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Re: ***2018 Official NFL Off-Season Thread***

Postby Teitan » Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:36 am

Bridgewater to hit FA. My guess is Vikings sign Cousins and Browns throw tons of money at Bridgewater.
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Re: ***2018 Official NFL Off-Season Thread***

Postby Rocker » Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:41 am

That would be a very Cleveland thing to do.
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Re: ***2018 Official NFL Off-Season Thread***

Postby Bootz2004 » Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:45 am

Cleveland would be much MUCH better off drafting a QB than they would be throwing a ton of money to a QB who hasn't taken a meaningful snap since 2015 and was below average to begin with.
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Re: ***2018 Official NFL Off-Season Thread***

Postby uscbucsfan » Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:56 am

NYBF wrote:
Four Verticals wrote:
Did you read the story?


by fining him millions of dollars for his efforts to to derail negotiations to renew Goodell’s contract and for his outspoken defense of a star player who was suspended,

They are just making him repay the lawyer fees associated with that. It's part of the agreement between owners and is standard. If you sue the other owners and lose, you repay the legal fees.

Ian Rapoport of NFL Media reports (i.e., the NFL announces) that Jones will be required to pay $2 million in reimbursement for legal fees, not as a fine for conduct detrimental to the league. (Rapoport’s report came after he initially confirmed/corroborated the notion that Jones will be fined.)
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Re: ***2018 Official NFL Off-Season Thread***

Postby NYBF » Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:00 am

uscbucsfan wrote:
NYBF wrote:

They are just making him repay the lawyer fees associated with that. It's part of the agreement between owners and is standard. If you sue the other owners and lose, you repay the legal fees.

Ian Rapoport of NFL Media reports (i.e., the NFL announces) that Jones will be required to pay $2 million in reimbursement for legal fees, not as a fine for conduct detrimental to the league. (Rapoport’s report came after he initially confirmed/corroborated the notion that Jones will be fined.)


That makes more sense.
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Re: ***2018 Official NFL Off-Season Thread***

Postby Bootz2004 » Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:02 am

NYBF wrote:
uscbucsfan wrote:They are just making him repay the lawyer fees associated with that. It's part of the agreement between owners and is standard. If you sue the other owners and lose, you repay the legal fees.



That makes more sense.


Yea it does. Especially considering it was already in the article to begin with, buddy.
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Re: ***2018 Official NFL Off-Season Thread***

Postby Teitan » Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:15 am

Bootz2004 wrote:Cleveland would be much MUCH better off drafting a QB than they would be throwing a ton of money to a QB who hasn't taken a meaningful snap since 2015 and was below average to begin with.


I agree.
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Re: ***2018 Official NFL Off-Season Thread***

Postby Deuce » Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:19 am

Bootz2004 wrote:Cleveland would be much MUCH better off drafting a QB than they would be throwing a ton of money to a QB who hasn't taken a meaningful snap since 2015 and was below average to begin with.


Somewhere along the line, Bridgewater got labeled as "pretty good". I'm glad you said this. I've listened to analyst after analyst discuss how the Vikings need to pick between 3 good QBs, some even saying they should keep Teddy over the rest.

He's mediocre at best and I'd be very surprised if he was their starter next year (Minnesota).
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Re: ***2018 Official NFL Off-Season Thread***

Postby Teitan » Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:50 am

Deuce wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:Cleveland would be much MUCH better off drafting a QB than they would be throwing a ton of money to a QB who hasn't taken a meaningful snap since 2015 and was below average to begin with.


Somewhere along the line, Bridgewater got labeled as "pretty good". I'm glad you said this. I've listened to analyst after analyst discuss how the Vikings need to pick between 3 good QBs, some even saying they should keep Teddy over the rest.

He's mediocre at best and I'd be very surprised if he was their starter next year (Minnesota).


People seem to have this odd fixation that he was lighting up the league. Because he’s a nice guy and sustained a bad injury, I guess. He wasn’t very good at all.
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Re: ***2018 Official NFL Off-Season Thread***

Postby Rocker » Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:10 am

He was downright awful at times; but played significantly better than previous once they tailored the play calling to mask his weak arm.
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Re: ***2018 Official NFL Off-Season Thread***

Postby Bootz2004 » Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:32 am

Bridgewater just isn't very productive at all. He doesn't give his receivers chances to do their job and make plays. He takes unnecessary sacks instead of throwing the ball away when nothing is there. He doesn't always see the field well overall. He plays very timidly.

I think what got him that "pretty good" label was the fact that he has a 17-11 record and a division title. But there are times where he just cannot move his team down the field.
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Re: ***2018 Official NFL Off-Season Thread***

Postby NYBF » Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:33 am

Bootz2004 wrote:
NYBF wrote:
That makes more sense.


Yea it does. Especially considering it was already in the article to begin with, buddy.


This:
uscbucsfan wrote:
Ian Rapoport of NFL Media reports (i.e., the NFL announces) that Jones will be required to pay $2 million in reimbursement for legal fees, not as a fine for conduct detrimental to the league. (Rapoport’s report came after he initially confirmed/corroborated the notion that Jones will be fined.)


was in the story posted?

I'll wait while you find it for me.
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Re: ***2018 Official NFL Off-Season Thread***

Postby DreadNaught » Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:35 am

Naismith wrote:
DreadNaught wrote:I would've traded a 2nd and 4th for Peters in a heartbeat, even if the Bucs never re-signed him and just kept him for the next 3 seasons and let him walk after the 2020 season it still would've been worth it. You'd still get a comp pick (likely a 3rd or 4th) in return to offset the initial investment (2nd and 4th).

Oh well.


It seems pretty likely that he'll be available in a few years for less than that. And it's hard to write that compensation pick in ink when his market for trade was so small despite his accomplishments and salary.


With the Rams letting Trumaine Johnson walk and the contract he'll receive in FA the Rams will likely be in line to receive a 3rd or 4th rd compensatory pick next year for him.

So the Rams sent a 2nd and 4th to the Chiefs for Peters, a 6th, and will get a comp pick (3rd or 4th) in 2019. Peters is also cheaper than Johnson the next 3 years. Great trade for the Rams.
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Re: ***2018 Official NFL Off-Season Thread***

Postby Noles1724 » Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:05 am

Bootz2004 wrote:Cleveland would be much MUCH better off drafting a QB than they would be throwing a ton of money to a QB who hasn't taken a meaningful snap since 2015 and was below average to begin with.


this is what I don't understand. I never understood why there were those that were so high on him.
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Re: ***2018 Official NFL Off-Season Thread***

Postby Super K » Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:26 am

Bootz2004 wrote:Cleveland would be much MUCH better off drafting a QB than they would be throwing a ton of money to a QB who hasn't taken a meaningful snap since 2015 and was below average to begin with.


Hell yeah they would!
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Re: ***2018 Official NFL Off-Season Thread***

Postby beardmcdoug » Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:09 am

G D Browns... just throw the bank at Cousins - he's a proven, prolific, NFL starter. Draft Barkley at #1, then take Chubb at #4 (Garrett across from Chubb :shock: ) and be done with it
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Re: ***2018 Official NFL Off-Season Thread***

Postby bahamian:bucfan » Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:24 am

beardmcdoug wrote:G D Browns... just throw the bank at Cousins - he's a proven, prolific, NFL starter. Draft Barkley at #1, then take Chubb at #4 (Garrett across from Chubb :shock: ) and be done with it


This almost makes TOO MUCH sense, hence I HIGHLY doubt the Browns will do this.
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Re: ***2018 Official NFL Off-Season Thread***

Postby Teitan » Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:34 am

bahamian:bucfan wrote:
beardmcdoug wrote:G D Browns... just throw the bank at Cousins - he's a proven, prolific, NFL starter. Draft Barkley at #1, then take Chubb at #4 (Garrett across from Chubb :shock: ) and be done with it


This almost makes TOO MUCH sense, hence I HIGHLY doubt the Browns will do this.


You guys seem to forget Cousins gets to pick where he wants to go. There are plenty more desirable landing spots for him that will pay well.
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Re: ***2018 Official NFL Off-Season Thread***

Postby Caradoc » Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:50 am

I doubt Cousins would ever voluntarily go to the black hole that is Cleveland.

Like us, it's a place that you go if they are the only ones paying you a ton. And Cousins is going to get paid wherever he goes.
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Re: ***2018 Official NFL Off-Season Thread***

Postby Four Verticals » Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:02 pm

NYBF wrote:
Four Verticals wrote:
Did you read the story?


by fining him millions of dollars for his efforts to to derail negotiations to renew Goodell’s contract and for his outspoken defense of a star player who was suspended,


again...did you read the story? I'll spell it out for you. The owners want their legal fees back. Goodell is paid by the owners to do their dirty work for them.

but he was urged to bring the penalties by several owners who believed that Jones had crossed an unspoken boundary by threatening his colleagues.
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Re: ***2018 Official NFL Off-Season Thread***

Postby beardmcdoug » Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:33 pm

Teitan wrote:
bahamian:bucfan wrote:
This almost makes TOO MUCH sense, hence I HIGHLY doubt the Browns will do this.


You guys seem to forget Cousins gets to pick where he wants to go. There are plenty more desirable landing spots for him that will pay well.


For an additional 2-3 mil a year, or 5-10 mil guaranteed, than what any other team would pay, I'm sure you could steer his hand to that pen and paper. The Browns are finally accumulating talent on both sides of the ball, have Gordon back, they can't afford to **** this one up with a relative risk at QB. Just plug in the guy that's shown he can do it at this level... regardless of the cost. Has Cousins ever had a target like Gordon? And then you give him a REAL RB to hand it to? Behind an actual O-line? Should be a blank check for this guy, at this moment in the franchise's history. They have a #1 overall DE, and could put a top 5 DE across from him too in this scenario. With Ben retiring soon, the Ravens on the outs, and the Bengals stuck in neutral with a mediocre QB and mediocre coach - the time is now for this team. They can't afford to **** this up
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Re: ***2018 Official NFL Off-Season Thread***

Postby Teitan » Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:52 pm

beardmcdoug wrote:
Teitan wrote:
You guys seem to forget Cousins gets to pick where he wants to go. There are plenty more desirable landing spots for him that will pay well.


For an additional 2-3 mil a year, or 5-10 mil guaranteed, than what any other team would pay, I'm sure you could steer his hand to that pen and paper. The Browns are finally accumulating talent on both sides of the ball, have Gordon back, they can't afford to **** this one up with a relative risk at QB. Just plug in the guy that's shown he can do it at this level... regardless of the cost. Has Cousins ever had a target like Gordon? And then you give him a REAL RB to hand it to? Behind an actual O-line? Should be a blank check for this guy, at this moment in the franchise's history. They have a #1 overall DE, and could put a top 5 DE across from him too in this scenario. With Ben retiring soon, the Ravens on the outs, and the Bengals stuck in neutral with a mediocre QB and mediocre coach - the time is now for this team. They can't afford to **** this up


Sure it makes sense for the Browns. But if I’m Cousins I could take, possibly, a few million less and go play for someone like the Vikings who were in the NFCC game, have weapons, and an elite defense already in place?
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Re: ***2018 Official NFL Off-Season Thread***

Postby DreadNaught » Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:53 pm

Cousins has made $44m in the past 2 years, so while money is always a factor, anyplace he signs will be for a significant amount. If more established teams/cultures like the Vikings or Broncos are interested in Cousins and they are competitive in their compensation I would certainly sign there before taking a deal w/ the Browns.

If I'm Cousins I'd take a little less over the next 3-4 years to join a Vikings team that has a talented young roster and stability in the front office to be a perennial SB contender for the next few years.

I get that $10m or so over the span of a few years is a ton of money. But when you're career earnings are going to eclipse $170m regardless of what decision you make it makes sense to factor in how good of a fit and how important winning actually is.
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Re: ***2018 Official NFL Off-Season Thread***

Postby Phantom Phenom » Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:26 pm

Cowboys EVP Stephen Jones said the team plans to tender restricted free agent DL David Irving.
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Re: ***2018 Official NFL Off-Season Thread***

Postby Phantom Phenom » Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:26 pm

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports free agent RB Chris Ivory is visiting the Browns on Tuesday.
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Re: ***2018 Official NFL Off-Season Thread***

Postby Phantom Phenom » Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:27 pm

Pro Football Talk reports Kirk Cousins is not expected to agree to terms during the two-day negotiating period.
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Re: ***2018 Official NFL Off-Season Thread***

Postby beardmcdoug » Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:28 pm

It's a good point - the Vikings are a great fit - didn't realize they were sitting as good as they are with their cap room right now (just looked it up - 57 mil - 7th most, with Diggs and Barr being really the only big names they need to resign soon, and Diggs isn't going to command #1 $)
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Re: ***2018 Official NFL Off-Season Thread***

Postby Phantom Phenom » Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:15 pm

The Cowboys are not planning to meet with Dez Bryant's representation at the Combine.

EVP Stephen Jones did say the sides would meet "sooner rather than later." Due $12.5 million after another down season, Bryant is a candidate for a pay cut, though he doesn't seem like the pay cut taking type.
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Re: ***2018 Official NFL Off-Season Thread***

Postby BayAreaBucFan25 » Tue Feb 27, 2018 4:17 pm

Lions Tag Ansah.. one DE off the Market.
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Re: ***2018 Official NFL Off-Season Thread***

Postby Nano » Tue Feb 27, 2018 4:21 pm

NFL competition committee is discussing the possibility of limiting defensive pass interference penalties to, at most, 15 yards.
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