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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby Hit55 » Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:43 am

Buc2 wrote:A new fan chant for that Monday night game...

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Don't forget to wait 3 seconds...
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby Super K » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:29 am

Hit55 wrote:
Buc2 wrote:A new fan chant for that Monday night game...

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Don't forget to wait 3 seconds...


Ha!
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby Bootz2004 » Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:10 pm

Take Hue Jackson's name off the list. GM Sasha Brown was fired but Cleveland announced that Jackson will return for 2018.
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby theBKwhopper » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:29 pm

I'm not a fan of Koetter, but I'm not sure firing him is the best way to go. You know, coaches have down years, but you gotta give them time. There's just not enough patience in this league. I think he needs to find a play caller and focus on the trenches. That's how we'll progress.
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby PrimeMinister » Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:24 pm

If Gruden really wants to come back Koetter is done.
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby MJW » Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:23 am

theBKwhopper wrote:I'm not a fan of Koetter, but I'm not sure firing him is the best way to go. You know, coaches have down years, but you gotta give them time. There's just not enough patience in this league. I think he needs to find a play caller and focus on the trenches. That's how we'll progress.


It's entirely possible that the Glazers let him keep the job, with provisos like, "Someone else calls the plays." It's also not impossible he has to make staff changes to stay.
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby Crocaneers » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:41 am

Bootz2004 wrote:Take Hue Jackson's name off the list. GM Sasha Brown was fired but Cleveland announced that Jackson will return for 2018.


The new GM will fire Jackson
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby Doctor » Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:20 am

MJW wrote:
theBKwhopper wrote:I'm not a fan of Koetter, but I'm not sure firing him is the best way to go. You know, coaches have down years, but you gotta give them time. There's just not enough patience in this league. I think he needs to find a play caller and focus on the trenches. That's how we'll progress.


It's entirely possible that the Glazers let him keep the job, with provisos like, "Someone else calls the plays." It's also not impossible he has to make staff changes to stay.

Word by the water cooler was that they did that with Lovie and his loyalty to Leslie cost him his job. It's a good year to buff up your staff. Lots of good coaches should be out there. Again- McAdoo for QB coach. Chudz for anything at all.


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Bootz2004 wrote:Take Hue Jackson's name off the list. GM Sasha Brown was fired but Cleveland announced that Jackson will return for 2018.


The new GM will fire Jackson

Exactly. Be foolish to think that Hue is out of the woods just like that. All this is is an evaluation period for Hue, which could save him job.
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby Deuce » Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:23 am

Hit55 wrote:
Buc2 wrote:A new fan chant for that Monday night game...

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Don't forget to wait 3 seconds...


Has anyone else tried saying the Kwon (wait three seconds) now! chant aloud while counting the three seconds?

Three seconds is an eternity in chanting terms...I think one second would cover it. Not that that's the only issue with it but adds to the hilarity imo
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby theBKwhopper » Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:44 pm

MJW wrote:
theBKwhopper wrote:I'm not a fan of Koetter, but I'm not sure firing him is the best way to go. You know, coaches have down years, but you gotta give them time. There's just not enough patience in this league. I think he needs to find a play caller and focus on the trenches. That's how we'll progress.


It's entirely possible that the Glazers let him keep the job, with provisos like, "Someone else calls the plays." It's also not impossible he has to make staff changes to stay.

I mean, when you consider Ron Rivera has had more losing seasons than winning, it's not that much of a stretch to think Koetter keeps his job. But, the Glazer's have a hard time sticking with a vision if it's not looking exactly how they want it. They have no problem throwing in the towel after two rounds.
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby Doctor » Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:06 pm

theBKwhopper wrote:
MJW wrote:
It's entirely possible that the Glazers let him keep the job, with provisos like, "Someone else calls the plays." It's also not impossible he has to make staff changes to stay.

I mean, when you consider Ron Rivera has had more losing seasons than winning, it's not that much of a stretch to think Koetter keeps his job. But, the Glazer's have a hard time sticking with a vision if it's not looking exactly how they want it. They have no problem throwing in the towel after two rounds.

DK SHOULD keep his job. This ****ing carousel has gotten beyond ridiculous.

OMG! A LOSING SEASON! TIME FOR A NEW HEAD COACH!
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby Caradoc » Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:07 am

It’s not just the losing, it’s the manner in which it is occurring.
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby Rocker » Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:10 am

Caradoc wrote:It’s not just the losing, it’s the manner in which it is occurring.
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby Jason Bourne » Sat Dec 09, 2017 11:05 am

Rocker wrote:
Caradoc wrote:It’s not just the losing, it’s the manner in which it is occurring.
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby Cheb » Sat Dec 09, 2017 11:10 am

Caradoc wrote:It’s not just the losing, it’s the manner in which it is occurring.
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby theBKwhopper » Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:41 pm

Caradoc wrote:It’s not just the losing, it’s the manner in which it is occurring.

Yeah, there are a lot of factors to consider. I'm just saying that it's not black and white. This franchise has a vision problem. They don't let anything develop. Lucky for Gruden that he won the Super Bowl his first year, or else they would have fired him after his first two losing seasons.
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby PetePierson » Sun Dec 10, 2017 4:31 pm

Who goes first; DK or Marv Lewis?

Guess it doesn't matter since end result will be the same for both.
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby Teitan » Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:35 am

Marvin Lewis done after this season. Cincinnati making almost complete coaching overhaul per Schefter.
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:42 am

It's time.

He had sustained success with that team but they've done all they can do with Lewis.
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby Buc2 » Sun Dec 17, 2017 2:29 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:It's time.

He had sustained success with that team but they've done all they can do with Lewis about 7 years ago.
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby Doctor » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:08 am

Caradoc wrote:It’s not just the losing, it’s the manner in which it is occurring.

Not enough quality losses for you?

5 of our 9 losses by six points or less. That's a single play. One player making a play they should have during the game (and god have we had a lot of players miss their opportunities).
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby DanTurksGhost » Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:36 pm

Doctor wrote:5 of our 9 losses by six points or less. That's a single play.


IMO that's a pretty myopic POV, considering that this team has clearly under-performed, is undisciplined, and has put up a good amount of their offensive production against soft defenses because the other team is leading deep into the fourth quarter. I mean, just look at the net passing yardage by quarter.

I would have to take issue with anyone bold enough to say that this team has looked good this season. But by all means, let's keep doing the same thing we're doing now.

I'm a huge proponent of continuity, but only if the team is headed in the right direction. Clearly this team is not. I was skeptical of Coach Koetter before the season began, and my skepticism has been bolstered by the team's on-field performance, and my skepticism as to whether he has what it takes to turn this thing around is growing as well. Of course he can hang his hat on the fact that both of the starting lines on this team are pretty crummy overall, so he can certainly lay some blame at the feet of not having sufficient talent to compete.
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby Doctor » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:23 pm

DanTurksGhost wrote:
Doctor wrote:5 of our 9 losses by six points or less. That's a single play.


IMO that's a pretty myopic POV, considering that this team has clearly under-performed, is undisciplined, and has put up a good amount of their offensive production against soft defenses because the other team is leading deep into the fourth quarter. I mean, just look at the net passing yardage by quarter.

I would have to take issue with anyone bold enough to say that this team has looked good this season. But by all means, let's keep doing the same thing we're doing now.

I'm a huge proponent of continuity, but only if the team is headed in the right direction. Clearly this team is not. I was skeptical of Coach Koetter before the season began, and my skepticism has been bolstered by the team's on-field performance, and my skepticism as to whether he has what it takes to turn this thing around is growing as well. Of course he can hang his hat on the fact that both of the starting lines on this team are pretty crummy overall, so he can certainly lay some blame at the feet of not having sufficient talent to compete.

See, that's the greatest lie fans tell themselves. No one is okay with losing as long as we are going in the right direction- because if we're losing we're clearly doing things wrong. If we're losing we're going int the wrong directions, so fans want a change.

There's a lot of good and a lot to like about this team. We got burned by counting on some contributors this year that never showed up. Spence was supposed to help the pass rush- IR. Martin was supposed to be in the best shape of his life- bust. Despite a lot of crying our OL has looked very good at many points during the season, clearly needing chemistry above everything else. But with the slew of injuries, people act like this group is going to be our 2018 Week 1 Starters. Justin Evans is developing very nicely and I can't wait to see him win the job at camp next year. Despite his horrible game against the Falcons, I still really like how our project Ryan Smith is coming along. OJ Howard is coming along very well, I know not the impossible rookie numbers people here were expecting, but he's getting better and more comfortable and should be a heck of a weapon for us next year. Don't forget about Godwin too. A lot of our younger players are developing and ready to step up into bigger roles for the coaches who have groomed them and the systems they've learned. Watch these guys. Tell me they aren't going to help us next year.

I know everyone is used to being so shitty that we're accustomed to rookies coming in and have Mike Williams and Doug Martin and Kwon Alexander seasons right away. And if they don't, well then they are garbage and we need to upgrade. We're not used to grooming players, developing them. But that *IS* what is happening here. You want to see the "right direction" look at these guys.
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby Teitan » Sat Dec 30, 2017 9:35 pm

John Fox expected to be fired by Bears
Jim Caldwell expected to be fired by Lions
Bill O’Brien or GM Rick Smith expected to be fired by Texans.

Raiders pursuing Gruden. So Del Rio will be on the market.
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby Phantom Phenom » Sat Dec 30, 2017 9:39 pm

Raiders' pursuit of Jon Gruden could include ownership stake
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby Nano » Sat Dec 30, 2017 9:39 pm

And ownership steak
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby Phantom Phenom » Sat Dec 30, 2017 9:43 pm

Nano wrote:And ownership steak




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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby Crocaneers » Sat Dec 30, 2017 9:57 pm

Black Monday should be pretty grim

I'm moving Dirk to safe, I think Del Rio is also good and keeping him there . . Too many Grumors... I still think NYC is next for him
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby MJW » Sat Dec 30, 2017 10:16 pm

Doctor wrote:
Caradoc wrote:It’s not just the losing, it’s the manner in which it is occurring.

Not enough quality losses for you?

5 of our 9 losses by six points or less. That's a single play. One player making a play they should have during the game (and god have we had a lot of players miss their opportunities).


Or the head coach making one fewer stupid decision with the clock. That also. We had plenty of that this year.
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Re: 2017 NFL Head Coach Hot Seat

Postby Phantom Phenom » Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:46 am

Texans likely to keep Bill O'Brien as head coach, sources say
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