, blitzing, etc. Has good burst/short area quickness and a good tackler.

Just looks like a CB/S tweener so I like those types better at Safety.

I like Stewart matched up on RBs and TEs or reacting to the QBs eyes on zone vice having him on an island vs NFL WRs.
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Re: Welcome M.J. Stewart

Postby Ken Carson » Sat Apr 28, 2018 8:28 am

Honestly, I think we drafted him (and others) to change the way we play our defense. I think we see an end to 8-yard cushions on the outside. We drafted Vea to destroy the interior of the pocket with McCoy, JPP to pressure around the edge, and now the best things these two guys do is press man. With how well Kwon and LVD blitz, I think we are going to play a much more aggressive defense.
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Re: Welcome M.J. Stewart

Postby SIBucsFan » Sat Apr 28, 2018 10:18 am

I like what I see about M.J. Stewart. He’s a very physical and instinctual player who has the football intelligence to be moved all around the field. He could prove to be a “chess piece” type DB who can be utilized in every situation in different ways. I like the fact that he describes his number one traits as his physicality and his competitiveness. He appears to be sincere about his drive to be the best. You’d be surprised, but not every player is out for greatness. I think these attributes combined with the fact that he isn’t raw in terms of talent, and his physical abilities aren’t limited, he could be a very good defensive back for us.
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Re: Welcome M.J. Stewart

Postby real bucs fan » Sat Apr 28, 2018 10:23 am

SIBucsFan wrote:I like what I see about M.J. Stewart. He’s a very physical and instinctual player who has the football intelligence to be moved all around the field. He could prove to be a “chess piece” type DB who can be utilized in every situation in different ways. I like the fact that he describes his number one traits as his physicality and his competitiveness. He appears to be sincere about his drive to be the best. You’d be surprised, but not every player is out for greatness. I think these attributes combined with the fact that he isn’t raw in terms of talent, and his physical abilities aren’t limited, he could be a very good defensive back for us.

Ya that's what I like about him too. I didn't think he was the "type" of DB we were looking for, I thought we were looking at Strong Safety's and long boundary CBs, but clearly he was. He's one of those classic "good football players", guys who aren't going to be stars, but guys who are assets to any starting defence. He's got some versatility, so I hope we use him right.

Something to consider is the impact of the Vea and Beau Allen additions. Last year we were looking at heavier safety's while being light up front. Now we're big up front, so perhaps we can afford more athletic types at S? Because I see the mentality of a safety in Stewart, and he would be a plus athlete back there.
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Re: Welcome M.J. Stewart

Postby mdb1958 » Sat Apr 28, 2018 10:42 am

Bootz2004 wrote:From the looks of it I think we could like him at SS.


Both of them have their 2nd position listed as FS.
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Re: Welcome M.J. Stewart

Postby Bootz2004 » Sat Apr 28, 2018 10:50 am

Caradoc wrote:Lol people think we needed. James style heavyweight for SS and now this lightweight is a SS candidate?

Pick a lane people.


We need a SS period. Chris Conte is not that guy. I don't recall anyone saying we needed James because of his size. His skills set is what made him an ideal candidate. Stewart is more versatile in the mold of Minkah Fitzpatrick. Can play in the slot, on the LOS, as a blitzer, can cover RBs in the flat, TEs up the seam, can make tackles in the run game. Stewart has more than enough size to play in the box but he's versatile enough to play all over. That's why Minkah was the target for me. A versatile defender who can help out in multiple ways was much needed.
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Re: Welcome M.J. Stewart

Postby Bootz2004 » Sat Apr 28, 2018 10:50 am

mdb1958 wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:From the looks of it I think we could like him at SS.


Both of them have their 2nd position listed as FS.


Both? Stewart and who?
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Re: Welcome M.J. Stewart

Postby mdb1958 » Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:12 am

Bootz2004 wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:
Both of them have their 2nd position listed as FS.


Both? Stewart and who?



Carlton Davis.
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Re: Welcome M.J. Stewart

Postby Bootz2004 » Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:18 am

mdb1958 wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:
Both? Stewart and who?



Carlton Davis.


Oh okay.
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Re: Welcome M.J. Stewart

Postby mdb1958 » Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:22 am

Bootz2004 wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:

Carlton Davis.


Oh okay.


Put em all in the same room and cross train em, find out who has the brains!
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Re: Welcome M.J. Stewart

Postby Doctor » Sat Apr 28, 2018 12:04 pm

So we're fielding all slot corners. Great.
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Re: Welcome M.J. Stewart

Postby VauntedTampa2 » Sat Apr 28, 2018 4:15 pm

Davis and Smith
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Re: Welcome M.J. Stewart

Postby Jason Bourne » Sat Apr 28, 2018 5:37 pm

Doctor wrote:So we're fielding all slot corners. Great.



We are going to the triple nickel 3-4 hybrid defense
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Re: Welcome M.J. Stewart

Postby Bootz2004 » Sat Apr 28, 2018 5:40 pm

This is my favorite selection of the draft. I see endless possibilities with Stewart.
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Re: Welcome M.J. Stewart

Postby Terp » Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:02 pm

Doctor wrote:So we're fielding all slot corners. Great.


Davis is a prototypical outside Corner.
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Re: Welcome M.J. Stewart

Postby PrimeMinister » Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:45 pm

Bootz2004 wrote:This is my favorite selection of the draft. I see endless possibilities with Stewart.


I like the Davis pick better. What games or video did you watch of Stewart? I’d like to feel much better about this pick.
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Re: Welcome M.J. Stewart

Postby theBKwhopper » Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:55 pm

PrimeMinister wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:This is my favorite selection of the draft. I see endless possibilities with Stewart.


I like the Davis pick better. What games or video did you watch of Stewart? I’d like to feel much better about this pick.

Yeah, I'm kind of in the same boat. Stewart was probably my least favorite day two pick. Would like to see more of his play, though.
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Re: Welcome M.J. Stewart

Postby Super K » Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:57 pm

Bootz2004 wrote:This is my favorite selection of the draft. I see endless possibilities with Stewart.


Wow...that's some high praise/feedback....

Personally I don't know a damn thing about the kid, but I'll try to be optimistic...
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Re: Welcome M.J. Stewart

Postby Agent Orange » Sat Apr 28, 2018 8:50 pm

I like the fact that he was the unquestioned leader on that defense. In the highlight video they said he was the best defender on either team. Sounds to me like we got a real solid player who can play all over the field.
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Re: Welcome M.J. Stewart

Postby Bootz2004 » Sat Apr 28, 2018 8:52 pm

PrimeMinister wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:This is my favorite selection of the draft. I see endless possibilities with Stewart.


I like the Davis pick better. What games or video did you watch of Stewart? I’d like to feel much better about this pick.


I've been watching tape on him since we drafted him because I didn't know a lot. He gets his hands on a lot of passes and is constantly around the ball. Reminds me of Ronde a lot.
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Re: Welcome M.J. Stewart

Postby ImAWalkingCorpse » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:54 am

He is going to get beaten like a drum quite a bit. I don't see it with him, except as a special teams player where he won't be in open space.
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Re: Welcome M.J. Stewart

Postby real bucs fan » Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:04 am

Instead of comparing Stewart and Davis, we should recognize that we've drafted them to fill different roles.

You draft for traits, and I imagine we will be putting Stewart in a position to succeed by using him primarily as a NB/S type ala Tyrann Mathieu.

Davis is a long press man outside CB ala Richard Sherman.

(both comps are stylistic, not saying they are going to be those guys)
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Re: Welcome M.J. Stewart

Postby Terp » Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:47 pm

Reminds me of Sheldon Brown a bit.
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