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What if 2018 Bucs post winning season but miss the playoffs?

Postby DanTurksGhost » Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:31 am

If the 2018 Bucs post a winning season, let's say 9-7, but end up missing the playoffs yet again. Do you think they should stick with Koetter or make a move in a different direction? Now of course I know some of that depends on exactly HOW they look in getting to 9-7, but let's take that out of it for now since there's a long way to go before we can assess that aspect of the season. Just based on record and yet another year without getting into the postseason, would you be in favor of giving Koetter yet another year or would you rather them dismiss him and give someone else a shot?
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Re: What if 2018 Bucs post winning season but miss the playo

Postby mdb1958 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:59 am

When the fans want a playoff team but dont want the team to draft to build the defense you hang around last place in the division. Its the teams fault, but if you want facts 5 of McCoys 8 years here have been in the cellar of the NFCS.

If this team identifies players in this draft that they believe can change that distinction. I say go for it even if you use some picks designated for next year. Its either that or you shake things up and go in a different direction. As I have already hinted around, that too may be easier said than done.

Carolina has been the defensive leader for a while, then Atl took steps to build up followed by New Orleans and we are hanging last yet to do it. I may not be stat factual, but more in line with the thinking of balance to become winners.
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Re: What if 2018 Bucs post winning season but miss the playo

Postby Zarniwoop » Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:33 am

They could always print Super Bowl champs t-shirts anyway
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Re: What if 2018 Bucs post winning season but miss the playo

Postby PrimeMinister » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:06 am

Zarniwoop wrote:They could always print Super Bowl champs t-shirts anyway


Well we are in Florida.
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Re: What if 2018 Bucs post winning season but miss the playo

Postby acmillis » Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:28 am

DanTurksGhost wrote:If the 2018 Bucs post a winning season, let's say 9-7, but end up missing the playoffs yet again. Do you think they should stick with Koetter or make a move in a different direction? Now of course I know some of that depends on exactly HOW they look in getting to 9-7, but let's take that out of it for now since there's a long way to go before we can assess that aspect of the season. Just based on record and yet another year without getting into the postseason, would you be in favor of giving Koetter yet another year or would you rather them dismiss him and give someone else a shot?

Two winning seasons out of three...when is the last time we did that with the same coach?!?!? Oh... a decade ago? Yes, you keep DK at that point. The Devil you know is better than the one you don't IMO.
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Re: What if 2018 Bucs post winning season but miss the playo

Postby Teitan » Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:30 am

acmillis wrote:
DanTurksGhost wrote:If the 2018 Bucs post a winning season, let's say 9-7, but end up missing the playoffs yet again. Do you think they should stick with Koetter or make a move in a different direction? Now of course I know some of that depends on exactly HOW they look in getting to 9-7, but let's take that out of it for now since there's a long way to go before we can assess that aspect of the season. Just based on record and yet another year without getting into the postseason, would you be in favor of giving Koetter yet another year or would you rather them dismiss him and give someone else a shot?

Two winning seasons out of three...when is the last time we did that?!?!? Yes, you keep DK at that point. The Devil you know is better than the one you don't IMO.



No, we obviously trade our draft to Oakland
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Re: What if 2018 Bucs post winning season but miss the playo

Postby Jason Bourne » Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:35 am

You keep Dirk , it means the Team is getting better. Building through the draft and having some stability and winning 9-10 games is what we are looking for ....On our way to winning 13 games in a season .
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Re: What if 2018 Bucs post winning season but miss the playo

Postby Super K » Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:36 am

acmillis wrote:
DanTurksGhost wrote:If the 2018 Bucs post a winning season, let's say 9-7, but end up missing the playoffs yet again. Do you think they should stick with Koetter or make a move in a different direction? Now of course I know some of that depends on exactly HOW they look in getting to 9-7, but let's take that out of it for now since there's a long way to go before we can assess that aspect of the season. Just based on record and yet another year without getting into the postseason, would you be in favor of giving Koetter yet another year or would you rather them dismiss him and give someone else a shot?

Two winning seasons out of three...when is the last time we did that with the same coach?!?!? Oh... a decade ago? Yes, you keep DK at that point. The Devil you know is better than the one you don't IMO.


Yep...
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Re: What if 2018 Bucs post winning season but miss the playo

Postby Super K » Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:37 am

Jason Bourne wrote:You keep Dirk , it means the Team is getting better. Building through the draft and having some stability and winning 9-10 games is what we are looking for ....On our way to winning 13 games in a season .


Double yep..
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Re: What if 2018 Bucs post winning season but miss the playo

Postby UbuntuBuc » Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:57 am

If the team has a winning record then coach K should be retained.
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Re: What if 2018 Bucs post winning season but miss the playo

Postby Konatown » Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:10 am

As you said, depends on how we look doing it. But a winning season keeps dirk around, heck 7-9 or 8-8 May do it.

If we can fix our running game and get even an average pass rush, I see us playing meaningful football in December.
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Re: What if 2018 Bucs post winning season but miss the playo

Postby Swashy » Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:10 am

If we post a winning season but don't make the playoffs then the only appropriate response is to immediately re-sign Koetter, spend a 1st round pick on a kicker, waiting til the 7th for a DB and making ZERO attempt at the multiple potential free agent offensive linemen in 2019 and instead focus on re-signing Sweezy.
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Re: What if 2018 Bucs post winning season but miss the playo

Postby DreadNaught » Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:11 am

Like others mentioned that would make 2 winning season out of 3 years, not something this franchise has done very often.

Couple that with the assumption that Jameis Winston continues to progress, which at this point would really just him learning to cut his losses when a play isn't there to be made, and I think it would be foolish to change head coaches after 2018.

Now if we were to fall back to 5-11/6-10 in 2019 than absolutely make a change.
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Re: What if 2018 Bucs post winning season but miss the playo

Postby MarineBuc » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:32 am

9-7 with next yrs schedule will get DK another year for sure.

Eagles, Cowboys, Giants, Redskins, Ravens, Steelers and 9ers present a damn daunting task.
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Re: What if 2018 Bucs post winning season but miss the playo

Postby Teitan » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:37 am

MarineBuc wrote:9-7 with next yrs schedule will get DK another year for sure.

Eagles, Cowboys, Giants, Redskins, Ravens, Steelers and 9ers present a damn daunting task.


Does it?
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Re: What if 2018 Bucs post winning season but miss the playo

Postby real bucs fan » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:39 am

Firing for the sake of firing is silly. I'm a believer in continuity- until say a dressing room is lost and a change needs to be made. Back to back losing seasons are nailed coffin, but firing Dirk after a winning season? What does that do for the franchise?
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Re: What if 2018 Bucs post winning season but miss the playo

Postby Deuce » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:39 am

MarineBuc wrote:9-7 with next yrs schedule will get DK another year for sure.

Eagles, Cowboys, Giants, Redskins, Ravens, Steelers and 9ers present a damn daunting task.


We're gonna freak out about the schedule already? That's already bad enough at the beginning of the season.

Eagles could have caught lightning in a bottle this year. We'll see about next.
The Giants will have a new coach and possibly new QB.
The Redskins may not have Cousins.
The Ravens have no offense, we'll see if their D is amazing again.
Big Ben could retire.
The 49ers were one of the worst teams this year. Plus teams will have tape on Jimmy G.

Not saying any of these will happen but let's not freak out yet. One year does not equal the next in the NFL. Think about the end of 2016, fans of some teams probably looked at the next year's schedule and said "aw crap, we face the Bucs next year!"
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Re: What if 2018 Bucs post winning season but miss the playo

Postby mdb1958 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:42 am

Hey all we need is a fantasy football running back and were there...
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Re: What if 2018 Bucs post winning season but miss the playo

Postby mdb1958 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:50 am

While I'm feeling mean and nasty, havnt all of ya'lls super backs tasted the playoff dust - as in bye bye...

I guess Fournette and Kamara got some 2 yard average runs, so there is that to hang your hat on.
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Re: What if 2018 Bucs post winning season but miss the playo

Postby MarineBuc » Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:13 am

Deuce wrote:
MarineBuc wrote:9-7 with next yrs schedule will get DK another year for sure.

Eagles, Cowboys, Giants, Redskins, Ravens, Steelers and 9ers present a damn daunting task.


We're gonna freak out about the schedule already? That's already bad enough at the beginning of the season.

Eagles could have caught lightning in a bottle this year. We'll see about next. Wentz is/was a legit MVP Candidate...should be completely healthy for next seasonThe Giants will have a new coach and possibly new QB.
The Redskins may not have Cousins.
The Ravens have no offense, we'll see if their D is amazing again.
Big Ben could retire. Horseshit
The 49ers were one of the worst teams this year. Plus teams will have tape on Jimmy G. Jimmy G is 5-0 as a starter and has brought a spark to that team
Not saying any of these will happen but let's not freak out yet. One year does not equal the next in the NFL. Think about the end of 2016, fans of some teams probably looked at the next year's schedule and said "aw crap, we face the Bucs next year!"


Freak out? A bit overstated...just pointing out that the schedule is what it is...I get it, success this year doesn't equal success next year. It's silly to not recognize a "difficult" schedule...because at the end of the day...there are not any "easy" games in the NFL.
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Re: What if 2018 Bucs post winning season but miss the playo

Postby beardmcdoug » Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:14 am

what if we go 8-8
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Re: What if 2018 Bucs post winning season but miss the playo

Postby Buc2 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:25 am

What if we go 12-4 and shock the world?
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Re: What if 2018 Bucs post winning season but miss the playo

Postby Buc You » Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:28 am

Buc2 wrote:What if we go 12-4 and shock the world?

Then Koetter should be fired.
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Re: What if 2018 Bucs post winning season but miss the playo

Postby Bootz2004 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:34 am

Buc2 wrote:What if we go 12-4 and shock the world?


12-4 wouldn't shock me next year. Especially if we address the pass rush.
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Re: What if 2018 Bucs post winning season but miss the playo

Postby Phantom Phenom » Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:39 am

what if we go 16-0 and shock the world

First undefeated season since 72 Dolphins
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Re: What if 2018 Bucs post winning season but miss the playo

Postby Nano » Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:43 am

What if we go 0-16
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Re: What if 2018 Bucs post winning season but miss the playo

Postby Bootz2004 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:53 am

Nano wrote:What if we go 0-16


throw the whole team away
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Re: What if 2018 Bucs post winning season but miss the playo

Postby NYBF » Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:03 pm

Phantom Phenom wrote:what if we go 16-0 and shock the world

First undefeated season since 72 Dolphins


umm...
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Re: What if 2018 Bucs post winning season but miss the playo

Postby Kress » Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:06 pm

18-0. Pencil it in.
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Re: What if 2018 Bucs post winning season but miss the playo

Postby Deja Entendu » Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:39 pm

Bootz2004 wrote:
Buc2 wrote:What if we go 12-4 and shock the world?


12-4 wouldn't shock me next year. Especially if we address the pass rush.


Me either. My expectations are 10+ wins, anything less will be a disappointment for me -- including 9-7 and missing the playoffs.

In my opinion, we shouldn't just be building on what we did this year, but working to realize the failed potential of this year AND building on that (namely with a pass rush).

To answer the OP, even though I'd be disappointed at 9-7, I don't think I'd fire Koetter. As has been stated, though it's almost entirely dependent on HOW we got to 9-7.
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