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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby DanTurksGhost » Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:40 pm

Ken Carson wrote:Andy Reid is a great football coach. He runs an organization, develops players and systems, and consistently builds a team that is more than the sum of its parts.

Yes, he has lost big games. But very rarely has he lost with the better team.


This is an argument that I've heard from people inside league circles. That Reid has lost big games because he's managed to coach inferior teams into those big games. It is an interesting discussion to have. Coach Dungy struggled with our team in the playoffs, Jon Gruden came in and won a SB with that team. Was Gruden the better coach, or was it just a matter of the perfect circumstances?
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:56 pm

Yes, he has lost big games. But very rarely has he lost with the better team.

Like against the Bucs at home last year?

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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby PrimeMinister » Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:45 pm

Bootz2004 wrote:
deltbucs wrote:McDermott should be gone for that bullshit he pulled with Tyrod.


Moves like that can really lose a locker room and even a fanbase. It highlights that you as a coach and an organization have ulterior motives.


I have yet to hear one reason for that move that makes any sense. When the Bills miss the playoffs the narrative will be “We Would have made the playoffs, but the coach only wanted to win with his guy”. That’s a fan base killer. When fans clearly seee the motive is no longer winning, but “winning my way” they’ll jump ship and it’s hard to get them back as long as that coach is in the building.
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby Super K » Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:38 pm

PrimeMinister wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:
Moves like that can really lose a locker room and even a fanbase. It highlights that you as a coach and an organization have ulterior motives.


I have yet to hear one reason for that move that makes any sense. When the Bills miss the playoffs the narrative will be “We Would have made the playoffs, but the coach only wanted to win with his guy”. That’s a fan base killer. When fans clearly seee the motive is no longer winning, but “winning my way” they’ll jump ship and it’s hard to get them back as long as that coach is in the building.


Couldn't agree more..
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby MJW » Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:19 am

Bootz2004 wrote:Reid isn't going anywhere.


This.

And if the Chiefs are dumb enough to fire him, I'd want him here in a heartbeat.
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby Bootz2004 » Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:09 am

PrimeMinister wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:
Moves like that can really lose a locker room and even a fanbase. It highlights that you as a coach and an organization have ulterior motives.


I have yet to hear one reason for that move that makes any sense. When the Bills miss the playoffs the narrative will be “We Would have made the playoffs, but the coach only wanted to win with his guy”. That’s a fan base killer. When fans clearly seee the motive is no longer winning, but “winning my way” they’ll jump ship and it’s hard to get them back as long as that coach is in the building.


Their entire off-season/season indicates they want to win the coaches way or someone else's way. I don't know if McDermott is the reason or their new GM, who just so happen to come from the Carolina Panthers as well. But for whatever reason I never got the sense that they believed they could win this season. And when they did it turned to I don't think they WANT to win this season...Those 2 won't be long for that job unless ownership is the one truly pulling these strings.
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby Doctor » Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:00 am

MJW wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:Reid isn't going anywhere.


This.

And if the Chiefs are dumb enough to fire him, I'd want him here in a heartbeat.

It's not unheard of for a team to fire a good coach that they feel won't get them over the hump....

McDermont is looking like McDaniels over there in Buffalo... smh....
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby Crocaneers » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:32 am

Rex Ryan is quoted as saying McDermott could be fired in the next 24 hours.

Odd it comes before games starting, like he may know more
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby StillCSG » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:39 am

NFL Network is saying McAdoo out in NY tomorrow morning...

Why not fire him now if that's the case?
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby Deja Entendu » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:26 am

StillCSG wrote:NFL Network is saying McAdoo out in NY tomorrow morning...

Why not fire him now if that's the case?


They should have fired him before the game, so the interim could start Eli.
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby Crocaneers » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:38 am

StillCSG wrote:NFL Network is saying McAdoo out in NY tomorrow morning...

Why not fire him now if that's the case?


Rex Ryan?
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby Super K » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:18 pm

Crocaneers wrote:
StillCSG wrote:NFL Network is saying McAdoo out in NY tomorrow morning...

Why not fire him now if that's the case?


Rex Ryan?


He's knows the city well...
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby Super K » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:19 pm

Deja Entendu wrote:
StillCSG wrote:NFL Network is saying McAdoo out in NY tomorrow morning...

Why not fire him now if that's the case?


They should have fired him before the game, so the interim could start Eli.


No doubt...this is like taking the matches off your kid after he sets the house on fire..

OR the owners are fine with it and are just letting him be the fall guy..
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby theBKwhopper » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:49 pm

Was McAdoo trying to get fired??
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby Crocaneers » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:19 pm

KC losses are mounting.. could be trouble for Reid

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Per Mort (I never saw this)

Chiefs coach Andy Reid is benching....himself. He has has planned to hand over play calling to OC Matt Nagy for today's game vs. Jets although Reid will continue to have oversight, per team sources.
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby BayAreaBucFan25 » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:06 pm

If we lose out which is a strong possibility does Dirk get the ax?
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby NavyBuc » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:20 pm

This is how I see it:

Office cleaned out:
Ben Macadoo

One foot already out the door:
Hue Jackson
John Fox

Job in serious jeopardy:
Chuck Pagano
Bruce Arians
Vance Joseph
Dirk Koetter
Marvin Lewis

Seat is warm, but not hot:
Jay Gruden
Adam Gase
Jason Garrett
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby Agent Orange » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:28 pm

BayAreaBucFan25 wrote:If we lose out which is a strong possibility does Dirk get the ax?



This will be the 5th time in the last 10 years that we will finish with 4 or less wins.

The expectations going into this season were very high. Somebody if not everybody is getting fired.
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby PlinkoBuccaneer » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:33 pm

Ben McAdoo, Bruce Arians, Todd Bowles, Jim Caldwell, John Fox, Jay Gruden, Hue Jackson, Vance Joseph, Dirk Koetter, Marvin Lewis, Chuck Pagano, Yada, Yada, Yada. All by New Years Day 2018. ;)
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby Jason Bourne » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:28 pm

PlinkoBuccaneer wrote:Ben McAdoo, Bruce Arians, Todd Bowles, Jim Caldwell, John Fox, Jay Gruden, Hue Jackson, Vance Joseph, Dirk Koetter, Chuck Pagano, Yada, Yada, Yada. All by New Years Day 2018. ;)


I thought you were a robot or something ??
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby KiffininCanton » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:41 pm

Complicating matters for Dirk is Winston's regression.

He got the job on the basis of developing Winston.
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby Buc2 » Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:52 am

Adam Schefter and Chris Mortensen are reporting that Ben McAdoo’s time as the Giants head coach is coming to an end, and he could be fired in the 24 hours after Sunday’s game against the Raiders.
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby Teitan » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:44 am

McAdoo fired
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby NYBF » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:46 am

Teitan wrote:McAdoo fired


GM Jerry Reese, too.
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby BucaRican » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:47 am

Teitan wrote:McAdoo fired


Mcapoo out! Writing was on the wall. You got to be complete trash to get fired by the Giants half way through the season. Now only if the Bucs can follow suit.
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby Crocaneers » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:02 pm

BucaRican wrote:
Teitan wrote:McAdoo fired


Mcapoo out! Writing was on the wall. You got to be complete trash to get fired by the Giants half way through the season. Now only if the Bucs can follow suit.


The NFL has a 16 game season, not 24, but I get your point.

OP is updated
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby BucaRican » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:14 pm

Crocaneers wrote:
BucaRican wrote:
Mcapoo out! Writing was on the wall. You got to be complete trash to get fired by the Giants half way through the season. Now only if the Bucs can follow suit.


The NFL has a 16 game season, not 24, but I get your point.

OP is updated


Game here game there.... miss one or 2 whats the difference. Giants have never fired a coach in season. But the Eli benching put super fuel to and already lit flame. I wonder if management knew prior to the announcement that Eli was going to be benched. I bet McApoo caught them all by surprise.
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby NYBF » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:33 pm

BucaRican wrote:Giants have never fired a coach in season.


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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby Jason Bourne » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:43 pm

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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby Naismith » Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:35 pm

I think the coaches on their way out are:

Marvin Lewis, Hue Jackson, Chuck Pagano, John Fox and Dirk Koetter. There's always a surprise ousting and I think that will be Todd Bowles.
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