Phantom Phenom wrote:https://thehockeywriters.com/tampa-bay-lightning-consider-trading-kucherov/
Hope the rumors aren’t true
Brazen331 wrote:If you look at lists of top 50 NHL prospects, Foote is the only one who consistently shows up, Katchouk sometimes.
I think Foote is the top prospect right now and it should stay that way. He should spend 2 years in the AHL if they are going to develop him right.
I hate bringing young defensemen up before they fill out and are physically mature. You know they are going to make tons of mistakes, no need to possibly damage their psyche when they really should not be playing with the big boys yet.
Dahlin is the exception. He was NHL ready at 17.
Alpha wrote:Brazen331 wrote:If you look at lists of top 50 NHL prospects, Foote is the only one who consistently shows up, Katchouk sometimes.
I think Foote is the top prospect right now and it should stay that way. He should spend 2 years in the AHL if they are going to develop him right.
I hate bringing young defensemen up before they fill out and are physically mature. You know they are going to make tons of mistakes, no need to possibly damage their psyche when they really should not be playing with the big boys yet.
Dahlin is the exception. He was NHL ready at 17.
Do you remember when Hedman came up? I do.
Most fans thought he was a bum. Soft. "Typical" Euro. Too much finesse. Listen to Don Cherry...and many other NHL "experts". They "say" it typically takes 300 NHL games to find out what a defensive player is gonna be, in the league.
This makes Sergachev's year even more impressive. Imagine what he could become in a couple of years (the 300 game mark). IF Dahlin comes close to what Sergachev produced, I'll be impressed. He's gonna struggle at times. I think Dahlin will be really good...but stranger things have happened. Waaaaay too soon to tell.
Regardless of the "Top 50" goes...know this. The Lightning are LOADED with forwards. Be damned what the "Top 50" says. Wait a year and everyone will know that.
Brazen331 wrote:But part of the reason why I would prefer not to go into cap purgatory over Kucherov is the need to lock down the future, meaning Sergachev and Point.
Jason Bourne wrote:JT Miller signs 5 years 5.25 per year
http://bit.ly/2KnFbKU?cc=5dcbd472215736 ... 93f703a3b1
DreadNaught wrote:What does this Miller signing mean for Kuch?
I get Kuch struggled at the end of the playoffs, but he's arguably our best offensive player (respects to Stammer) and he's still young.
I'm no hockey buff but Kuch seems like one the most skilled players in the league. If there is one thing I know about team building in pro sports is you don't let young talent get away, especially those that light up the scoreboard.
Jason Bourne wrote:DreadNaught wrote:What does this Miller signing mean for Kuch?
I get Kuch struggled at the end of the playoffs, but he's arguably our best offensive player (respects to Stammer) and he's still young.
I'm no hockey buff but Kuch seems like one the most skilled players in the league. If there is one thing I know about team building in pro sports is you don't let young talent get away, especially those that light up the scoreboard.
I don’t think Kuch is going anywhere
Commander Bubbles wrote:Jason Bourne wrote:JT Miller signs 5 years 5.25 per year
http://bit.ly/2KnFbKU?cc=5dcbd472215736 ... 93f703a3b1
Awesome!
Had anyone heard that we will be visiting with Tavares? Can we really land him?
Brazen331 wrote:Commander Bubbles wrote:
Awesome!
Had anyone heard that we will be visiting with Tavares? Can we really land him?
No. They would have let Miller become a UFA if they thought they could sign him. Tavares isn’t going anywhere. When you look at the teams he is meeting with, you can easily draw that conclusion. Slight chance San Jose lands him, but if he was serious about actually leaving, why didn’t Vegas make the cut? They have the most cap room and they have no captain.
It’s actually the perfect place for him. You could make the Karlsson line the 2nd line for a lethal 1-2 punch. But no, it seems obvious Tavares wants that 8th year. Probably for the best as I don’t think he is worth 11-12 million a year.
Let the team who drafted him overpay.
Brazen331 wrote:Free up as much salary as you want but you still have a cap. Signing Kucherov is fine if that’s the road you choose, but be aware that you will have a huge chunk of the cap tied up in 3 players.
I look at a team like the Oilers that really can’t do much even with the best player on earth because they pay so much to so few and have to field such a poor supporting cast because of it.
But if the Bolts are going to tie so much salary up in 3 players, I’d rather that player be Tavares or Karlsson over Kucherov.
Alpha says there are good forwards in Syracuse. If that’s the case bring them up for some cheap labor while you spend to retool this defense.
Jason Bourne wrote:Brazen331 wrote:as far as forwards from syracuse ...meh too early right now. look at Cirelli, he was very hot and cold.Johnson will be gone so we will be adding another forward for sure.
Brazen331 wrote:Free up as much salary as you want but you still have a cap. Signing Kucherov is fine if that’s the road you choose, but be aware that you will have a huge chunk of the cap tied up in 3 players.
I look at a team like the Oilers that really can’t do much even with the best player on earth because they pay so much to so few and have to field such a poor supporting cast because of it.
But if the Bolts are going to tie so much salary up in 3 players, I’d rather that player be Tavares or Karlsson over Kucherov.
Alpha says there are good forwards in Syracuse. If that’s the case bring them up for some cheap labor while you spend to retool this defense.
Alpha wrote:Ok...it's probably a poor comparison...I am NOT comparing Kuch to Gretzky.
Gretzky was 28 when he was traded to the Kings. He was (obviously) coming off of multiple 100+ point seasons. Here are the particulars of that trade:
Gretzky, Marty McSorley and Center Mike Krushelnyski to the Kings.
The Oilers get:
15 MILIION dollars
Center Jimmy Carson and Winger Martin Gelinas
1st round picks in 1989, 1991 and 1993
McSorely was decent. I don't think the other players amounted to much and I'm not going to see who the first round picks turned out to be. Obviously, Kuch wouldn't garner a Gretzky-type haul...but it would be in the zip code.
Chew on that for a minute.
Brazen331 wrote:Alpha wrote:Ok...it's probably a poor comparison...I am NOT comparing Kuch to Gretzky.
Gretzky was 28 when he was traded to the Kings. He was (obviously) coming off of multiple 100+ point seasons. Here are the particulars of that trade:
Gretzky, Marty McSorley and Center Mike Krushelnyski to the Kings.
The Oilers get:
15 MILIION dollars
Center Jimmy Carson and Winger Martin Gelinas
1st round picks in 1989, 1991 and 1993
McSorely was decent. I don't think the other players amounted to much and I'm not going to see who the first round picks turned out to be. Obviously, Kuch wouldn't garner a Gretzky-type haul...but it would be in the zip code.
Chew on that for a minute.
You are not going to get top value if you trade him. Everyone knows that their offer will be better than losing him in FA for nothing.
Alpha wrote:And none of you have answered my very simple question:
CLEARLY...at this point...we can't afford to sign Tavares.
WHY is Yzerman even bothering to meet with him?
Unless...we can?
Brazen331 wrote:You are not going to get top value if you trade him. Everyone knows that their offer will be better than losing him in FA for nothing.
Alpha wrote:And none of you have answered my very simple question:
CLEARLY...at this point...we can't afford to sign Tavares.
WHY is Yzerman even bothering to meet with him?
Unless...we can?
Kress wrote:Alpha wrote:And none of you have answered my very simple question:
CLEARLY...at this point...we can't afford to sign Tavares.
WHY is Yzerman even bothering to meet with him?
Unless...we can?
A short-term, "chance to win a cup" deal, with him then walking into free agency in a couple of years, still being a relatively-young player, and seeking his long-term deal then. He'd bet on his health and a possible cup with a great organization against the security of a long-term deal now.
Throw in the tax thing and some fancy tesla coils slinging stuff around the arena, and that's all I've got.
Kress wrote:Isn't Karlsson available again?
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