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Re: Kuechly: Retired

Postby MJW » Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:48 am

Deja Entendu wrote:
MJW wrote:Of MLBers I saw in their primes, I'd put 'em.

1) Mike Singletary, though I only caught the tail-end of his.
2) Ray Lewis.
3) Brian Urlacher.
4) Patrick Willis.
5) Luke Kuechly.
6) Bobby Wagner.
7) Chris Spielman.
8) Hardy Nickerson.
9) London Fletcher.
10) Zach Thomas/Sam Mills.


Good list but two things:

Hardy should be higher.

I’m going to assume you just forgot Junior Seau somehow.


I considered Seau a hybrid more than a "pure" middle linebacker like those guys.

The only guy I'd drop behind Hardy is his contemporary, Spielman. The guy might be my favorite Buc, but IMHO he's not better than those other six.
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Re: Kuechly: Retired

Postby MJW » Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:56 am

deltbucs wrote:
Deja Entendu wrote:
Good list but two things:

Hardy should be higher.

I’m going to assume you just forgot Junior Seau somehow.

And Barrett Ruud should obviously be in there near the top


If you're talking just guys most of us clearly remember, Shelton has to make an appearance sooner rather than later, right?
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Re: Kuechly: Retired

Postby Cheb » Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:32 am

He was a hell of a player.

I wish him the best in future.
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Re: Kuechly: Retired

Postby terrytate » Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:23 am

MJW wrote:Of MLBers I saw in their primes, I'd put 'em.

1) Mike Singletary, though I only caught the tail-end of his.
2) Ray Lewis.
3) Brian Urlacher.
4) Patrick Willis.
5) Luke Kuechly.
6) Bobby Wagner.
7) Chris Spielman.
8) Hardy Nickerson.
9) London Fletcher.
10) Zach Thomas/Sam Mills.



Good list. I have Lewis #1 and I think Zach Thomas might need to be higher. He was a 5 time first team All Pro for a very good reason.

I think Hardy would be higher on that list of he had spent more of his prime years at the height of the Title era Bucs. He was 30+ for our best years. If he'd been young enough to still be a star on our title team, I think he'd be in the Hall.
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Re: Kuechly: Retired

Postby Teitan » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:14 am

I’ll mark this down as 3 less INTs for Winston next year.
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Re: Kuechly: Retired

Postby uscbucsfan » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:29 am

MJW wrote:Of MLBers I saw in their primes, I'd put 'em.

1) Mike Singletary, though I only caught the tail-end of his.
2) Ray Lewis.
3) Brian Urlacher.
4) Patrick Willis.
5) Luke Kuechly.
6) Bobby Wagner.
7) Chris Spielman.
8) Hardy Nickerson.
9) London Fletcher.
10) Zach Thomas/Sam Mills.

I'd have Lewis 1, others have said this, but he's most commonly accepted as the GOAT MLB and for good reason.

I would also move Willis above Urlacher, move Thomas up that list a bit, and probably drop Fletcher for a few players like Norton Jr. and Seau (hybrid or not).

Kuechley is right where he belongs. Dude was awesome.

Those top 6 players are off the ball defenders that broke the rule of who the most important player on a defense. They are why I accepted taking White. A great MLB can cover up so many flaws on a defense. Hopefully White gets there one day.
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Re: Kuechly: Retired

Postby MJW » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:36 am

uscbucsfan wrote:
MJW wrote:Of MLBers I saw in their primes, I'd put 'em.

1) Mike Singletary, though I only caught the tail-end of his.
2) Ray Lewis.
3) Brian Urlacher.
4) Patrick Willis.
5) Luke Kuechly.
6) Bobby Wagner.
7) Chris Spielman.
8) Hardy Nickerson.
9) London Fletcher.
10) Zach Thomas/Sam Mills.

I'd have Lewis 1, others have said this, but he's most commonly accepted as the GOAT MLB and for good reason.

I would also move Willis above Urlacher, move Thomas up that list a bit, and probably drop Fletcher for a few players like Norton Jr. and Seau (hybrid or not).

Kuechley is right where he belongs. Dude was awesome.

Those top 6 players are off the ball defenders that broke the rule of who the most important player on a defense. They are why I accepted taking White. A great MLB can cover up so many flaws on a defense. Hopefully White gets there one day.


I guess I'm old school. Butkus is one of those dudes I'm probably never going to unseat.

I'm genuinely surprised when people don't have Urlacher higher. He covered like a 200 lbs. safety and hit like a freight train.

If Seau was on this list, I'd probably have him 4th.

As for White, you're not wrong, but I've always found a dominant pass rush covers up EVERYTHING on a defense :)
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Re: Kuechly: Retired

Postby PetePierson » Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:18 am

Jesus, they are acting like a Deity just died in Charlotte.

Edit: Agree that Urlacher is overrated. He is the Mark Alstott of LBs.
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Re: Kuechly: Retired

Postby .irishHITMAN4rent » Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:19 am

MJW wrote:Of MLBers I saw in their primes, I'd put 'em.

1) Mike Singletary, though I only caught the tail-end of his.
2) Ray Lewis.
3) Brian Urlacher.
4) Patrick Willis.
5) Luke Kuechly.
6) Bobby Wagner.
7) Chris Spielman.
8) Hardy Nickerson.
9) London Fletcher.
10) Zach Thomas/Sam Mills.



Never undersrood the love for Urlacher, always thought he was meh!!
Or maybe playing in the same era as Ray Lewis made other look
average in comparison.

For me Lewis is number one.....a big gap then, Kuechly and Willis, then a bunch of JAGS.

Bare in mind I've only been watching the NFL since the late 90s.
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Re: Kuechly: Retired

Postby MJW » Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:27 am

.irishHITMAN4rent wrote:
MJW wrote:Of MLBers I saw in their primes, I'd put 'em.

1) Mike Singletary, though I only caught the tail-end of his.
2) Ray Lewis.
3) Brian Urlacher.
4) Patrick Willis.
5) Luke Kuechly.
6) Bobby Wagner.
7) Chris Spielman.
8) Hardy Nickerson.
9) London Fletcher.
10) Zach Thomas/Sam Mills.



Never undersrood the love for Urlacher, always thought he was meh!!
Or maybe playing in the same era as Ray Lewis made other look
average in comparison.

For me Lewis is number one.....a big gap then, Kuechly and Willis, then a bunch of JAGS.

Bare in mind I've only been watching the NFL since the late 90s.


Ray basically eclipsed Urlacher, which is fine in the sense that Lewis was a generational player. It's an old story in the NFL. For example, did you know that Andre Reed retired with the most receptions in NFL history? Yet, what is he to most? A wide receiver from the 80s/90s who wasn't Jerry Rice.

Urlacher didn't have Ray's instincts. In fact, on that list, his instincts might have been the worst, at least in the run game. But he was also the most dynamic athlete ever to play the position. He was a dynamo in coverage. He was a nasty hitter. And he was the heart and soul of one of the best defenses of the era (those Lovie Bears Ds.)
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Re: Kuechly: Retired

Postby BJJ34 » Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:02 am

Didn’t know Kuechly didn’t have social media. What kind of animal is that? Millionaire and no social media.
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Re: Kuechly: Retired

Postby uscbucsfan » Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:06 am

MJW wrote:
.irishHITMAN4rent wrote:

Never undersrood the love for Urlacher, always thought he was meh!!
Or maybe playing in the same era as Ray Lewis made other look
average in comparison.

For me Lewis is number one.....a big gap then, Kuechly and Willis, then a bunch of JAGS.

Bare in mind I've only been watching the NFL since the late 90s.


Ray basically eclipsed Urlacher, which is fine in the sense that Lewis was a generational player. It's an old story in the NFL. For example, did you know that Andre Reed retired with the most receptions in NFL history? Yet, what is he to most? A wide receiver from the 80s/90s who wasn't Jerry Rice.

Urlacher didn't have Ray's instincts. In fact, on that list, his instincts might have been the worst, at least in the run game. But he was also the most dynamic athlete ever to play the position. He was a dynamo in coverage. He was a nasty hitter. And he was the heart and soul of one of the best defenses of the era (those Lovie Bears Ds.)


It's all personal preference, but Willis was thicker and faster than Urlacher. Urlacher's height and instincts made him vulnerable against the run at times, which puts him behind Willis for me. Willis played his last 2 years injured, but when healthy he was a Ray Lewis-lite in terms of being dominant in all aspects.

Those Ravens defenses had arguably the two greatest players at their positions of all time in Reed and Lewis. As awesome and generational as Lewis is, I think Reed was the more rare/amazing player.
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Re: Kuechly: Retired

Postby Buc2 » Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:44 am

PetePierson wrote:Jesus, the Panthers are going to be **** next season.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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Re: Kuechly: Retired

Postby StillCSG » Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:51 am

I almost feel bad for Cam Cam....almost
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Re: Kuechly: Retired

Postby beardmcdoug » Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:12 am

Kuechly seems like a good guy. great player. wish him the best. glad he'll no longer be suiting up for the panthers


feeling awfully "2009 Bucs"ish over there in Carolina... let's all pray that this is indeed the beginning of a decade of misery for them


and hell... with Brees on his last legs... and Matty Ice/Julio approaching the end... now is our time fellas


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Re: Kuechly: Retired

Postby PetePierson » Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:13 am

StillCSG wrote:I almost feel bad for Cam Cam....almost


Why? He is getting out of Carolina whether he wants to or not.

Oh, and he is also a colossal douche.
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Re: Kuechly: Retired

Postby NYBF » Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:22 am

I think it's pretty clear that Kuechly retired because no one can prove what will make Rhule a good head coach.
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Re: Kuechly: Retired

Postby beardmcdoug » Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:26 am

NYBF wrote:I think it's pretty clear that Kuechly retired because no one can prove what will make Rhule a good head coach.


I heard a leak from a friend of an insider (my guess is it's Rhule's son), that Kuechly retired because Rhule already banned "Friday" by Rebecca Black from next year's training camp playlist
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Re: Kuechly: Retired

Postby DreadNaught » Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:29 am

PetePierson wrote:
StillCSG wrote:I almost feel bad for Cam Cam....almost


Why? He is getting out of Carolina whether he wants to or not.

Oh, and he is also a colossal douche.

I think he's talking about the poster who visits here occasionally. Not the QB.
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Re: Kuechly: Retired

Postby uscbucsfan » Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:36 am

NYBF wrote:I think it's pretty clear that Kuechly retired because Rhule played football at Penn State.


fixed.
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Re: Kuechly: Retired

Postby StillCSG » Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:39 am

DreadNaught wrote:
PetePierson wrote:
Why? He is getting out of Carolina whether he wants to or not.

Oh, and he is also a colossal douche.

I think he's talking about the poster who visits here occasionally. Not the QB.


Yep... Cam the player can choke on all the rotting *****
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Re: Kuechly: Retired

Postby Nano » Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:50 am

beardmcdoug wrote:
NYBF wrote:I think it's pretty clear that Kuechly retired because no one can prove what will make Rhule a good head coach.


I heard a leak from a friend of an insider (my guess is it's Rhule's son), that Kuechly retired because Rhule already banned "Friday" by Rebecca Black from next year's training camp playlist

Doubt that's true. There'd be a league investigation if there was.
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Re: Kuechly: Retired

Postby UbuntuBuc » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:45 am

Snake wrote:
Ironworker808 wrote:Whiskey.

Tango.

Foxtrot.

Good for us, bad for the NFL.

If we reach a point where elite players are retiring around 30 years old, I anticipate some sort of restructuring. Where they start to pluck players immediately out of high school To make more money on them


With the way e-sports are becoming a thing, Football might be dead in the future anyway.
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Re: Kuechly: Retired

Postby acmillis » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:50 am

beardmcdoug wrote:Kuechly seems like a good guy. great player. wish him the best. glad he'll no longer be suiting up for the panthers


feeling awfully "2009 Bucs"ish over there in Carolina... let's all pray that this is indeed the beginning of a decade of misery for them


and hell... with Brees on his last legs... and Matty Ice/Julio approaching the end... now is our time fellas


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Re: Kuechly: Retired

Postby DreadNaught » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:50 am

UbuntuBuc wrote:
Snake wrote:If we reach a point where elite players are retiring around 30 years old, I anticipate some sort of restructuring. Where they start to pluck players immediately out of high school To make more money on them

With the way e-sports are becoming a thing, Football might be dead in the future anyway.

Is an e-sport the same thing as a video game?
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Re: Kuechly: Retired

Postby Nano » Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:13 pm

DreadNaught wrote:
UbuntuBuc wrote:With the way e-sports are becoming a thing, Football might be dead in the future anyway.

Is an e-sport the same thing as a video game?

Esports is competitive video games. Common with games like Madden, Overwatch, Rocket League, and League of L̶o̶s̶e̶r̶s̶Legends. It's really taken off the the past couple years.
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Re: Kuechly: Retired

Postby uscbucsfan » Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:20 pm

Nano wrote:
DreadNaught wrote:Is an e-sport the same thing as a video game?

Esports is competitive video games. Common with games like Madden, Overwatch, Rocket League, and League of L̶o̶s̶e̶r̶s̶Legends. It's really taken off the the past couple years.

But misleading because playing video games isn't a sport.

On the radio here they are saying Kuechly is a lock for the HOF. At first I scoffed, but 7 x All-Pro (5 first team),DROY, DPOY, 7 time Pro Bowler, lead the NFL in tackles twice, and well liked.

I actually agree. He played 8 years and was a All-Pro for 7 years...DROY for the 1 year he wasn't. Pretty good.
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Re: Kuechly: Retired

Postby Ironworker808 » Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:30 pm

BJJ34 wrote:Didn’t know Kuechly didn’t have social media. What kind of animal is that? Millionaire and no social media.


Just saw on Reddit he didn’t even have cable for his first four years in the league.

Said he didn’t want it to distract him from watching game film.
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Re: Kuechly: Retired

Postby DreadNaught » Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:31 pm

I'm sure video games are popular. But they won't replace actual sports.

Do non-gamers watch e-sports? I can't imagine many people who don't play video games aren't going to watch someone else play them. But people who don't play {insert sport} still enjoy watching actual human beings engage in competition on whatever field.

I don't play tennis, but I'll watch Federer vs Nadal in the final of Grand Slam. I can't envision myself ever watching some kid play a video game.

Football may very well go away in the future, but it will be due to the continued softening of society that is taking place where people/consumer will deem it to be too brutal. But we still have boxing and MMA is very popular so we're a long way off from that imo.

Plus, football is incredibly popular in America and part of the culture so it'll take generations to change that.
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Re: Kuechly: Retired

Postby Deuce » Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:06 pm

DreadNaught wrote:Football may very well go away in the future, but it will be due to the continued softening of society that is taking place where people/consumer will deem it to be too brutal. But we still have boxing and MMA is very popular so we're a long way off from that imo.


If society collectively decides that they don't want themselves or their kids to get CTE and to be able to walk normally when they're 50+, does that make them soft?
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