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Hypothetical trade

Postby mdb1958 » Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:31 am

Could we get Vea for McCoy and a 1st round draft pick in 2019?
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Re: Hypothetical trade

Postby Jason Bourne » Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:39 am

why trade a proven probowler and one of the best Dt's in the game ? he still has a few good years left.
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Re: Hypothetical trade

Postby NYBF » Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:55 am

Did it work in Madden?
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Re: Hypothetical trade

Postby acmillis » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:00 am

mdb1958 wrote:Could we get Vea for McCoy and a 1st round draft pick in 2019?

No we could not
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Re: Hypothetical trade

Postby Hatter » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:11 am

So instead of picking Vea and putting him WITH McCoy and still having our 1st next year, you want to wait till someone else picks Vea, then offer McCoy and our 2019 1st round pick to give him to us? Am I reading that wrong? cuz thats ridiculous.
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Re: Hypothetical trade

Postby acmillis » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:47 am

Hatter wrote:So instead of picking Vea and putting him WITH McCoy and still having our 1st next year, you want to wait till someone else picks Vea, then offer McCoy and our 2019 1st round pick to give him to us? Am I reading that wrong? cuz thats ridiculous.

I read it as some team picks Vea, we trade McCoy for Vea and that other teams 1st in 2019...either way, no chance of this happening.
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Re: Hypothetical trade

Postby DreadNaught » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:47 am

mdb1958 wrote:Could we get Vea for McCoy and a 1st round draft pick in 2019?


Vea is a projected first round pick. I'm not sure exactly what the question is here. But McCoy is not worth two 1st round picks (Vea + '19 1st rounder) and it would be dumb imo to trade away McCoy + our own '19 1st rounder in order to move back into round 1 to draft Vea (after we draft whoever at 7 I presume).
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Re: Hypothetical trade

Postby mdb1958 » Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:22 am

acmillis wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:Could we get Vea for McCoy and a 1st round draft pick in 2019?

No we could not


Yeah, I agree. But I also think it will be the last year where we could have gotten maybe a little for him.
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Re: Hypothetical trade

Postby mdb1958 » Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:45 am

All this time I thought ya'll were pretending!

It would be McCoy plus our 2019 1st rounder to come back in and make a team an offer - then pick Vea.


For the record, 32 is when we dumped Sapp.
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Re: Hypothetical trade

Postby Noles1724 » Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:34 pm

Hatter wrote:So instead of picking Vea and putting him WITH McCoy and still having our 1st next year, you want to wait till someone else picks Vea, then offer McCoy and our 2019 1st round pick to give him to us? Am I reading that wrong? cuz thats ridiculous.


bless your little heart for trying to understand an mdb post.
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Re: Hypothetical trade

Postby theBKwhopper » Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:41 pm

I thought he wanted us to draft Vea and then trade him and McCoy for a 2019 first round pick?
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Re: Hypothetical trade

Postby mdb1958 » Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:52 pm

Remember this thread, because it was about getting something for Gerald or getting nothing for Gerald.
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Re: Hypothetical trade

Postby theBKwhopper » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:05 pm

I'd rather just get more all-pro play FROM Gerald.
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Re: Hypothetical trade

Postby DreadNaught » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:06 pm

mdb1958 wrote:Remember this thread, because it was about getting something for Gerald or getting nothing for Gerald.


We're getting a few more years from a perennial pro-bowl DT that is arguably the 2nd best interior DL when it comes to pressuring the QB.

That is not "nothing".
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Re: Hypothetical trade

Postby Super K » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:07 pm

mdb1958 wrote:Remember this thread, because it was about getting something for Gerald or getting nothing for Gerald.


I know folks are busting your chops, but I don't disagree with the premise of your thought process...

He is long in the tooth...he is near the end...

If we were somehow able to grab Chubb (OOCA) AND Vea?...Lawdy Lawdy...
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Re: Hypothetical trade

Postby theBKwhopper » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:10 pm

Super K wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:Remember this thread, because it was about getting something for Gerald or getting nothing for Gerald.


I know folks are busting your chops, but I don't disagree with the premise of your thought process...

He is long in the tooth...he is near the end...

If we were somehow able to grab Chubb (OOCA) AND Vea?...Lawdy Lawdy...

How in this hypothetical trade would we be able to get both Chubb and Vea?
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Re: Hypothetical trade

Postby Super K » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:15 pm

theBKwhopper wrote:
Super K wrote:
I know folks are busting your chops, but I don't disagree with the premise of your thought process...

He is long in the tooth...he is near the end...

If we were somehow able to grab Chubb (OOCA) AND Vea?...Lawdy Lawdy...

How in this hypothetical trade would we be able to get both Chubb and Vea?


That's really not the point, that part was just some daydreaming...

I mean I can't realistically bed Abigail Ratchford, but I still daydream about it..
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Re: Hypothetical trade

Postby mdb1958 » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:40 pm

Super K wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:Remember this thread, because it was about getting something for Gerald or getting nothing for Gerald.


I know folks are busting your chops, but I don't disagree with the premise of your thought process...

He is long in the tooth...he is near the end...

If we were somehow able to grab Chubb (OOCA) AND Vea?...Lawdy Lawdy...


He is (Chubb) the guy I used our first round pick on. I still would like to get Vea and that is why I posed the question if McCoy and our 1st round pick in 2019 would be enough to get Vea.

If a team thought they could make McCoy work for them he is still under contract for 5 years @ 50 plus mil.
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Re: Hypothetical trade

Postby DreadNaught » Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:02 pm

mdb1958 wrote:
Super K wrote:
I know folks are busting your chops, but I don't disagree with the premise of your thought process...

He is long in the tooth...he is near the end...

If we were somehow able to grab Chubb (OOCA) AND Vea?...Lawdy Lawdy...


He is (Chubb) the guy I used our first round pick on. I still would like to get Vea and that is why I posed the question if McCoy and our 1st round pick in 2019 would be enough to get Vea.

If a team thought they could make McCoy work for them he is still under contract for 5 years @ 50 plus mil.


Our '19 first rounder and something far less then McCoy should be enough to get back into round 1. I wouldn't package them both together. Why not just send this years 3rd and next years 1st to get back into this years 1st for Vea. Then we have Vea and McCoy + whoever we drafted 7th overall.

Much better for the Bucs and not overpaying by sending our best defender and next years 1st round pick.
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Re: Hypothetical trade

Postby terrytate » Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:03 pm

mdb1958 wrote:All this time I thought ya'll were pretending!

It would be McCoy plus our 2019 1st rounder to come back in and make a team an offer - then pick Vea.


For the record, 32 is when we dumped Sapp.



And the dumping of Sapp was generally considered a bad move. He still had the game to pull 10 sacks a season. Oakland mishandled him for much of his time, but the one year they let him play his brand of football he dropped 10 sacks and a pro bowl season for them.

We need to have a plan for the years after McCoy, but that trade should and likely would get Licht fired. Personally, I like Taven Bryan. If we want another guy like McCoy who can blast immediately into the backfield from the 3, he's my guy. The Bucs may have different plans about their DLine of the future though.
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Re: Hypothetical trade

Postby mdb1958 » Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:22 pm

terrytate wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:All this time I thought ya'll were pretending!

It would be McCoy plus our 2019 1st rounder to come back in and make a team an offer - then pick Vea.


For the record, 32 is when we dumped Sapp.



And the dumping of Sapp was generally considered a bad move. He still had the game to pull 10 sacks a season. Oakland mishandled him for much of his time, but the one year they let him play his brand of football he dropped 10 sacks and a pro bowl season for them.

We need to have a plan for the years after McCoy, but that trade should and likely would get Licht fired. Personally, I like Taven Bryan. If we want another guy like McCoy who can blast immediately into the backfield from the 3, he's my guy. The Bucs may have different plans about their DLine of the future though.


The only thing wrong with the Sapp move is they failed to have a viable option. He got 19.5 sacks for four years of Oakland.


So you would take Taven Bryan over Chubb? Or you's rather take Bryan over Vea and Chubb is already picked? I think Vea could be a serious player as a 4-3 or a 3-4 nose and also offer up some positive snaps as a beat you up 5-tech.
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Re: Hypothetical trade

Postby MJW » Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:21 pm

mdb1958 wrote:The only thing wrong with the Sapp move is they failed to have a viable option. He got 19.5 sacks for four years of Oakland.


They THOUGHT they had that guy in Ellis Wyms. And Wyms wasn't terrible. But he never matched the 5.5 sack season in 2002 that got him paid.

Things might have been different if Tommie Harris had fallen one more pick in 2004.
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Re: Hypothetical trade

Postby terrytate » Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:42 pm

mdb1958 wrote:
terrytate wrote:

And the dumping of Sapp was generally considered a bad move. He still had the game to pull 10 sacks a season. Oakland mishandled him for much of his time, but the one year they let him play his brand of football he dropped 10 sacks and a pro bowl season for them.

We need to have a plan for the years after McCoy, but that trade should and likely would get Licht fired. Personally, I like Taven Bryan. If we want another guy like McCoy who can blast immediately into the backfield from the 3, he's my guy. The Bucs may have different plans about their DLine of the future though.


The only thing wrong with the Sapp move is they failed to have a viable option. He got 19.5 sacks for four years of Oakland.


So you would take Taven Bryan over Chubb? Or you's rather take Bryan over Vea and Chubb is already picked? I think Vea could be a serious player as a 4-3 or a 3-4 nose and also offer up some positive snaps as a beat you up 5-tech.


They had Sapp playing as a 2 gapper his first two years in Oakland. As soon as they put him back to the 3, bam....10 sacks.
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Re: Hypothetical trade

Postby MJW » Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:41 am

terrytate wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:
The only thing wrong with the Sapp move is they failed to have a viable option. He got 19.5 sacks for four years of Oakland.


So you would take Taven Bryan over Chubb? Or you's rather take Bryan over Vea and Chubb is already picked? I think Vea could be a serious player as a 4-3 or a 3-4 nose and also offer up some positive snaps as a beat you up 5-tech.


They had Sapp playing as a 2 gapper his first two years in Oakland. As soon as they put him back to the 3, bam....10 sacks.


Truth. They had him as a 5 tech for some insane reason. Then they moved him back to 3 tech and he was back to being Warren Sapp. He probably has 15 more career sacks if they don't waste him that way.

I'd like to point something semi-related out: We let Sapp and Lynch go a bit too soon, but credit to the organization for letting Brooks and Barber essentially retire as part of the family. We never had to see them in other jerseys. I appreciate that.
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Re: Hypothetical trade

Postby Alpha » Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:17 am

NYBF wrote:Did it work in Madden?


Surprisingly...we also picked up 3 future first round picks, as well.

Madden is AWESOME!!!111!!11
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Re: Hypothetical trade

Postby Alpha » Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:19 am

Just saw MDB started this thread.

Figures.
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Re: Hypothetical trade

Postby mdb1958 » Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:38 am

terrytate wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:
The only thing wrong with the Sapp move is they failed to have a viable option. He got 19.5 sacks for four years of Oakland.


So you would take Taven Bryan over Chubb? Or you's rather take Bryan over Vea and Chubb is already picked? I think Vea could be a serious player as a 4-3 or a 3-4 nose and also offer up some positive snaps as a beat you up 5-tech.


They had Sapp playing as a 2 gapper his first two years in Oakland. As soon as they put him back to the 3, bam....10 sacks.


Yeah but your forgetting thats the year they went 2-14. The worst out of the other three losing years.
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Re: Hypothetical trade

Postby mdb1958 » Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:44 am

MJW wrote:
terrytate wrote:
They had Sapp playing as a 2 gapper his first two years in Oakland. As soon as they put him back to the 3, bam....10 sacks.


Truth. They had him as a 5 tech for some insane reason. Then they moved him back to 3 tech and he was back to being Warren Sapp. He probably has 15 more career sacks if they don't waste him that way.

I'd like to point something semi-related out: We let Sapp and Lynch go a bit too soon, but credit to the organization for letting Brooks and Barber essentially retire as part of the family. We never had to see them in other jerseys. I appreciate that.



We didnt handle things right. I dont think we recovered any value for Lynch or Sapp and now the same thing will happen with Gerald.
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Re: Hypothetical trade

Postby mdb1958 » Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:54 am

Alpha wrote:Just saw MDB started this thread.

Figures.


Your prolly right. How we got a 2nd rounder for Gaines Adams I'll never know.


Didnt we end up with Benn instead of Gronk. Let me ask you this Alpha, if we could trade Gerald and his fifty plus mil contract - what could we get for him.
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Re: Hypothetical trade

Postby MJW » Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:49 am

mdb1958 wrote:
MJW wrote:
Truth. They had him as a 5 tech for some insane reason. Then they moved him back to 3 tech and he was back to being Warren Sapp. He probably has 15 more career sacks if they don't waste him that way.

I'd like to point something semi-related out: We let Sapp and Lynch go a bit too soon, but credit to the organization for letting Brooks and Barber essentially retire as part of the family. We never had to see them in other jerseys. I appreciate that.



We didnt handle things right. I dont think we recovered any value for Lynch or Sapp and now the same thing will happen with Gerald.


This is probably true. All I ask is that we give Gerald a playoff run or two before it happens. He's in real danger of becoming the greatest Buccaneer ever not to play in the post-season here.
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