DreadNaught wrote:MJW wrote:
THIS. IS. WINSTON'S. GAME. This is it.
Look for the primary. If humanely possible, use his arm talent to get the ball to him.
No way to get to the primary? Really? None at all? Maybe try anyway, like Cam Brate against the Panthers.
Wait, no, not this time. Look for the 2nd and 3rd reads? Nope. Never. Scramble drill.
Spin backwards, lean sideways, load up. Did someone playground-ball their way open? Use arm talent to get them the ball.
Nobody did? Okay, dump off. Wait! Too much heat! Sack.
I've All-22'd almost every snap of Winston's last couple of years. This is his entire game. He uses his brilliant arm to throw his 1st read open, unless it's a screen of some kind (ever wonder why we run so many WR screens? No progressions.) If there's no way to get the primary the ball, it becomes a playground game.
Cheb, I submit to your expertise. Are you seeing anything different here?
Yawn...
Winston was among the NFL's leading QBs outside the pocket last year, that kinda deflates your astute scouting report. He was hobbled with an ankle in Green Bay Sunday which I thought was obvious if you watch the game (or even listened to the announcers) so he wasn't as elusive as he has shown he can be.
Packers were also playing alot of Man Coverage which takes away your checkdowns. When a defense plays man coverage with either zero, single, or 2-deep safeties the offense has to win with their 3-4 primary routes or the QB needs to extend the play with is legs where a receiver can uncover or the QB can get a few yards with is legs.
Screen passes are effective vs man coverage b/c they get a blocker on the guy covering them. Teams play alot of man coverage vs the Bucs b/c Mike Evans is almost indefensible vs a Zone and you have to keep a defender mirroring him. If you watch all the A22 you claim to this would be common knowledge.
I will agree that Winston does lock onto Evans more than he should. That is a valid point. But to sensationalize that into it being 'his entire game' is extremely lazy and just makes you sound like a hater. So hate on, hater...
Doctor wrote:
The only real take away from this is D Smith.
Buc2 wrote:So now Bootz will pretend he watched every game on A22 and start calling anyone that didn't a casual.
Oh, and get ready for the A22 wars! This could be fun.
Caradoc wrote:Doctor wrote:
The only real take away from this is D Smith.
LMAO. You read all that, and decided the only takeaway was that the one guy with the least culpability was the biggest problem?
Smith is fine. Imperfect, but fine. We need improvement at guard and at playcaller.
DreadNaught wrote:Caradoc wrote:
LMAO. You read all that, and decided the only takeaway was that the one guy with the least culpability was the biggest problem?
Smith is fine. Imperfect, but fine. We need improvement at guard and at playcaller.
Dovavan Smith's last 2 games have been very solid and dare I say good. Unfortunately he's starting to get a Gerald McCoy type rap where he's just always the fall guy for some fans.
Smith can/needs to improve his consistency for sure and that is the only thing keeping from being a great LT for us. But the guy moves people in the run game and when he's not lazy with his feet he's a wall in pass pro. Smith is way down on the list regarding things that need to be fixed imo.
terrytate wrote:From what I've read, offensive line technique has gone in the crapper since the amount of practice time got cut in the CBA. It does make a certain amount of sense, it's got to be hard to correct the bad habits of a guy if you don't get much time in pads.
The epidemic of poor offensive line play is something we are hearing more and more about across the NFL. Some blame the practice rules imposed by the 2011 CBA, which limit both offseason practice time and the number of padded practices in which linemen can get in full-contact reps. Others point to the rise of spread offenses in college, where linemen often aren’t asked to finish blocks or even put their hand in the dirt in a three-point stance...
Geoff Schwartz, a seventh-round draft pick out of Oregon in 2008, played eight seasons in the NFL (including two with the Giants) and recalls needing a few months as a rookie to master his three-point stance, and then having to re-work it in the offseason with the help of veteran teammate Jordan Gross. But he was on the practice squad his first season, so he had time to adjust.
“In college, there is so much misdirection, and the tempo is so fast at times, you don’t even have to really block anybody because the defense is so tired,” Schwartz said. “What we’ve really lost in college is the idea of finishing. In the NFL, you have to finish to be an elite offensive lineman. In college, your goal is to get back to the line of scrimmage and snap the ball again. The mentality of not finishing in college hurts you when you get to the NFL.”
The Outsider wrote:I have whole binders full of LTs.
terrytate wrote:From what I've read, offensive line technique has gone in the crapper since the amount of practice time got cut in the CBA. It does make a certain amount of sense, it's got to be hard to correct the bad habits of a guy if you don't get much time in pads.
PrimeMinister wrote:terrytate wrote:From what I've read, offensive line technique has gone in the crapper since the amount of practice time got cut in the CBA. It does make a certain amount of sense, it's got to be hard to correct the bad habits of a guy if you don't get much time in pads.
Also the NCAA isn’t producing NFL caliber offensive linemen anymore.The epidemic of poor offensive line play is something we are hearing more and more about across the NFL. Some blame the practice rules imposed by the 2011 CBA, which limit both offseason practice time and the number of padded practices in which linemen can get in full-contact reps. Others point to the rise of spread offenses in college, where linemen often aren’t asked to finish blocks or even put their hand in the dirt in a three-point stance...
Geoff Schwartz, a seventh-round draft pick out of Oregon in 2008, played eight seasons in the NFL (including two with the Giants) and recalls needing a few months as a rookie to master his three-point stance, and then having to re-work it in the offseason with the help of veteran teammate Jordan Gross. But he was on the practice squad his first season, so he had time to adjust.
“In college, there is so much misdirection, and the tempo is so fast at times, you don’t even have to really block anybody because the defense is so tired,” Schwartz said. “What we’ve really lost in college is the idea of finishing. In the NFL, you have to finish to be an elite offensive lineman. In college, your goal is to get back to the line of scrimmage and snap the ball again. The mentality of not finishing in college hurts you when you get to the NFL.”
https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/09/12/troub ... touchdowns
PrimeMinister wrote:terrytate wrote:From what I've read, offensive line technique has gone in the crapper since the amount of practice time got cut in the CBA. It does make a certain amount of sense, it's got to be hard to correct the bad habits of a guy if you don't get much time in pads.
Also the NCAA isn’t producing NFL caliber offensive linemen anymore.The epidemic of poor offensive line play is something we are hearing more and more about across the NFL. Some blame the practice rules imposed by the 2011 CBA, which limit both offseason practice time and the number of padded practices in which linemen can get in full-contact reps. Others point to the rise of spread offenses in college, where linemen often aren’t asked to finish blocks or even put their hand in the dirt in a three-point stance...
Geoff Schwartz, a seventh-round draft pick out of Oregon in 2008, played eight seasons in the NFL (including two with the Giants) and recalls needing a few months as a rookie to master his three-point stance, and then having to re-work it in the offseason with the help of veteran teammate Jordan Gross. But he was on the practice squad his first season, so he had time to adjust.
“In college, there is so much misdirection, and the tempo is so fast at times, you don’t even have to really block anybody because the defense is so tired,” Schwartz said. “What we’ve really lost in college is the idea of finishing. In the NFL, you have to finish to be an elite offensive lineman. In college, your goal is to get back to the line of scrimmage and snap the ball again. The mentality of not finishing in college hurts you when you get to the NFL.”
https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/09/12/troub ... touchdowns
BCULAW wrote:PrimeMinister wrote:
Also the NCAA isn’t producing NFL caliber offensive linemen anymore.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/09/12/troub ... touchdowns
All of this makes me wonder if an offense centered around a long-developing, vertical passing game and 5-7 step drops is a viable objective anymore. And, even if it is, why the team has not invested more heavily in the o-line to make sure the system can be successful.
BCULAW wrote:PrimeMinister wrote:
Also the NCAA isn’t producing NFL caliber offensive linemen anymore.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/09/12/troub ... touchdowns
All of this makes me wonder if an offense centered around a long-developing, vertical passing game and 5-7 step drops is a viable objective anymore. And, even if it is, why the team has not invested more heavily in the o-line to make sure the system can be successful.
mdb1958 wrote:Serve up another for the Lions game Cheb. Please factor in the youth of some of these guys and the fact that they arent represented with any high draft picked seasoned vets to learn from. Also make a note that the pressure our D brings in practice can bring them a false sense of accomplishment.
These guys are taking the tough road!
mdb1958 wrote:Serve up another for the Lions game Cheb. Please factor in the youth of some of these guys and the fact that they arent represented with any high draft picked seasoned vets to learn from. Also make a note that the pressure our D brings in practice can bring them a false sense of accomplishment.
These guys are taking the tough road!
mdb1958 wrote:Serve up another for the Lions game Cheb. Please factor in the youth of some of these guys and the fact that they arent represented with any high draft picked seasoned vets to learn from. Also make a note that the pressure our D brings in practice can bring them a false sense of accomplishment.
These guys are taking the tough road!
mdb1958 wrote:Cheb, you might wanna get it cleared with Noles first!
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