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Re: The Free Agency Thread

Postby MJW » Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:16 am

You are what your record is. Kvetching about Belichick's mistakes is like complaining that Spielberg directed Crystal Skull.
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Re: The Free Agency Thread

Postby Bootz2004 » Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:31 am

MJW wrote:You are what your record is. Kvetching about Belichick's mistakes is like complaining that Spielberg directed Crystal Skull.


Likewise praising him every single time he makes a signing or trade is like Trump patting himself on the back for doing his job.
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Re: The Free Agency Thread

Postby MJW » Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:38 am

Bootz2004 wrote:
MJW wrote:You are what your record is. Kvetching about Belichick's mistakes is like complaining that Spielberg directed Crystal Skull.


Likewise praising him every single time he makes a signing or trade is like Trump patting himself on the back for doing his job.


I agree. He ain't perfect.

BTW, this is something Trump would do also.

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Re: The Free Agency Thread

Postby MJW » Fri Apr 06, 2018 2:53 am

Apropos of nothing, I think it's much more likely the other move the Patriots made today, signing Jordan Matthews, pays dividends. He had an injury plagued year in Buffalo, but he looked like an emerging elite possession receiver in Philly. It's entirely possible he breaks out doing Patriots things in their passing game.
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Re: The Free Agency Thread

Postby Super K » Fri Apr 06, 2018 4:32 am

MJW wrote:Apropos of nothing, I think it's much more likely the other move the Patriots made today, signing Jordan Matthews, pays dividends. He had an injury plagued year in Buffalo, but he looked like an emerging elite possession receiver in Philly. It's entirely possible he breaks out doing Patriots things in their passing game.


Agree with you here...
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Re: The Free Agency Thread

Postby Konatown » Fri Apr 06, 2018 7:15 am

That is a nice/cheap signing for the patriots. Probably won’t miss too much of a beat than having Cooks in there if Matthews can stay healthy. Brady has certainly let done more with less at the WR position.
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Re: The Free Agency Thread

Postby MJW » Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:26 am

Konatown wrote:That is a nice/cheap signing for the patriots. Probably won’t miss too much of a beat than having Cooks in there if Matthews can stay healthy. Brady has certainly let done more with less at the WR position.


It's a good group. Kenny Britt, Matthews, Edelman coming back, Chris Hogan...maybe Malcolm Mitchell, Cordarrelle Patterson, and Phillip Dorsett can contribute, too. And they still have Burkhead and White catching passes out of the backfield and their tight ends.

No good reason they won't win their usual 12 games just through precision passing and good coaching.
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Re: The Free Agency Thread

Postby Bootz2004 » Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:26 am

I get the strange feeling that if we had that group of WRs it wouldn't be seen as such a "good group" by the peanut gallery.
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Re: The Free Agency Thread

Postby MJW » Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:32 am

Bootz2004 wrote:I get the strange feeling that if we had that group of WRs it wouldn't be seen as such a "good group" by the peanut gallery.


Would we be comparing them to the group of receivers Brady has thrown at for most of his career? That was my intention. With the exception of the Moss-Welker-Stallworth era, the Patriots wide receivers have generally been significantly worse than this.
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Re: The Free Agency Thread

Postby Buc You » Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:01 am

MJW wrote:Looking forward to Bootz Steaks and Bootz Airlines.

Those come after his male escort service, Bootz Buttz, gets off the ground.
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Re: The Free Agency Thread

Postby theBKwhopper » Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:52 am

Bootz2004 wrote:I get the strange feeling that if we had that group of WRs it wouldn't be seen as such a "good group" by the peanut gallery.

It seems like a group of underachievers.
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Re: The Free Agency Thread

Postby DreadNaught » Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:07 pm

Bootz2004 wrote:I get the strange feeling that if we had that group of WRs it wouldn't be seen as such a "good group" by the peanut gallery.


Agreed, but as long as the Pats got TB12 it doesn't matter imo. They've been shuffling the receiving parts around him for years b/c they won't pay a WR (since Moss) and the offense keeps chugging along. Brady and Rodgers are about the only QBs on that level imo.
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Re: The Free Agency Thread

Postby uscbucsfan » Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:16 pm

DreadNaught wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:I get the strange feeling that if we had that group of WRs it wouldn't be seen as such a "good group" by the peanut gallery.


Agreed, but as long as the Pats got TB12 it doesn't matter imo. They've been shuffling the receiving parts around him for years b/c they won't pay a WR (since Moss) and the offense keeps chugging along. Brady and Rodgers are about the only QBs on that level imo.


Brady's quick release also hides their poor pass blocking that the Pats don't seem to be concerned about.

Much like their receivers, they can put just about any group of 4 running backs in their back field and be in the 10-15 range in total rushing yards. They are a machine, but put our coaching staff and Winston on that roster and I'm not sure we'd win more than 2 games (may be a bit dramatic).
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Re: The Free Agency Thread

Postby Bootz2004 » Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:18 pm

theBKwhopper wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:I get the strange feeling that if we had that group of WRs it wouldn't be seen as such a "good group" by the peanut gallery.

It seems like a group of underachievers.


Exactly. Anytime you say maybe Phillip Dorsett and Cordarrelle Patterson can contribute you're reaching deep into the desperation.
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Re: The Free Agency Thread

Postby DreadNaught » Fri Apr 06, 2018 2:15 pm

Rams just cut CB Kayvon Webster. With the loaded secondary in LA Webster became a cap casualty.

Kayvon is former USF Bull and underrated player imo. He is coming of an achilles injury unfortunately and likely won't be ready for TC.

He should be cheap on a 1yr prove it deal and offer some depth at CB regardless of what the Bucs do in the draft.
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Re: The Free Agency Thread

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Fri Apr 06, 2018 2:56 pm

DreadNaught wrote:Rams just cut CB Kayvon Webster. With the loaded secondary in LA Webster became a cap casualty.

Kayvon is former USF Bull and underrated player imo. He is coming of an achilles injury unfortunately and likely won't be ready for TC.

He should be cheap on a 1yr prove it deal and offer some depth at CB regardless of what the Bucs do in the draft.

Coming off a ruptured achilles
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Re: The Free Agency Thread

Postby SIBucsFan » Fri Apr 06, 2018 3:17 pm

What's the hold up with Robert McClain? Last I heard he was going to choose between the Bucs and Cardinals, and that's been almost three weeks I believe. I would rather him back for one more year.
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Re: The Free Agency Thread

Postby DreadNaught » Fri Apr 06, 2018 3:23 pm

SIBucsFan wrote:What's the hold up with Robert McClain? Last I heard he was going to choose between the Bucs and Cardinals, and that's been almost three weeks I believe. I would rather him back for one more year.


We've reached the dead period of Free Agency as both the teams and available free agents are both waiting till after the draft to find spots offer good opportunities for playing time.

Take the Bucs for example with the safety position. Available options like Reid, Vacarro, Boston don't want to sign with a team only to have them potentially draft a Safety. So if the Bucs don't draft one early they'll likely reach back out post draft and sign one to a 1-yr deal.

There is always the 2nd wave of Free Agency that we see after the draft as teams fill whatever remaining holes.
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Re: The Free Agency Thread

Postby SIBucsFan » Fri Apr 06, 2018 3:29 pm

DreadNaught wrote:
SIBucsFan wrote:What's the hold up with Robert McClain? Last I heard he was going to choose between the Bucs and Cardinals, and that's been almost three weeks I believe. I would rather him back for one more year.


We've reached the dead period of Free Agency as both the teams and available free agents are both waiting till after the draft to find spots offer good opportunities for playing time.

Take the Bucs for example with the safety position. Available options like Reid, Vacarro, Boston don't want to sign with a team only to have them potentially draft a Safety. So if the Bucs don't draft one early they'll likely reach back out post draft and sign one to a 1-yr deal.

There is always the 2nd wave of Free Agency that we see after the draft as teams fill whatever remaining holes.



That makes sense. I actually thought about that when it came to our lack of interest (or so it seems) of safeties available. I guess that's what has happened with McClain too. It just seemed like he was going to make a decision very soon, which was now three weeks ago.

Smart move on both parties to wait based on this.
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Re: The Free Agency Thread

Postby Doctor » Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:50 pm

Never one to read too much into FA moves as they relate to the math, you would think we would have signed a safety by now, unless JL can't promise them a starting job. Hmm...
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Re: The Free Agency Thread

Postby MJW » Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:54 pm

Bootz2004 wrote:
theBKwhopper wrote:It seems like a group of underachievers.


Exactly. Anytime you say maybe Phillip Dorsett and Cordarrelle Patterson can contribute you're reaching deep into the desperation.


Yeah, Tom Brady has never elevated underachievers before. Good call fam.
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Re: The Free Agency Thread

Postby Bootz2004 » Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:59 pm

MJW wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:
Exactly. Anytime you say maybe Phillip Dorsett and Cordarrelle Patterson can contribute you're reaching deep into the desperation.


Yeah, Tom Brady has never elevated underachievers before. Good call fam.


That point is true. But to say "it's a good group" and act as if Dorsett or Patterson are bringing something to the table is complete fiction, kyddo.
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Re: The Free Agency Thread

Postby Doctor » Sun Apr 08, 2018 5:06 pm

MJW wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:
Exactly. Anytime you say maybe Phillip Dorsett and Cordarrelle Patterson can contribute you're reaching deep into the desperation.


Yeah, Tom Brady has never elevated underachievers before. Good call fam.

Both are fine points. Those names shouldn't give anyone confidence, but Brady don't give a **** about names.
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Re: The Free Agency Thread

Postby theBKwhopper » Sun Apr 08, 2018 6:08 pm

MJW wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:
Exactly. Anytime you say maybe Phillip Dorsett and Cordarrelle Patterson can contribute you're reaching deep into the desperation.


Yeah, Tom Brady has never elevated underachievers before. Good call fam.

I'm not saying he can't make them look good. I'm just not impressed with the group itself.
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Re: The Free Agency Thread

Postby Bootz2004 » Sun Apr 08, 2018 6:15 pm

theBKwhopper wrote:
MJW wrote:
Yeah, Tom Brady has never elevated underachievers before. Good call fam.

I'm not saying he can't make them look good. I'm just not impressed with the group itself.


And that was my point as well. Brady can make some wine out water but that doesn't mean the group is any good to begin with.
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Re: The Free Agency Thread

Postby terrytate » Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:45 pm

MJW wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:
Exactly. Anytime you say maybe Phillip Dorsett and Cordarrelle Patterson can contribute you're reaching deep into the desperation.


Yeah, Tom Brady has never elevated underachievers before. Good call fam.



Normally I'd agree. This year could be the year it all comes down though. Brady is even older, he apparently has some drama with Bill, he lost his LT and who knows what Edleman will be when he comes back, he lost his RB too.
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Re: The Free Agency Thread

Postby Doctor » Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:37 pm

Well Nikklas prob not, but he'll turn Jordan Matthews into a monster in his slot offense. Edelmen is 31 and coming off an injury.
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Re: The Free Agency Thread

Postby Teitan » Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:38 pm

Eric Reid visiting Bengals. Strong chance of signing.
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Re: The Free Agency Thread

Postby The Outsider » Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:00 pm

Edelman and Hogan are pretty well known commodities with Brady as a QB. Matthews will be great for the Pats. The rest of the guys are just guys. I kind of have to ride the fence a little bit. It isn't a stellar group of receivers but it isn't awful. If I was a Pats fan I'd be comfortable because we all know that Brady is gonna Brady. If it were our situation I'd be a little concerned.
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Re: The Free Agency Thread

Postby Bootz2004 » Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:13 pm

What exactly is Hogan well known for? His production with and without Brady is about the same. 35-38 catches, about 450-500 yards and 2-4 TDs. That's a well known commodity to you?
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