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Re: **Official Soccer Thread**

Postby Ken Carson » Tue Jun 14, 2016 10:44 am

NYBF wrote:
Ken Carson wrote:Brazil out in the group stage.


Some mighty fine officiating made this happen.

That and Brazil being a shell of itself. 10 years ago, Braxil beats Peru 7-1 and that handball is a footnote.
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Re: **Official Soccer Thread**

Postby NYBF » Tue Jun 14, 2016 2:07 pm

Ken Carson wrote:
NYBF wrote:
Some mighty fine officiating made this happen.

That and Brazil being a shell of itself. 10 years ago, Braxil beats Peru 7-1 and that handball is a footnote.


They're also missing their best player, who just happens to be a top 5 player in the world. But they decided (rightfully) that it was more important to have him for the Olympics than for Copa America.
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Re: **Official Soccer Thread**

Postby Zarniwoop » Tue Jun 14, 2016 2:54 pm

Olympic soccer sucks
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Re: **Official Soccer Thread**

Postby NYBF » Tue Jun 14, 2016 3:44 pm

Zarniwoop wrote:Olympic soccer sucks


Yes, but Brazil is hosting. Would you rather win a tournament on another continent? Or in your own backyard?
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Re: **Official Soccer Thread**

Postby Zarniwoop » Tue Jun 14, 2016 5:21 pm

I'd rather win Copa America at home than the Olympics anywhere.

The Olympics is basically a U23 tournament. And the odd thing is that it's not all that great a predictor for future success...Mexico won the last one. Nigeria made the finals the year before. Europe is drastically underrepresented...and other areas have no business sending someone through ... like Fiji this year.


Mind you, I'd watch the Olympics begore MLS or even most Gold Cups if the US ever made it, but I'd much prefer doing well in Copa America
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Re: **Official Soccer Thread**

Postby NYBF » Wed Jun 15, 2016 10:15 am

Zarniwoop wrote:I'd rather win Copa America at home than the Olympics anywhere.



That wasn't a choice, but ok.
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Re: **Official Soccer Thread**

Postby Ken Carson » Wed Jun 15, 2016 10:58 am

NYBF wrote:
Zarniwoop wrote:Olympic soccer sucks


Yes, but Brazil is hosting. Would you rather win a tournament on another continent? Or in your own backyard?


The Olympics? Like Zarni said, they are the U23 World Cup. It's nowhere close to the level of competition of the Copa America.

It's akin to sitting the starting Varsity QB who happens to be a freshman in the state playoffs so that he can play in the JV tournament that the 0-11 team gets to go to as well.
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Re: **Official Soccer Thread**

Postby NYBF » Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:50 pm

Ken Carson wrote:
NYBF wrote:
Yes, but Brazil is hosting. Would you rather win a tournament on another continent? Or in your own backyard?


The Olympics? Like Zarni said, they are the U23 World Cup. It's nowhere close to the level of competition of the Copa America.

It's akin to sitting the starting Varsity QB who happens to be a freshman in the state playoffs so that he can play in the JV tournament that the 0-11 team gets to go to as well.


The level of competition at Copa America is pretty bad. And I think you guys are underestimating what Olympic medals mean to countries that aren't the US. Those athletes are treated like heroes. Even more true when you're the host. Here in the US, no one cares 2 days after closing ceremonies.
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Re: **Official Soccer Thread**

Postby Zarniwoop » Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:05 pm

NYBF wrote:
Ken Carson wrote:
The Olympics? Like Zarni said, they are the U23 World Cup. It's nowhere close to the level of competition of the Copa America.

It's akin to sitting the starting Varsity QB who happens to be a freshman in the state playoffs so that he can play in the JV tournament that the 0-11 team gets to go to as well.


The level of competition at Copa America is pretty bad. And I think you guys are underestimating what Olympic medals mean to countries that aren't the US. Those athletes are treated like heroes. Even more true when you're the host. Here in the US, no one cares 2 days after closing ceremonies.



While that may be true of some countries...you won't hear anyone in France, England, Netherlands, Italy etc be disappointed they aren't even in the Olympics. Most of the biggest countries don't care that much.


Mind you, I wish we were in it so I could see the youngsters who weren't good enough for Copa America but I'd much rather win Copa America then the Olympics
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Re: **Official Soccer Thread**

Postby Ken Carson » Wed Jun 15, 2016 9:07 pm

NYBF wrote:
Ken Carson wrote:
The Olympics? Like Zarni said, they are the U23 World Cup. It's nowhere close to the level of competition of the Copa America.

It's akin to sitting the starting Varsity QB who happens to be a freshman in the state playoffs so that he can play in the JV tournament that the 0-11 team gets to go to as well.


The level of competition at Copa America is pretty bad. And I think you guys are underestimating what Olympic medals mean to countries that aren't the US. Those athletes are treated like heroes. Even more true when you're the host. Here in the US, no one cares 2 days after closing ceremonies.


Most squads in the Copa America would be prohibitive favorites to win the Olympics if the senior squads could play against the U23s.
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Re: **Official Soccer Thread**

Postby Zarniwoop » Thu Jun 16, 2016 8:04 am

I'd love to see Wales beat England this morning
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Re: **Official Soccer Thread**

Postby NYBF » Thu Jun 16, 2016 8:35 am

Ken Carson wrote:
NYBF wrote:
The level of competition at Copa America is pretty bad. And I think you guys are underestimating what Olympic medals mean to countries that aren't the US. Those athletes are treated like heroes. Even more true when you're the host. Here in the US, no one cares 2 days after closing ceremonies.


Most squads in the Copa America would be prohibitive favorites to win the Olympics if the senior squads could play against the U23s.


Depending on how the rosters actually shake out, I would take almost any of the teams that have already qualified from Europe (Denmark, Portugal, Germany, Sweden) vs all but maybe 3-4 Copa teams.
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Re: **Official Soccer Thread**

Postby Zarniwoop » Thu Jun 16, 2016 8:45 am

1.0 Wales
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Re: **Official Soccer Thread**

Postby Zarniwoop » Thu Jun 16, 2016 8:47 am

NYBF wrote:
Ken Carson wrote:
Most squads in the Copa America would be prohibitive favorites to win the Olympics if the senior squads could play against the U23s.


Depending on how the rosters actually shake out, I would take almost any of the teams that have already qualified from Europe (Denmark, Portugal, Germany, Sweden) vs all but maybe 3-4 Copa teams.



And you'd lose

Just look at the list of "top" teams you wrote. Besides Germany the other 3 are hardly top.
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Re: **Official Soccer Thread**

Postby Zarniwoop » Thu Jun 16, 2016 8:49 am

Copa America has 5 of the top 9 ranked teams in the world. And 9 of the top 30.

And you think a group of U23s from Denmark and Sweden (even with a provisional or 2 old guys) can beat most of them?
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Re: **Official Soccer Thread**

Postby Zarniwoop » Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:15 am

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Re: **Official Soccer Thread**

Postby NYBF » Thu Jun 16, 2016 11:02 am

Zarniwoop wrote:
NYBF wrote:
Depending on how the rosters actually shake out, I would take almost any of the teams that have already qualified from Europe (Denmark, Portugal, Germany, Sweden) vs all but maybe 3-4 Copa teams.



And you'd lose

Just look at the list of "top" teams you wrote. Besides Germany the other 3 are hardly top.


Never called them "top", but if you want to reference top 9 and top 30 and ignore Portugal, OK.
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Re: **Official Soccer Thread**

Postby Zarniwoop » Thu Jun 16, 2016 12:37 pm

NYBF wrote:
Zarniwoop wrote:

And you'd lose

Just look at the list of "top" teams you wrote. Besides Germany the other 3 are hardly top.


Never called them "top", but if you want to reference top 9 and top 30 and ignore Portugal, OK.



The Portugal team playing in the Olympics is far from the one ranked 9 in the world. Do you think CR7 is going to play in the Olympics? Or Nani? Or indeed any starter from the Euro team?


The level of play in the Olympics is so far below the normal teams it's not even remotely arguable.
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Re: **Official Soccer Thread**

Postby Zarniwoop » Thu Jun 16, 2016 8:41 pm

Big game tonight.

I'm hoping with Besler slotting in at left fullback it gives FJ a bit more leeway to push up liberally as though we were playing 3 CBs
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Re: **Official Soccer Thread**

Postby Zarniwoop » Thu Jun 16, 2016 8:57 pm

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Re: **Official Soccer Thread**

Postby Ken Carson » Fri Jun 17, 2016 6:24 am

Very nice win for the US. Both goals showed how classy Dempsey still is. What a touch on the Zardes goal to control that.

Argentina will be a very tough test (assuming they take care of Venezuela), especially without Jones. And Bedoya has been crucial in allowing Bradley to play from the back.
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Re: **Official Soccer Thread**

Postby Zarniwoop » Fri Jun 17, 2016 7:21 am

The first half was some of the best soccer I've seen from the US in years. Everyone (apart from maybe Bradley) played very well.

Losing all 3 guys is tough. Bobby Wood is really opening things up, Bedoya is a strong 2 way player and Jones (when on) is our most dominant central force.

I doubt we stand much chance, but we've had a good tournament so far...so I'm happy
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Re: **Official Soccer Thread**

Postby Phantom Phenom » Sat Jun 18, 2016 12:40 pm

what if USA shock the world and upset Argentina ?

believe in miracle
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Re: **Official Soccer Thread**

Postby Ken Carson » Sat Jun 18, 2016 1:02 pm

Zarniwoop wrote:The first half was some of the best soccer I've seen from the US in years. Everyone (apart from maybe Bradley) played very well.

Losing all 3 guys is tough. Bobby Wood is really opening things up, Bedoya is a strong 2 way player and Jones (when on) is our most dominant central force.

I doubt we stand much chance, but we've had a good tournament so far...so I'm happy

Klinnsman said the goal was the Semis. Anything else is gravy when your are likely facing the top side in the world. And if the US were to beat Argentina in the this tournament, it would be arguably the biggest win in US soccer history as far as opponent/stage.
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Re: **Official Soccer Thread**

Postby Phantom Phenom » Sat Jun 18, 2016 8:30 pm

USA will have to deal with Messi and Argentina in semifinal game
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Re: **Official Soccer Thread**

Postby Zarniwoop » Sat Jun 18, 2016 9:40 pm

As one knows if they follow any of our soccer threads, I'm not one to say that a team should park the bus and play defensively, but we should park a few buses, beat the hell out of them physically and pray for a miracle.


If they beat us...Fair enough, they should....but they better leave beaten, bruised and limping
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Re: **Official Soccer Thread**

Postby real bucs fan » Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:46 am

Chile by a touchdown!
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Re: **Official Soccer Thread**

Postby Zarniwoop » Sun Jun 19, 2016 6:16 pm

real bucs fan wrote:Chile by a touchdown!



I loved seeing that
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Re: **Official Soccer Thread**

Postby Ken Carson » Sun Jun 19, 2016 8:21 pm

Zarniwoop wrote:As one knows if they follow any of our soccer threads, I'm not one to say that a team should park the bus and play defensively, but we should park a few buses, beat the hell out of them physically and pray for a miracle.


If they beat us...Fair enough, they should....but they better leave beaten, bruised and limping


They should park the bus. Honestly, I think the best this game could go for us is our WC game vs Belgium. Guzan has to play amazingly, Brooks and Cameron need to deal with a ton, and we get one or two shots to win 1-0. Hopefully Wondo doesn't blow it this time.
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Re: **Official Soccer Thread**

Postby Phantom Phenom » Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:40 pm

no, they shouldn't park the bus. They need to go for it and keep attack it period


U.S. beating Argentina at Copa not 'mission impossible' - Bradley
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