Teitan wrote:If Winston is injured we are done anyway. RG3 would not fix that.
MJW wrote:Teitan wrote:If Winston is injured we are done anyway. RG3 would not fix that.
This reminds me of a line I heard from old Colts OC Tom Moore. Peter King (I think) asked him why the #2 QB behind Peyton Manning didn't get more reps in practice. Moore replied, "If Peyton goes down, we're f***ed either way, and we don't have time to practice f***ed."
terrytate wrote:MJW wrote:
This reminds me of a line I heard from old Colts OC Tom Moore. Peter King (I think) asked him why the #2 QB behind Peyton Manning didn't get more reps in practice. Moore replied, "If Peyton goes down, we're f***ed either way, and we don't have time to practice f***ed."
I disagree, a little. If Winston went down for the year, then it's time to start looking at our free agents and the draft. If Winston goes down for 2 to 4 games, Having a backup that can keep us in those games is critical. After all, we missed the playoffs by one game this year. Who is to say that one game wouldn't cost us a home playoff game in the future, or even a bye one day.
That's why I favor the old hand as a backup. A guy who knows what's what and can step in and perform with minimal practice reps.
MJW wrote:terrytate wrote:
I disagree, a little. If Winston went down for the year, then it's time to start looking at our free agents and the draft. If Winston goes down for 2 to 4 games, Having a backup that can keep us in those games is critical. After all, we missed the playoffs by one game this year. Who is to say that one game wouldn't cost us a home playoff game in the future, or even a bye one day.
That's why I favor the old hand as a backup. A guy who knows what's what and can step in and perform with minimal practice reps.
I don't particularly agree myself, at least until Jameis is putting up 5,000 yards and 50 TDs a year and we're winning 13 games a year. I'd love to have a solid backup quarterback in house. I wish Mike Glennon had gone insane and accepted our offer to stay. I hope we make a play for Jay Cutler, who has some similar traits to Winston and has won 70 games in this league. I'd be horrified of going into the season with Ryan Griffin a hit away from QB1. I don't think OBP is up for it either. I think they're going to wait until the dominoes fall with the projected starters and sign someone affordable who can play. I'm NOT an RGIII fan but someone like Nick Foles would make sense with that in mind.
MJW wrote:terrytate wrote:
I disagree, a little. If Winston went down for the year, then it's time to start looking at our free agents and the draft. If Winston goes down for 2 to 4 games, Having a backup that can keep us in those games is critical. After all, we missed the playoffs by one game this year. Who is to say that one game wouldn't cost us a home playoff game in the future, or even a bye one day.
That's why I favor the old hand as a backup. A guy who knows what's what and can step in and perform with minimal practice reps.
I don't particularly agree myself, at least until Jameis is putting up 5,000 yards and 50 TDs a year and we're winning 13 games a year. I'd love to have a solid backup quarterback in house. I wish Mike Glennon had gone insane and accepted our offer to stay. I hope we make a play for Jay Cutler, who has some similar traits to Winston and has won 70 games in this league. I'd be horrified of going into the season with Ryan Griffin a hit away from QB1. I don't think OBP is up for it either. I think they're going to wait until the dominoes fall with the projected starters and sign someone affordable who can play. I'm NOT an RGIII fan but someone like Nick Foles would make sense with that in mind.
sanka wrote:MJW wrote:
I don't particularly agree myself, at least until Jameis is putting up 5,000 yards and 50 TDs a year and we're winning 13 games a year. I'd love to have a solid backup quarterback in house. I wish Mike Glennon had gone insane and accepted our offer to stay. I hope we make a play for Jay Cutler, who has some similar traits to Winston and has won 70 games in this league. I'd be horrified of going into the season with Ryan Griffin a hit away from QB1. I don't think OBP is up for it either. I think they're going to wait until the dominoes fall with the projected starters and sign someone affordable who can play. I'm NOT an RGIII fan but someone like Nick Foles would make sense with that in mind.
Do not insult the great Winston by putting Cutler in the same sentence as him.
Teitan wrote:If Winston is injured we are done anyway.
Heisenberg wrote:Teitan wrote:If Winston is injured we are done anyway.
False.. A qb with experience would most likely win more than griffin who has zero. Not rg3...but there's several backups better than griffin
Bootz2004 wrote:This thread tells me the fan base still isn't there yet. They still have a losing mindset. No way in hell should there be this much discussion about who the backup QB is when we have a QB like Jameis Winston leading the way.
MJW wrote:Teitan wrote:If Winston is injured we are done anyway. RG3 would not fix that.
This reminds me of a line I heard from old Colts OC Tom Moore. Peter King (I think) asked him why the #2 QB behind Peyton Manning didn't get more reps in practice. Moore replied, "If Peyton goes down, we're f***ed either way, and we don't have time to practice f***ed."
Kress wrote:The only reason that this is a thing is because #1 is set. Are we going to talk about drafting a potential franchise? Of course not. We have Winston.
We thus move on to the "what if" scenario because, well, it is important at the qb position, and more important, it's the off-season and what the hell else are we going to do. If Jameis goes down, and which scares me because he takes risks that way, who can keep us afloat? Valid conversation.
Super K wrote:Kress wrote:The only reason that this is a thing is because #1 is set. Are we going to talk about drafting a potential franchise? Of course not. We have Winston.
We thus move on to the "what if" scenario because, well, it is important at the qb position, and more important, it's the off-season and what the hell else are we going to do. If Jameis goes down, and which scares me because he takes risks that way, who can keep us afloat? Valid conversation.
I look at it this way Kress...if JW were to "go down" for say, 1-3 games, it's up to Licht and DK to build and develop a "team" that gives us a chance in those games..opposed to having a QB2 whom can come in and win them for us..that's what the good teams in the league do/have going for them...their backups just have to come in and not completely **** the bed/manage the game etc..however you want to put it...
If JW is out for more than 1-3 games, our season is fucked..there is no "keeping us afloat"..
Now, that being said, I think Griffin is trash and I'd rather draft a rookie because our vet options are trash too... (RG3 and Foles included)
Bootz2004 wrote:This thread tells me the fan base still isn't there yet. They still have a losing mindset. No way in hell should there be this much discussion about who the backup QB is when we have a QB like Jameis Winston leading the way.
Kress wrote:Super K wrote:
I look at it this way Kress...if JW were to "go down" for say, 1-3 games, it's up to Licht and DK to build and develop a "team" that gives us a chance in those games..opposed to having a QB2 whom can come in and win them for us..that's what the good teams in the league do/have going for them...their backups just have to come in and not completely **** the bed/manage the game etc..however you want to put it...
If JW is out for more than 1-3 games, our season is fucked..there is no "keeping us afloat"..
Now, that being said, I think Griffin is trash and I'd rather draft a rookie because our vet options are trash too... (RG3 and Foles included)
Tom Brady was a qb who came in as a sub for a guy who went down. We just can't predict this stuff. Amass talent when you can.
Super K wrote:Swash, I appreciate your optimistic outlook...the never say die thing resonates with me at my core..
But in all seriousness...if we are 5-1 and JW goes down with a season ending injury, we are done..
Just like any other team that has a franchise QB:
Pats
Saints
Steelers
Raiders
Packers
Falcons
Titans
Chargers
Seahawks
Lions
Etc...
QB is THE most important position, in ANY sport..let's not act like it isn't...
You can't make having a franchise guy a non-negotiable, must have aspect of being a successful team and then try and play off losing said guy won't destroy a season..
Super K wrote:Swash, I appreciate your optimistic outlook...the never say die thing resonates with me at my core..
But in all seriousness...if we are 5-1 and JW goes down with a season ending injury, we are done..
Just like any other team that has a franchise QB:
Pats
Saints
Steelers
Raiders
Packers
Falcons
Titans
Chargers
Seahawks
Lions
Etc...
QB is THE most important position, in ANY sport..let's not act like it isn't...
You can't make having a franchise guy a non-negotiable, must have aspect of being a successful team and then try and play off losing said guy won't destroy a season..
Edit: an example of an elite/franchise QBs importance using an analogy...
If LBJ goes down, the Cavs are toast, no? No title run. .even if they make the playoffs they're are joke right?
Same thing in the NFL if your franchise QB goes down..
MJW wrote:
Still waiting to hear about how you're the one enlightened liberal who defends Jameis's (accused) sexism unquestionably. You keep disappearing when I ask. Come, wise Hillary voter, telling me. Or go back to ****ing off. Either/Or.
Bootz2004 wrote:This thread tells me the fan base still isn't there yet. They still have a losing mindset. No way in hell should there be this much discussion about who the backup QB is when we have a QB like Jameis Winston leading the way.
terrytate wrote:Bootz2004 wrote:This thread tells me the fan base still isn't there yet. They still have a losing mindset. No way in hell should there be this much discussion about who the backup QB is when we have a QB like Jameis Winston leading the way.
This is a football board, you sputtering idiot. We'd talk about the backup punter if we had one.
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