The Kicker Battle: Folk v Aguayo

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Re: The Kicker Battle: Folk v Aguayo

Postby NYBF » Wed May 24, 2017 8:43 am

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Re: The Kicker Battle: Folk v Aguayo

Postby Naismith » Wed May 24, 2017 12:02 pm

MJW wrote:As a DRAFT PICK, he was worse. That's not HIS fault, it's Licht's, because drafting a kicker in the 2nd round is the act of an idiot. Dexter Jackson COULD have been Tyreek Hill for all we knew at the time.


Yeah, missing on a real player is better than hitting on a kicker.
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Re: The Kicker Battle: Folk v Aguayo

Postby Bootz2004 » Wed May 24, 2017 12:10 pm

Naismith wrote:
MJW wrote:As a DRAFT PICK, he was worse. That's not HIS fault, it's Licht's, because drafting a kicker in the 2nd round is the act of an idiot. Dexter Jackson COULD have been Tyreek Hill for all we knew at the time.


Yeah, missing on a real player is better than hitting on a kicker.


Yes. Moral victories and principle are what really matter.......
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Re: The Kicker Battle: Folk v Aguayo

Postby terrytate » Wed May 24, 2017 12:42 pm

mightyleemoon wrote:Meh. If he was what they thought he was...a kicked that never misses...then he would have been a fine pick. But, he has to be that thing they think he is: Mr Perfect who maybe misses the occasional 65 yarder.



An NFL kicker is supposed to be damned near automatic inside of 45. It's when your kicker starts reliably hitting at 45-50+ that he becomes elite. Remember back when we had Grammatica at his best? He would line for a 53 yarder and I'd be surprised if he missed.

Aguayo never showed a big leg at FSU. He was never going to be that guy. I didn't mind drafting a kicker, it was the double whammy of (1) using a second on (2) a guy with an average at best leg that made it a fools errand.
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Re: The Kicker Battle: Folk v Aguayo

Postby Selmon Rules » Wed May 24, 2017 2:23 pm

Bootz2004 wrote:
Naismith wrote:
Yeah, missing on a real player is better than hitting on a kicker.


Yes. Moral victories and principle are what really matter.......

Is that like a "quality loss"??

FWIW, I still hope he makes it
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Re: The Kicker Battle: Folk v Aguayo

Postby ComingThisFall » Wed May 24, 2017 3:42 pm

Don't forget the mortar kicks. Lmao
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Re: The Kicker Battle: Folk v Aguayo

Postby Bootz2004 » Wed May 24, 2017 6:13 pm

So how was the kicking competition day 2?
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Re: The Kicker Battle: Folk v Aguayo

Postby Nano » Wed May 24, 2017 6:22 pm

Day 2 was even more intense then day 1. They moved the goalposts closer then taped a bunch of howler monkeys to it. Goal was to hit the bar without hitting a monkey. Aguayo killed 4 monkeys, Folk was perfect.

Folk wins again
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Re: The Kicker Battle: Folk v Aguayo

Postby Teitan » Wed May 24, 2017 6:45 pm

Nano wrote:Day 2 was even more intense then day 1. They moved the goalposts closer then taped a bunch of howler monkeys to it. Goal was to hit the bar without hitting a monkey. Aguayo killed 4 monkeys, Folk was perfect.

Folk wins again



Those monkeys are a nuisance. They keep getting loose and tearing up local neighborhood lawns. Aguayo took one for the team!
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Re: The Kicker Battle: Folk v Aguayo

Postby Swashy » Wed May 24, 2017 6:56 pm

Nano wrote:Day 2 was even more intense then day 1. They moved the goalposts closer then taped a bunch of howler monkeys to it. Goal was to hit the bar without hitting a monkey. Aguayo killed 4 monkeys, Folk was perfect.

Folk wins again


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Re: The Kicker Battle: Folk v Aguayo

Postby MJW » Wed May 24, 2017 8:03 pm

mightyleemoon wrote:Meh. If he was what they thought he was...a kicked that never misses...then he would have been a fine pick. But, he has to be that thing they think he is: Mr Perfect who maybe misses the occasional 65 yarder.


If your standard for a pick to be good is that he has to be great to the point of being legendary, it's a bad pick. That's my point.
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Re: The Kicker Battle: Folk v Aguayo

Postby MJW » Wed May 24, 2017 8:04 pm

Naismith wrote:
MJW wrote:As a DRAFT PICK, he was worse. That's not HIS fault, it's Licht's, because drafting a kicker in the 2nd round is the act of an idiot. Dexter Jackson COULD have been Tyreek Hill for all we knew at the time.


Yeah, missing on a real player is better than hitting on a kicker.


And responding to a post you don't understand is better than keeping quiet. That too. Just ask Bootz.
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Re: The Kicker Battle: Folk v Aguayo

Postby MJW » Wed May 24, 2017 8:06 pm

Bootz2004 wrote:
Naismith wrote:
Yeah, missing on a real player is better than hitting on a kicker.


Yes. Moral victories and principle are what really matter.......


It's got nothing to do with Moral victories. It has to do with the potential return on your investment versus the opportunity cost. Do you understand or do I need to keep explaining slower?
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Re: The Kicker Battle: Folk v Aguayo

Postby Nano » Wed May 24, 2017 8:33 pm

r/nfl keeps trying to claim it's mental. Apparently we fucked the kid up so bad by selecting him in the 2nd
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Re: The Kicker Battle: Folk v Aguayo

Postby DanTurksGhost » Wed May 24, 2017 8:37 pm

Koetter is trying to quell concerns:

Koetter: Don't read too much into one day of Aguayo misses
http://www.tampabay.com/sports/koetter- ... es/2325090

Next up: the "coach's vote of confidence".
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Re: The Kicker Battle: Folk v Aguayo

Postby Bootz2004 » Wed May 24, 2017 8:54 pm

MJW wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:
Yes. Moral victories and principle are what really matter.......


It's got nothing to do with Moral victories. It has to do with the potential return on your investment versus the opportunity cost. Do you understand or do I need to keep explaining slower?


You'd have to be part of the team and the decision making to have a say in whether potential return of investment or opportunity cost mattered more to them with this selection. Not everyone shares your opinion that you never draft a kicker. Nor does everyone believe they can never measure up to their draft status if drafted high.
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Re: The Kicker Battle: Folk v Aguayo

Postby DanTurksGhost » Wed May 24, 2017 8:57 pm

Bootz2004 wrote:You'd have to be part of the team and the decision making to have a say in whether potential return of investment or opportunity cost mattered more to them with this selection. Not everyone shares your opinion that you never draft a kicker. Nor does everyone believe they can never measure up to their draft status if drafted high.


That's Bootzian BS. The opportunity cost of this selection can be fairly objectively determined.
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Re: The Kicker Battle: Folk v Aguayo

Postby Bootz2004 » Wed May 24, 2017 8:59 pm

DanTurksGhost wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:You'd have to be part of the team and the decision making to have a say in whether potential return of investment or opportunity cost mattered more to them with this selection. Not everyone shares your opinion that you never draft a kicker. Nor does everyone believe they can never measure up to their draft status if drafted high.


That's Bootzian BS. The opportunity cost of this selection can be fairly objectively determined.


By who? Fans?
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Re: The Kicker Battle: Folk v Aguayo

Postby Naismith » Wed May 24, 2017 9:18 pm

MJW wrote:
Naismith wrote:
Yeah, missing on a real player is better than hitting on a kicker.


And responding to a post you don't understand is better than keeping quiet. That too. Just ask Bootz.


I did understand it. I was agreeing with you. Taking a chance on a player at other positions and missing is a better use of a draft pick than hitting on a kicker with that pick.
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Re: The Kicker Battle: Folk v Aguayo

Postby Bootz2004 » Wed May 24, 2017 9:21 pm

Naismith wrote:
MJW wrote:
And responding to a post you don't understand is better than keeping quiet. That too. Just ask Bootz.


I did understand it. I was agreeing with you. Taking a chance on a player at other positions and missing is a better use of a draft pick than hitting on a kicker with that pick.


Jason Licht and any other team/GM that has drafted a kicker disagrees with your premise.
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Re: The Kicker Battle: Folk v Aguayo

Postby Nano » Wed May 24, 2017 9:25 pm

I'm sure all the employed GMs that have spent a 2nd round pick on a kicker do.
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Re: The Kicker Battle: Folk v Aguayo

Postby Agent Orange » Wed May 24, 2017 10:46 pm

Everyone on NFL Network and ESPN were practically laughing when we made the trade/pick you just knew it would end up this way. I don't even want to think about all the future pro blwlers we could have drafted.
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Re: The Kicker Battle: Folk v Aguayo

Postby DanTurksGhost » Wed May 24, 2017 10:51 pm

Agent Orange wrote:Everyone on NFL Network and ESPN were practically laughing when we made the trade/pick you just knew it would end up this way. I don't even want to think about all the future pro blwlers we could have drafted.


I hate to think of the potential starter we could have drafted. Hell, I hate to think of the potential quality backup we could have drafted.
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Re: The Kicker Battle: Folk v Aguayo

Postby Doctor » Wed May 24, 2017 10:55 pm

Seriously? Two pages into the thread and I am the only one that is bothered by the fact that they took FOUR kicks?

Like, what the hell else do they have to do all practice? Why the hell did they only take four kicks? Did someone else need to goal posts? Were all the holders busy? Are they resting their legs for the big game on Sunday??
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Re: The Kicker Battle: Folk v Aguayo

Postby Bootz2004 » Wed May 24, 2017 11:03 pm

Nano wrote:I'm sure all the employed GMs that have spent a 2nd round pick on a kicker do.


Link?
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Re: The Kicker Battle: Folk v Aguayo

Postby Bucballa85 » Wed May 24, 2017 11:09 pm

Agent Orange wrote:Everyone on NFL Network and ESPN were practically laughing when we made the trade/pick you just knew it would end up this way. I don't even want to think about all the future pro blwlers we could have drafted.


I was laughing too. I told my brother only the Bucs would make a pick like that.
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Re: The Kicker Battle: Folk v Aguayo

Postby MJW » Thu May 25, 2017 1:56 am

Naismith wrote:
MJW wrote:
And responding to a post you don't understand is better than keeping quiet. That too. Just ask Bootz.


I did understand it. I was agreeing with you. Taking a chance on a player at other positions and missing is a better use of a draft pick than hitting on a kicker with that pick.


I took it as sarcasm and I apologize. Bootz irritates to patience out of me.
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Re: The Kicker Battle: Folk v Aguayo

Postby MJW » Thu May 25, 2017 1:57 am

Bootz2004 wrote:
Nano wrote:I'm sure all the employed GMs that have spent a 2nd round pick on a kicker do.


Link?



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Re: The Kicker Battle: Folk v Aguayo

Postby MJW » Thu May 25, 2017 2:01 am

DanTurksGhost wrote:
Agent Orange wrote:Everyone on NFL Network and ESPN were practically laughing when we made the trade/pick you just knew it would end up this way. I don't even want to think about all the future pro blwlers we could have drafted.


I hate to think of the potential starter we could have drafted. Hell, I hate to think of the potential quality backup we could have drafted.


The next ten picks included 4 guys who would be playing major snaps in our secondary this year, our new starting center, a perfect backup to McCoy, and probably the 3rd or 4th best rookie edge rusher in the league last year. But otherwise things are great.
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Re: The Kicker Battle: Folk v Aguayo

Postby Teitan » Thu May 25, 2017 12:23 pm

#Bucs PKs Roberto Aquayo and Nick Folk each made all 5 FG attempts today in teams period.


Per Stroud.
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