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Re: Buccaneers Free Agents

Postby Bootz2004 » Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:06 am

Jason Bourne wrote:
DanTurksGhost wrote:Grimes is a must re-sign, unless we get Malcolm Butler or something. If we lose Grimes and don't replace him with TWO quality starters, we're screwed.


Need to sign Grimes and the honey badger
Not sure how Desean would feel about it tho ...lol

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-high ... an-Jackson


LOL! He'd be happy because now that guy is on his team
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Re: Buccaneers Free Agents

Postby Caradoc » Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:48 pm

DanTurksGhost wrote:Grimes is a must re-sign, unless we get Malcolm Butler or something. If we lose Grimes and don't replace him with TWO quality starters, we're screwed.



Miko was hinting Grimes was done around week 8. I really doubt he plays again.
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Re: Buccaneers Free Agents

Postby mdb1958 » Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:24 pm

Jason Bourne wrote:
DanTurksGhost wrote:Grimes is a must re-sign, unless we get Malcolm Butler or something. If we lose Grimes and don't replace him with TWO quality starters, we're screwed.


Need to sign Grimes and the honey badger
Not sure how Desean would feel about it tho ...lol

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-high ... an-Jackson




The badger guy wont be a free agent till 2022
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Re: Buccaneers Free Agents

Postby Bootz2004 » Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:30 pm

mdb1958 wrote:
Jason Bourne wrote:
Need to sign Grimes and the honey badger
Not sure how Desean would feel about it tho ...lol

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-high ... an-Jackson




The badger guy wont be a free agent till 2022


There is talk that the Cardinals might cut him.
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Re: Buccaneers Free Agents

Postby mdb1958 » Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:55 pm

Bootz2004 wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:


The badger guy wont be a free agent till 2022


There is talk that the Cardinals might cut him.


Thats because players like Kevin Byard come around.
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Re: Buccaneers Free Agents

Postby Jason Bourne » Sat Jan 06, 2018 5:26 pm

mdb1958 wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:
There is talk that the Cardinals might cut him.


Thats because players like Kevin Byard come around.


Think it’s because he makes 10 million next year with roster bonus
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Re: Buccaneers Free Agents

Postby Naismith » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:14 pm

UbuntuBuc wrote:UFA:
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Evan Smith C
Clinton McDonald DT
Keith Tandy FS
Robert McClain CB
Charles Sims RB
Will Clarke DE
Kevin Pamphile G

Who would you want to try and sign?

RFA:
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Adarius Glanton OLB
Cameron Brate TE
Jude Adjei-Barimah CB
Adam Humphries WR
Kevin Pamphile G
Ryan Russell DE

Who would you want the Buccaneers to tender offers too?

ERFA:
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Peyton Barber RB
Patrick Murray K
Javien Elliott CB

Who would you want the Buccaneers to tender offers too?


I'd want all of these guys back (Pamphile twice, apparently).
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Re: Buccaneers Free Agents

Postby mdb1958 » Sun Jan 07, 2018 7:06 am

Jason Bourne wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:
Thats because players like Kevin Byard come around.


Think it’s because he makes 10 million next year with roster bonus




One hand high fives the other.
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Re: Buccaneers Free Agents

Postby Bootz2004 » Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:44 pm

Our 2018 Free agent list ihas the potential to be much more interesting.

Donovan Smith
Ali Marpet
Kwon Alexander
Mike Evans
Jamie’s Winston(Assuming we don’t pick up his option which we will)
Robert Ayers
Chris Conte

At minimum we extend the 1st 5 names. This is also a reason I don’t see the resources being used to extend a #2 TE.
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Re: Buccaneers Free Agents

Postby Caradoc » Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:48 pm

Ayers is probably gone this year, Conte next. The other four will be interesting.
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Re: Buccaneers Free Agents

Postby PrimeMinister » Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:02 pm

Caradoc wrote:Ayers is probably gone this year, Conte next. The other four will be interesting.


No they won’t. They’ll be on the team in 2019. No chance one of them leaves the Bucs.
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Re: Buccaneers Free Agents

Postby LavonteDavid54 » Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:49 pm

Jason Bourne wrote:
DanTurksGhost wrote:Grimes is a must re-sign, unless we get Malcolm Butler or something. If we lose Grimes and don't replace him with TWO quality starters, we're screwed.


Need to sign Grimes and the honey badger
Not sure how Desean would feel about it tho ...lol

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-high ... an-Jackson

I'd be happy with that.
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Re: Buccaneers Free Agents

Postby Caradoc » Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:59 am

PrimeMinister wrote:
Caradoc wrote:Ayers is probably gone this year, Conte next. The other four will be interesting.


No they won’t. They’ll be on the team in 2019. No chance one of them leaves the Bucs.


Interesting in how they get paid. And Kwon isn't guaranteed any longer.
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Re: Buccaneers Free Agents

Postby ComingThisFall » Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:16 am

Caradoc wrote:
PrimeMinister wrote:
No they won’t. They’ll be on the team in 2019. No chance one of them leaves the Bucs.


Interesting in how they get paid. And Kwon isn't guaranteed any longer.


Yeah Beckwith could be taking over for Kwon

And don’t anyone’s kid themselves. Conte will definitely be getting a multi year contract because...um...Conte
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Re: Buccaneers Free Agents

Postby MikeC » Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:21 am

We also have to take age into consideration. DJax isn’t getting any younger and Brate still has a lot of gas left in the tank. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Bucs choose Evans/Godwin/Humph and Howard/Brate over Evans/DJax/Godwin and Howard/Auclair(?) for the long term plan. Assuming DJax money isn’t guaranteed...
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Re: Buccaneers Free Agents

Postby Bootz2004 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:47 am

FA will really tell us 1 thing. How the league views a guy like Cameron Brate and his value. Some saying he's easily a top 5 TE. If that's the case some team will without question sign him to an offer sheet and show their willingness to part with a 1st or 2nd round pick.
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Re: Buccaneers Free Agents

Postby DreadNaught » Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:54 am

Bootz2004 wrote:FA will really tell us 1 thing. How the league views a guy like Cameron Brate and his value. Some saying he's easily a top 5 TE. If that's the case some team will without question sign him to an offer sheet and show their willingness to part with a 1st or 2nd round pick.


If we could get EITHER a 1st or 2nd for Brate I'll do cartwheels.
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Re: Buccaneers Free Agents

Postby Caradoc » Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:08 am

Nobody says he's easily top 5. And nobody is going to give a 1st
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Re: Buccaneers Free Agents

Postby Bootz2004 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:08 am

DreadNaught wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:FA will really tell us 1 thing. How the league views a guy like Cameron Brate and his value. Some saying he's easily a top 5 TE. If that's the case some team will without question sign him to an offer sheet and show their willingness to part with a 1st or 2nd round pick.


If we could get EITHER a 1st or 2nd for Brate I'll do cartwheels.


As would I.
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Re: Buccaneers Free Agents

Postby Deuce » Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:19 am

Bootz2004 wrote:FA will really tell us 1 thing. How the league views a guy like Cameron Brate and his value. Some saying he's easily a top 5 TE. If that's the case some team will without question sign him to an offer sheet and show their willingness to part with a 1st or 2nd round pick.


Brate is a solid TE, maybe among the top 10 "big receivers who play TE" in the league. No way he is a top 5 TE. The Bucs will place a 2nd round tender on him and he will stay, I'd bet anything on it.
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Re: Buccaneers Free Agents

Postby DreadNaught » Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:31 am

Deuce wrote:The Bucs will place a 2nd round tender on him and he will stay, I'd bet anything on it.


This is how I see it happening also, although some team may value Brate enough to give up a 2nd or 3rd for the right to sign him. Just b/c the Bucs place a 2nd round tender doesn't necessarily mean we have to get a 2nd in return, that is just the most we'd get. We could certainly settle for a 3rd, which if we don't plan on extending Brate after 2018 would be the most return we could get for him.

The Brate situation will be an interesting dynamic this offseason for sure. Do we pass on a 3rd round pick just to hold onto him for one more season? I think his production will elevate his market value beyond what the Bucs should invest in their #2 TE long term and you can't expect a player entering his earning prime to take any kind of discount. Brate deserves to get paid, I just don't think it will be by the Bucs.
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Re: Buccaneers Free Agents

Postby MikeC » Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:01 pm

I don’t think it will be the Bucs either but if we run a 2TE set and want good players at those positions, then pay up.

The Patriots did it in 2012 with Gronk ($8.5M) and Aaron Homicidez ($12M).
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Re: Buccaneers Free Agents

Postby Caradoc » Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:10 pm

No reason to not put a first round tender on him. The dollars on that are small - lat year was 3.9 million IIRC, Should be under 5 this year. No reason not to pay that to have a guy like Brate. If he was UFA he's getting somewhere between 5-7 a year, probably closer to the 7 side. It the pick that will deter people, not the salary. If you put a second on him, you are lowballing him salary-wise, and some team may come in and grab him - a second rounder for a top 10 TE isn't a bad investment if you aren't already set there. Especially if you are drafting a new QB. Get him a proven go-to safety blanket. No reason for us not to keep him The tough decision doesn't need to come until it's time to sign Howard. Best case, give him a front loaded deal that makes it easy to trade him in a couple of years when we are sure what we have in Howard and the developmental guys behind him.
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Re: Buccaneers Free Agents

Postby Naismith » Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:33 pm

I think the Bucs would love to have someone sign him with a second round tender in place.
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Re: Buccaneers Free Agents

Postby DanTurksGhost » Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:27 am

Brate is not top 5, but he is top 10 in my estimation. I expect the Bucs will put a second round tender on him. I'd rather they work out a long-term deal, but I doubt he and his agent are interested in that, especially considering that 2018 could potentially be Koetter's last season here as HC. The Bucs will tender him and he'll stay for one more season and then be gone. Hopefully Howard will continue to get better and more involved and live up to his potential and Auclair will develop into the TE the Bucs think he is.
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Re: Buccaneers Free Agents

Postby mdb1958 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:51 am

If Brate gets a one year deal and breaks off 10 TD's, is he going anywhere? The way I think, he pushes Howard to live up to his billing and excel too. If you distribute the ball in a way that doesnt allow players to think they deserve 70 million dollar contracts you may just keep them longer.
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Re: Buccaneers Free Agents

Postby tjax03 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:59 am

Umm Yea Brate needs to stay.

Cant imagine him going to the Patriots or some crap.
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Re: Buccaneers Free Agents

Postby pewterpirates » Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:07 am

tjax03 wrote:Umm Yea Brate needs to stay.

Cant imagine him going to the Patriots or some crap.


Or worse....The Saints (who he was with at one point). I could see New Orleans making a run at him. Their TE production has really fallen off. And I seem to recall Payton or Brees commenting on how they hated that Brate got away from them. Heck, same with ATL. It would suck to lose Brate period, but losing him to a division foe & facing him twice a year would also suck.


And even though I personally love Brate, no one is going to give up a 1st or 2nd for him. When I said he was a top 5 TE (admittedly, a little overboard), I meant purely in terms of production, particularly red zone & 3rd down. If you lined up all the TEs in the NFL, he wouldn't be one of the top 5 picked, obviously. But I think he holds higher value to us than some fans here think.
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Re: Buccaneers Free Agents

Postby DreadNaught » Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:17 am

Caradoc wrote:No reason to not put a first round tender on him.


Why place a 1st round tender, when a 2nd round tender would accomplish the same goal? Why pay an extra million when you don't have to?

Assuming a team offered a contract to Brate in addition to giving the Bucs a 2nd round pick (highly unlikely fwiw), are you saying you wouldn't take a 2nd rounder for Cam Brate given that we already have OJ Howard along with Evans, DJax, Godwin, Hump?

Even if a team made that offer to Brate and was willing to give the Bucs a 2nd rounder, it's still up to the Bucs to decide whether they would want to accept that deal or match the contract offer and keep Brate.

Idk, I like Brate. But his future in Tampa is as a #2 TE. So if we could flip him into a 2nd rounder and use that to address RB, pass rush, or Oline I would be all for it.
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Re: Buccaneers Free Agents

Postby UbuntuBuc » Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:19 pm

For those thinking that Cam Brate is not important...

The three teams that got more yards from the position all had a single Pro Bowl tight end doing most of the damage (Kansas City's Travis Kelce, New England's Rob Gronkowski and Philadelphia's Zach Ertz). The Buccaneers were the only team that had two tight ends crack the 400-yard mark and the only team that had two tight ends with at least six touchdown receptions.


Only six of the NFL's 32 teams got at least 1,000 yards out of their tight end groups in 2017. Tampa Bay got the fourth-most yards and the third-most touchdowns out of the position, and its tight ends averaged 13.4 yards per catch, second only to New England (14.2).


source: buccaneers.com

I think the Buccaneers will sign Brate to a 2nd round tender.
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