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Re: ***OFFICIAL 2018 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Off-Season Thread!

Postby Bootz2004 » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:20 am

NYBF wrote:
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Anyone who’s above 5 feet can just raise their arms up and that’s 7 feet right there. That is unless their arms are shorter than 24 inches.



Your arms are on the top of your head?


Nope. But the difference between actual arm length and what you lose by the arms being where they are is still more than 7 feet in most cases. Don’t try so hard, kyddo. Stick to football....Oh wait, that’s right. You can’t. My bad. Troll on.
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Re: ***OFFICIAL 2018 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Off-Season Thread!

Postby Deuce » Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:12 am

Bootz2004 wrote:
NYBF wrote:
Your arms are on the top of your head?


Nope. But the difference between actual arm length and what you lose by the arms being where they are is still more than 7 feet in most cases. Don’t try so hard, kyddo. Stick to football....Oh wait, that’s right. You can’t. My bad. Troll on.


Found an "expected standing reach" calculator: https://www.whatsmyvertical.com/standing-reach/

It hits 7 feet, 0.1 inches at 5'3. So we should amend Bootz' statement to "Mostly anyone who's 5'3 or above can just raise their arms up and that's 7 feet right there."

Fun fact from that site- Tyler Ullis of the Phoenix Suns is 5'9 with a standing reach of 7 feet, 4.75 inches (shortest in the NBA)
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Re: ***OFFICIAL 2018 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Off-Season Thread!

Postby Jason Bourne » Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:00 am

my standing reach is 8 feet 2 inches something... so that means a jameis red zone pass would hit me in the elbows
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Re: ***OFFICIAL 2018 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Off-Season Thread!

Postby acmillis » Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:23 am

Jason Bourne wrote:my standing reach is 8 feet 2 inches something... so that means a jameis red zone pass would a defender in the hands

FIFY
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Re: ***OFFICIAL 2018 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Off-Season Thread!

Postby Bootz2004 » Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:37 am

acmillis wrote:
Jason Bourne wrote:my standing reach is 8 feet 2 inches something... so that means a jameis red zone pass would a defender in the hands

FIFY


Bingo. I hope Swashy gets it now. There aren't any 6'5 or 6'6 DBs so putting it up high for big targets in the red zone is the way to go. Jameis is great at doing that.
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Re: ***OFFICIAL 2018 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Off-Season Thread!

Postby Deuce » Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:42 am

Bootz2004 wrote:
acmillis wrote:FIFY


Bingo. I hope Swashy gets it now. There aren't any 6'5 or 6'6 DBs so putting it up high for big targets in the red zone is the way to go. Jameis is great at doing that.


Given the size of our targets, the optimal pass is probably somewhere around 10'.
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Re: ***OFFICIAL 2018 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Off-Season Thread!

Postby NYBF » Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:45 am

Deuce wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:
Nope. But the difference between actual arm length and what you lose by the arms being where they are is still more than 7 feet in most cases. Don’t try so hard, kyddo. Stick to football....Oh wait, that’s right. You can’t. My bad. Troll on.


Found an "expected standing reach" calculator: https://www.whatsmyvertical.com/standing-reach/

It hits 7 feet, 0.1 inches at 5'3. So we should amend Bootz' statement to "Mostly anyone who's 5'3 or above can just raise their arms up and that's 7 feet right there."

Fun fact from that site- Tyler Ullis of the Phoenix Suns is 5'9 with a standing reach of 7 feet, 4.75 inches (shortest in the NBA)


And you'd have to be 6'0" for a full 24" extension on your expected reach.

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Fun fact - at the NFL Experience in Times Square, they have a station where they measure your standing reach and then your vertical and then compare it to NFL players.
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Re: ***OFFICIAL 2018 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Off-Season Thread!

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:42 pm

Ronald Jones signed.

4 yrs, $7M with a $3.2M signing bonus.
https://twitter.com/NFLSTROUD/status/1007316792056918017

That's the whole rookie class right there.
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Re: ***OFFICIAL 2018 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Off-Season Thread!

Postby Bootz2004 » Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:42 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:Ronald Jones signed.

4 yrs, $7M with a $3.2M signing bonus.
https://twitter.com/NFLSTROUD/status/1007316792056918017

That's the whole rookie class right there.


5 weeks until TC starts!
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Re: ***OFFICIAL 2018 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Off-Season Thread!

Postby mdb1958 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:07 pm

Bucs cut Reese Fleming CB
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Re: ***OFFICIAL 2018 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Off-Season Thread!

Postby Hit55 » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:19 am

mdb1958 wrote:Bucs cut Reese Fleming CB

That sucks. I really liked him and hoped he'd be able to stick around. He was the one who tore his meniscus last year and kept playing and secured our preseason win over Jacksonville with a deflected pass in the corner of the end zone to end the game. Wish him the best with wherever he may land.
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Re: ***OFFICIAL 2018 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Off-Season Thread!

Postby real bucs fan » Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:31 am

I'm getting pretty jacked up about the season. D is looking like it could be a ALOT better than last year- plus have a lot of young guys on O who could take steps forward....
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Re: ***OFFICIAL 2018 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Off-Season Thread!

Postby mdb1958 » Sun Jun 17, 2018 6:17 am

Did anyone hear the hyena howl out when the field goal was made to end camp
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Re: ***OFFICIAL 2018 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Off-Season Thread!

Postby mdb1958 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:46 pm

Gerald playing NT? And everywhere else on the d-line. Is Gapshooter stepping up
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Re: ***OFFICIAL 2018 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Off-Season Thread!

Postby SIBucsFan » Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:54 pm

mdb1958 wrote:Gerald playing NT? And everywhere else on the d-line. Is Gapshooter stepping up


I like versatility, but it's different with guys who are one of the best in the game at what they do.

McCoy is one of the best 4-3 under tackles in the game. His quick first-step may be unmatched in this league, maybe second to Aaron Donald among DTs. I don't like the idea of playing guys out of position when they are so good at what they do, especially now that we have a competent NT in Beau Allen and one that needs all the reps he can get as a rookie in Vita Vea.
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Re: ***OFFICIAL 2018 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Off-Season Thread!

Postby DreadNaught » Mon Jun 18, 2018 1:03 pm

mdb1958 wrote:Gerald playing NT? And everywhere else on the d-line. Is Gapshooter stepping up


We'll see. I think McCoy is most effective playing from the 3tech since it makes doubling him w/ the Center a more difficult task. It also puts the NT playing that 1-tech alot of room to operate vs a 1v1 block (assuming the Center double teams McCoy).

But I do think Buckner will mix in some various fronts on defense. However on passing downs the best pass rushing DT is often lined up as a 3tech these days of teams are in a 4 man front.

I do think we finally have the personnel to run some 3 man fronts this season with addition of Allen and Vea who can play over the Center. I'd like to see McCoy out wider as a 5 or even a 7 in certain situations attacking a Tackle instead of a Guard.
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Re: ***OFFICIAL 2018 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Off-Season Thread!

Postby SIBucsFan » Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:41 pm

DreadNaught wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:I do think we finally have the personnel to run some 3 man fronts this season with addition of Allen and Vea who can play over the Center. I'd like to see McCoy out wider as a 5 or even a 7 in certain situations attacking a Tackle instead of a Guard.


As quick as McCoy's first step is, do you think he has the overall speed and quickness to be effective as a 5 or 7 tech in a 3-man front? Does that even matter since generally the primary task of a 3-4 DE is generating enough push to clear things up for a linebacker coming on a blitz?
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Re: ***OFFICIAL 2018 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Off-Season Thread!

Postby DreadNaught » Mon Jun 18, 2018 3:35 pm

SIBucsFan wrote:
DreadNaught wrote:


As quick as McCoy's first step is, do you think he has the overall speed and quickness to be effective as a 5 or 7 tech in a 3-man front? Does that even matter since generally the primary task of a 3-4 DE is generating enough push to clear things up for a linebacker coming on a blitz?


I think any potential use of a 3 man front would be very limited and McCoy's hypothetical role as a 5tech would be sparse. But I do think McCoy is an elite pass rusher. So if the opponent has a weak OT in the game I'd like to see McCoy put in position to attack him.

I just like the 3 man line in sub packages as a different look for the opposing Oline/QB b/c the multiple pressure options a defense has.

That said, we may not see it at all. But it's mid-June so this is the time for random offseason speculation.
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Re: ***OFFICIAL 2018 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Off-Season Thread!

Postby mdb1958 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:24 pm

Hey its year 9, there is always a chance he will produce an effective bullrush.
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