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Postby real bucs fan » Sun Feb 08, 2015 12:20 am

After having lost interest in boxing for a while, I'm starting to get back into it. Obviously want to see Mayweather vs Manny, but the fight I really want to see is Wilder vs Fury. I think it's a great matchup and the winner would be the undisputed #1 contender to Wlad (assuming he takes care of business) so obviously huge stakes.
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Re: Boxing Thread

Postby StillCSG » Sun Feb 08, 2015 1:32 am

real bucs fan wrote:After having lost interest in boxing for a while, I'm starting to get back into it. Obviously want to see Mayweather vs Manny, but the fight I really want to see is Wilder vs Fury. I think it's a great matchup and the winner would be the undisputed #1 contender to Wlad (assuming he takes care of business) so obviously huge stakes.


Wilder will CRUSH Fury

I could of swore i heard rumblings of Wlad hanging them up after this next fight win or lose
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Re: Boxing Thread

Postby real bucs fan » Sun Feb 08, 2015 10:45 am

StillCSG wrote:
real bucs fan wrote:After having lost interest in boxing for a while, I'm starting to get back into it. Obviously want to see Mayweather vs Manny, but the fight I really want to see is Wilder vs Fury. I think it's a great matchup and the winner would be the undisputed #1 contender to Wlad (assuming he takes care of business) so obviously huge stakes.


Wilder will CRUSH Fury

I could of swore i heard rumblings of Wlad hanging them up after this next fight win or lose


The reason why I think it'll be a good fight is Wilder hasn't had his chin tested. I think matchup wise, Wilder will have a tough time against a much bigger man, especially one with Fury's power. Fury will test out that chin, and we will see just how good of a contender Wilder is. I would put my money on Wilder, though I think it'll be an epic slugfest. Two huge guys throwing bomb after bomb.

Haven't heard those rumblings, but I do know the Wilder camp is targeting Fury next and then Wlad (Wilder said so in a recent presser).
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Re: Boxing Thread

Postby Hit55 » Sun Feb 15, 2015 4:48 pm

Finally! Some (potentially) fantastic news! It looks like a deal is set for the Pacquiao - Mayweather fight to happen.

Link: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/others ... fight.html

Pacquiao has done his part, agreed to terms, signed the contract and sent it over to Mayweather. It's up to Floyd to sign and announce. Of course, we've been down this road before with Floyd, so let's see if he mans up and announces this thing and makes it official...tonight at the NBA All-Star game preferred. I wonder how difficult it will be to scoop tickets to this.
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Re: Boxing Thread

Postby StillCSG » Sun Feb 15, 2015 6:52 pm

Hit55 wrote:Finally! Some (potentially) fantastic news! It looks like a deal is set for the Pacquiao - Mayweather fight to happen.

Link: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/others ... fight.html

Pacquiao has done his part, agreed to terms, signed the contract and sent it over to Mayweather. It's up to Floyd to sign and announce. Of course, we've been down this road before with Floyd, so let's see if he mans up and announces this thing and makes it official...tonight at the NBA All-Star game preferred. I wonder how difficult it will be to scoop tickets to this.


I won't believe it will happen up until the point the ring the bell...
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Re: Boxing Thread

Postby real bucs fan » Sun Nov 29, 2015 11:18 am

Fury defeated Klitschko last night. That Fury/Wilder fight I've been excited for might end up being for some hardware.
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Re: Boxing Thread

Postby MJW » Sat Nov 19, 2016 4:24 am

Kovalev-Ward tonight will be worth the PPV, at least as far as these things go.
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Re: Boxing Thread

Postby PrimeMinister » Sat Nov 19, 2016 5:03 am

MJW wrote:Kovalev-Ward tonight will be worth the PPV, at least as far as these things go.


Who you got?
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Re: Boxing Thread

Postby MJW » Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:15 am

PrimeMinister wrote:
MJW wrote:Kovalev-Ward tonight will be worth the PPV, at least as far as these things go.


Who you got?


Ward on points. I think he'll get inside enough to control the tempo and scorecards. I like Kovalev's style, and I think he generates power from bad angles as well as any fighter out there at the moment. But I just don't think he's got the handspeed to keep Ward from working his way inside.

And I wouldn't be surprised if he knocks Ward out, either. Which is pretty much why I think it'll be a great fight.
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Re: Boxing Thread

Postby RedLeader » Sat Nov 19, 2016 10:36 am

Wow. 9 posts in almost two years?!




Boxing is DEAD.
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Re: Boxing Thread

Postby PrimeMinister » Sat Nov 19, 2016 12:27 pm

MJW wrote:
PrimeMinister wrote:
Who you got?


Ward on points. I think he'll get inside enough to control the tempo and scorecards. I like Kovalev's style, and I think he generates power from bad angles as well as any fighter out there at the moment. But I just don't think he's got the handspeed to keep Ward from working his way inside.

And I wouldn't be surprised if he knocks Ward out, either. Which is pretty much why I think it'll be a great fight.


I see it the same way. I think KO is the only path to victory for Kovelev. No other route, but if anyone can pull it off it's him. Ward is so damn slick that I have to believe he will pull it off by being smarter in the ring. I'm hoping for at least 9 great rounds. After that someone can get KTFO and I'll be happy.
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Re: Boxing Thread

Postby NYBF » Sun Nov 20, 2016 12:39 am

RedLeader wrote:
Boxing is DEAD.


And when people ask "why," you can point to this fight. In at least half the rounds, more time was spent holding and clenching and pushing than punching. Who the **** wants to sit around for an hour and watch that ****? At least in MMA when they're holding they're (usually) trying to make a move of some sort. You're not just tying up your opponent to grind the fight to a halt.

On another note, I'm no huge boxing or fighting fan, but it doesn't make sense to me that you beat the champ when you never even knocked him down. And on top of all that you got knocked down yourself.
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Re: Boxing Thread

Postby MJW » Sun Nov 20, 2016 2:32 am

PrimeMinister wrote:
MJW wrote:
Ward on points. I think he'll get inside enough to control the tempo and scorecards. I like Kovalev's style, and I think he generates power from bad angles as well as any fighter out there at the moment. But I just don't think he's got the handspeed to keep Ward from working his way inside.

And I wouldn't be surprised if he knocks Ward out, either. Which is pretty much why I think it'll be a great fight.


I see it the same way. I think KO is the only path to victory for Kovelev. No other route, but if anyone can pull it off it's him. Ward is so damn slick that I have to believe he will pull it off by being smarter in the ring. I'm hoping for at least 9 great rounds. After that someone can get KTFO and I'll be happy.


Looks like we're both right, though...yeah...what a fight.
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Re: Boxing Thread

Postby MJW » Sun Nov 20, 2016 2:35 am

NYBF wrote:
RedLeader wrote:
Boxing is DEAD.


And when people ask "why," you can point to this fight. In at least half the rounds, more time was spent holding and clenching and pushing than punching. Who the **** wants to sit around for an hour and watch that ****? At least in MMA when they're holding they're (usually) trying to make a move of some sort. You're not just tying up your opponent to grind the fight to a halt.

On another note, I'm no huge boxing or fighting fan, but it doesn't make sense to me that you beat the champ when you never even knocked him down. And on top of all that you got knocked down yourself.


I feel the same way when I see an MMA fight that ends in a submission, which it seems like too many of them do. At least you can't WIN a boxing match by tying up, right?

Now...is boxing dead? It's relative, I guess? It's not what it was from rise of Ali through the fall of Tyson, and it probably never will be again. But when we see the final PPV numbers on this fight, I think it'll be tough to declare it's "dead." It's obvious there are guys in the MMA who 30 years ago would have been dynamic boxing champions instead. But I still think there's a very strong niche for the sport and always will be.
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Re: Boxing Thread

Postby NYBF » Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:23 pm

MJW wrote:
I feel the same way when I see an MMA fight that ends in a submission, which it seems like too many of them do. At least you can't WIN a boxing match by tying up, right?



Ward won last night, didn't he?
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Re: Boxing Thread

Postby MJW » Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:22 am

Tyson Fury vs Deonte Wilder tonight. Going with the son to watch it in the movie theater. I'm rooting hard for Wilder to kick Fury's butt so we get Wilder-Joshua, and we can return the Heavyweight Title to 'Murica, where it damn well belongs. Regardless, I expect Wilder to win. He hits every bit as hard was Fury does (one of the few on the planet that's true of), and he's not going to be 40 pounds overweight.
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Re: Boxing Thread

Postby real bucs fan » Sun Dec 02, 2018 12:43 am

What a 12th round! Draw????

I waited 3 and a half years for that fight. Great fight, but I can’t agree with that draw. Fury getting up won that fight.
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Re: Boxing Thread

Postby Snake » Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:47 am

I feel obligated to watch the fights to respect the fighters but I’ve grown to not care about any decisions. Anyone who had that fight wide 4 rounds to Wilder partakes in mental gymnastics or is corrupt.

The second knockdown was the only real one and I don’t think it negates Fury having Wilder flummoxed the entire night throwing at an aberration and never connecting otherwise.
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Re: Boxing Thread

Postby PrimeMinister » Sun Dec 02, 2018 3:16 am

This is why I don’t watch boxing anymore. I grew up in a household with parents who are friends with Roy Jones Jr. My family LOVES the fight game. We would watch all the big fights plus the local fighters coming up. I just can’t take the crooked judging anymore. Watching my first MMA match 8 or 9 years ago was a game changer. The fight game is equally or more complex with better judging.

I know boxing has been corrupt forever, but this last decade just did it for me. I’ll check in when one of my guys has a big fight coming up (Spence), but otherwise I’ll stick to the octagon.

For the record this fight was great and Wilder has nothing to hold his head down for if he lost.
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Re: Boxing Thread

Postby PrimeMinister » Sun Dec 02, 2018 3:19 am

Snake wrote:I feel obligated to watch the fights to respect the fighters but I’ve grown to not care about any decisions. Anyone who had that fight wide 4 rounds to Wilder partakes in mental gymnastics or is corrupt.

The second knockdown was the only real one and I don’t think it negates Fury having Wilder flummoxed the entire night throwing at an aberration and never connecting otherwise.


I had it 115-111 Fury. Getting up from that 2nd knockdown to then hurt Wilder was a mini story of the fight. Wilder’s power was not enough tonight. He met a better boxer. He was only saved by the judges.
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Re: Boxing Thread

Postby StillCSG » Sun Dec 02, 2018 7:31 pm

Fury got robbed...

I had it 114-112
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Re: Boxing Thread

Postby terrytate » Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:27 pm

PrimeMinister wrote:
Snake wrote:I feel obligated to watch the fights to respect the fighters but I’ve grown to not care about any decisions. Anyone who had that fight wide 4 rounds to Wilder partakes in mental gymnastics or is corrupt.

The second knockdown was the only real one and I don’t think it negates Fury having Wilder flummoxed the entire night throwing at an aberration and never connecting otherwise.


I had it 115-111 Fury. Getting up from that 2nd knockdown to then hurt Wilder was a mini story of the fight. Wilder’s power was not enough tonight. He met a better boxer. He was only saved by the judges.



The good news is that we will likely see part 2 sooner rather than later. Joshua will get to pretend he is champ a little while longer.

I was pulling for Wilder (MURICA!) but I get a kick out of Tyson Fury too. He's like an intelligent Connor McGregor. He talks a hell of a game without having to act faux hard.
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Re: Boxing Thread

Postby PrimeMinister » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:58 am

terrytate wrote:
PrimeMinister wrote:
I had it 115-111 Fury. Getting up from that 2nd knockdown to then hurt Wilder was a mini story of the fight. Wilder’s power was not enough tonight. He met a better boxer. He was only saved by the judges.



The good news is that we will likely see part 2 sooner rather than later. Joshua will get to pretend he is champ a little while longer.

I was pulling for Wilder (MURICA!) but I get a kick out of Tyson Fury too. He's like an intelligent Connor McGregor. He talks a hell of a game without having to act faux hard.


That’s not great news. That’s the currupt money giving Wilder another chance to figure out Fury. I would have loved the idea of a rematch after a loss. This just feels like cheating.
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Re: Boxing Thread

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:31 am

Just watched the fight and I can see why people feel Fury won. Fury was the story of the fight the entire time. Could he beat Wilder, could he survive Wilder, How did he get up like that?

I was thoroughly entertained by Fury as a fighter and Wilder seemed more a part of the story than the story itself. But that knockdown in the 12th won Wilder that fight. You don't win fights by getting up. You win them by knocking the other guy down.

These guys could fight 100 times and split it 34-33-33.
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Re: Boxing Thread

Postby PrimeMinister » Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:53 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:Just watched the fight and I can see why people feel Fury won. Fury was the story of the fight the entire time. Could he beat Wilder, could he survive Wilder, How did he get up like that?

I was thoroughly entertained by Fury as a fighter and Wilder seemed more a part of the story than the story itself. But that knockdown in the 12th won Wilder that fight. You don't win fights by getting up. You win them by knocking the other guy down.

These guys could fight 100 times and split it 34-33-33.


It’s not mathematically possible for that knockdown to have won the fight if you know how boxing matches are scored. The 12th round was only a 10-8 round.
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Re: Boxing Thread

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:57 pm

PrimeMinister wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:Just watched the fight and I can see why people feel Fury won. Fury was the story of the fight the entire time. Could he beat Wilder, could he survive Wilder, How did he get up like that?

I was thoroughly entertained by Fury as a fighter and Wilder seemed more a part of the story than the story itself. But that knockdown in the 12th won Wilder that fight. You don't win fights by getting up. You win them by knocking the other guy down.

These guys could fight 100 times and split it 34-33-33.


It’s not mathematically possible for that knockdown to have won the fight if you know how boxing matches are scored. The 12th round was only a 10-8 round.

Don't get nasty. I know how they are scored and I know why there was a split decision. And if Fury didn't pop up like a zombie, we aren't having this discussion.

I give the fight to Wilder, but I get why others would think otherwise.
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Re: Boxing Thread

Postby PrimeMinister » Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:33 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
PrimeMinister wrote:
It’s not mathematically possible for that knockdown to have won the fight if you know how boxing matches are scored. The 12th round was only a 10-8 round.

Don't get nasty. I know how they are scored and I know why there was a split decision. And if Fury didn't pop up like a zombie, we aren't having this discussion.

I give the fight to Wilder, but I get why others would think otherwise.


My apologies. Watching the fight 3 times now I can only see Wilder winning rounds 2, 9 & 12. Both 9 & 12 were 10-8 rounds. That made the fight 115-111 Fury. How are you scoring it? I can’t see any other rounds that could reasonably be scored for Wilder.

Edit: As for the split decision that was my point...without curruption this can’t be reasonably scored as a split. Not if each round is scored individually. This should have been a unanimous Fury victory. I wanted the US ago win as much as anyone, but I grew up loving boxing and hate what curruption has done to it. That fight was fantastic, but it was marred by currupt judging.
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Re: Boxing Thread

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:48 pm

PrimeMinister wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:Don't get nasty. I know how they are scored and I know why there was a split decision. And if Fury didn't pop up like a zombie, we aren't having this discussion.

I give the fight to Wilder, but I get why others would think otherwise.


My apologies. Watching the fight 3 times now I can only see Wilder winning rounds 2, 9 & 12. Both 9 & 12 were 10-8 rounds. That made the fight 115-111 Fury. How are you scoring it? I can’t see any other rounds that could reasonably be scored for Wilder.

Edit: As for the split decision that was my point...without curruption this can’t be reasonably scored as a split. Not if each round is scored individually. This should have been a unanimous Fury victory. I wanted the US ago win as much as anyone, but I grew up loving boxing and hate what curruption has done to it. That fight was fantastic, but it was marred by currupt judging.

I don't think it was corrupt. There was going to be a rematch no matter what. Great sportsmanship by both men after the fight.
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Re: Boxing Thread

Postby PrimeMinister » Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:51 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
PrimeMinister wrote:
My apologies. Watching the fight 3 times now I can only see Wilder winning rounds 2, 9 & 12. Both 9 & 12 were 10-8 rounds. That made the fight 115-111 Fury. How are you scoring it? I can’t see any other rounds that could reasonably be scored for Wilder.

Edit: As for the split decision that was my point...without curruption this can’t be reasonably scored as a split. Not if each round is scored individually. This should have been a unanimous Fury victory. I wanted the US ago win as much as anyone, but I grew up loving boxing and hate what curruption has done to it. That fight was fantastic, but it was marred by currupt judging.

I don't think it was corrupt. There was going to be a rematch no matter what. Great sportsmanship by both men after the fight.


If it wasn’t corrupt judging which rounds did you see going to Wilder? One judge had it 115-111 Wilder which can only be explained by corruption.
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Re: Boxing Thread

Postby Snake » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:29 am

The one thing I liked about PRIDE (MMA org) is the judging took into consideration who was winning the general narrative of the fight at the end. Like, if this went on another 5 rounds, who would've likely won?

This isn't how boxing works. It's simply rounds won vs rounds lost. The second knockdown was a legit knockout but Fury must've been struck by lightning because he came to. But it was the only real moment that Wilder had. He was getting boxed up otherwise. Either the judges went back and drew up new cards after that knockdown or they have no idea what they were watching leading up to that point or they're compromised (see below). I didn't see much effective aggression from Wilder outside the knockdown.

By the way, Boxing is inherently corrupt but it's so ingrained that corrupt may be the wrong word.

http://theboxingtribune.com/2017/01/18/ ... le-secret/
A pool (of judges) is chosen by the lead promoter (Golden Boy) and then the commission selects three:

"A list of judges, pre-approved by the lead promoter, is taken by the sanctioning body to the commission (which is also often filled with buddies and old cronies of the promoter) and, from that list, three judges are appointed for the bout. The promoter is then responsible for not only providing payment to the judges, but in some states, required to provide for food, accommodations, and a small per diem to cover the judges’ expenses. In other words, the current system is one where the promoter is in control of virtually every aspect when it comes to selection and compensation of the officials."

The head promoter literally picks the judges and pays for their accommodations. LOL
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